[asxless]

We've all had one month (4 weeks to the hour in my case) to try out the commercial release of OS X. SO...
How is OS X on YOUR Mac(s)?

I have posted thread that we can use to collect feedback on Stability, Speed, Features and Peripheral Support on Apple's discusison forum http://discussions.info.apple.com/we...^[email protected]/7

The thread acts as an online survey for these basic topics:
Stability - OS X is rock solid
Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)
Stability - OS X panics regularly
Speed - OS X is fast and frisky
Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Speed - OS X is slow
Features - OS X has everything I need now
Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals
Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)

This is an opportunity for us to give the online community and Apple a collective reality check.

One last thing please post just the facts -- please do not use this thread for RANTS either for or against OS X.

asxless in iLand

Added 4/24/01 PM -- I just checked the Apple site and found that Apple forum staff had edited both the Title and Contents of my orginal post without any notification in the thread! While they did not alter anything I posted they did remove a this whole sentence. "This is an opportunity for us to give the online community and Apple a collective reality check.". The orginal thread was titiled "OS X - Month One Reality Check" and is now "OS X (Opionions)" Given the overall positive feedback one has to wonder --- What was wrong with "reality check"?

Given Apple's forum moderator's behavior, I think it best if you post you feedback in this fourm

[This message has been edited by asxless (edited 04-24-2001).]

[snodman]

Stability - Only panics are at boot with unsupported hardware peripherals. Once I discovered the workarounds no panics at all. Never while running software. 30 days out I vote for Rock Solid.
Speed - Especially with 10.0.1 - Frisky (and even with a PCI G4). It is every bit as fast in X as in 9.1, and classic is 90% as fast.
Features - X with Classic still lacks hardware support (CDR/RW/DVD) which is something I need.
Peripherals - Slowly coming around. Still no way to scan(for me), fax (for me), burn or watch DVD (for anybody).

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK) Very scary. I thought I lost everything. At first it wouldn't boot up again but it finally did.

Speed - OS X is slow
This on a brand new iMac with 256. Pretty pathetic.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
CDR doesn't work in classic unfortunately.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
My printer, CDR doesn't work. No drivers.

[chrisml]

Stability - the OS itself has been very stable and I've done things that would have killed 9.1. No panics. But IE and OW have both crashed a few times.
Speed - 10.0.1 is fast enough to work in but I want it to keep getting faster of course.
Features -Again I can work in it and there's not much I really need.
Peripherals - I only have a scanner and printer. The printer works fine (HP Deskjet 882C) but my uMax scanner doesn't work in OS X since Umax hasn't supported OS X yet.

[This message has been edited by chrisml (edited 04-21-2001).]

[honeydew]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
I've been using X full time since 1H39 and have never seen a kernel panic. Disclaimer: I don't use Classic.

Speed - OS X is slow
Sad but true. The 10.0.1 update, loads of RAM and a fast 7200 hard disk have sped things up considerably, but X is still very slow on my G4.

Features - OS X has everything I need now
Everything is there, it just needs some polish. The BSD layer gives me all the software I dreamed about in OS9.

Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals
My only third party peripheral is a Mitsubishi 900u display. No complaints here.

[MacBook]

Stability - OS X is rock solid.
I have encountered no systemwide problems. OmniWeb crashes much too often to use. IE is poor with downloads. I'm trying iCab right now but it seems to have problems with some sites. I can use Microsoft Office, Quicken, Adobe applications, 4th Dimentsion, Dreamweaver, etc. in Classic without problems.

Speed - OS X is slow.
Some applications are better than others, but the Finder and the general system is slow. I have a G4/450 with 512MB RAM

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need.
But I have to go back to 9.1 especially at work where the PCMCIA memory card is not supported (yet) in my PowerBook there.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s).
PCMCIA card in PowerBook. External CDRW. External ZIP drive.

[FunandBlindness]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Just amazing how confident I am on stability.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Could be faster but 10.0.1 is much better.

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
The more I use X the less I have any desire to go back to 9.1.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
Same old story. I need my 7060 Ricoh SCSI Ext CDRW drive and my Epson 900.

Looking forward to some cool X stuff on May 1st!

[tie]

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)

Speed - OS X is slow: deathly slow

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need: Kereberos mail client, doesn't work under Classic.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s): Canon S100 digital camera

[osiris]

Stability - OS X is rock solid (multi-tasking is productive and fun/no more memory tweaking AND only two hard crashes in a month)

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK) : let's not get into this now, it's really only tolerable.

Features - OS X even w/Classic is missing something I need (Full Open GL support is Classic Apps & Games)

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral (SONY DVMC DV Media Converter)

[Geobunny]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
I only had one crash/panic and even then it was only cos I was trying to use my external Lacie CDR drive as a reader. It worked in public beta, but not retail.

Speed - OS X is slow
But that's probabably because I'm running on a G3/266 beige with 160MB RAM.

Features - OS X has everything I need
Aside from peripherals below.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
I can't use my scanner (UMAX), Epson Stylus 600 or TV card.

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Just face it - some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue!

[This message has been edited by Geobunny (edited 04-22-2001).]

[gorgonzola]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals

Concerning the peripherals -- I'm not sure if some of them are supported are not, but everything I've tried has been supported.

I haven't tried my LaCie EKO 10 GB USB ext hard drive though (long name, I know). That's a key peripheral. Coming to think of it, I should try that out...

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[Calli46]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Not a single crash in a month, but a few apps crashed on me, Omniweb and from time to time iCab.

Speed - OS X is ... well, not so slow on my G4 DP 500, but much slower than 9.1
Anyway, who needs speed ? Isn't speed for PC users ? Maybe we should ask Steve...

Features - Would like a clue about all those folders in the dock... By the way, I'm getting used to that dock. Sadly, I have to go back to 9.1 for VPC...

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
My ATI XCLAIM VR Rage II doesnt work in the G4. So, bye bye 2e display with OS X. Same with Initio Miles UW SCSI adapter, but I still have hopes to get it to work, in the near future...


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[Apfhex]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
No panics, but other types of crashes attributed to the Internet Connect app, and sometimes the finder will just quit and relaunch for no reason.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
I can use it, but it should be a *lot* faster.

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
... but it's just easier to boot into 9.1 right now.

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
Everything works, but not as well as I'd like it to (Zip copies SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWLY, and I can't use all of the buttons on my MS Intellimouse).

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[dawho9]

Stability - OS X is rock solid.
Current uptime is 7 days (when I installed 10.0.1 update), before that, up since the day I installed.

Speed - OS X is slow
Can't expect much. Rev A. iMac, but I do have 256 megs of RAM

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
I'm not missing anything right now that I need to have other apps from Adobe.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
My floppy drive. It simply doesn't work. And NewerTech is out of business and I stand no chance.

dw9

[MrTomServo]

G4 MP 500 :: 512 :: 40 GB :: SCSI

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)
Only once or twice ... and not since I realized I should write it down when it happens ... d'oh!

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Yes, even on the dual processor behemoth. I find that when I boot into OS 9 to watch a DVD or something that even just browsing the hard disk is 10 times more responsive and just generally snappier. I just notice the difference when I change OSs.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
- DVD support
- Wacom drivers (though not Apple's fault ... darn you Wacom!)
- A stable Classic environment would be nice

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
Mentioned previously:
- DVD
- Wacom Tablet
- Palm III cradle

So there's my 18,900 Turkish Lira ...

Robert

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[This message has been edited by MrTomServo (edited 04-22-2001).]

[stevenhaddon]

Stability: Rock solid (no panics as yet). Mysterious pauses (see my posts in Usage & Support) but never without a recovery.

Speed: Slightly sluggish. However, on my G4 466 the difference between 128 megs RAM (three days ago; Classic slooooweeed everything down) and 384 megs (now: no problems!) was incredible. For all those who can afford it and haven't yet: buy RAM!

Features: Fine with classic. OS X would have everything I need now, if I got round to buying Appleworks 6 (Clarisworks 5 in Classic works well for now, though), and if there was a decent Aqua newsreader out (I tried Thoth, but its interface is so obscure and unnecessarily complex that I gave up in disgust after about 30 minutes' use).

Peripherals: OS X supports my Epson 740 and my Zip drive, so all is well on that front. Only slight niggle is I'd like a driver to program the buttons on my MacAlly iSweet mouse.

Steve

[rw]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
I haven't tried my LaCie EKO 10 GB USB ext hard drive though (long name, I know). That's a key peripheral. Coming to think of it, I should try that out...

Well ... ?

[rw]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
No kernel panics, but 2 or 3 times the whole system has hung and I had to use the old bent paper clip.

Speed - OS X is slow
... on an iMac 333, 288 MB RAM.

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
Well, almost. I need to drop into 9 for VPC once in a while. There will be an OS X version of that soon, I guess, but sheesh! As much money as I've spent on VPC and its upgrades, I think I could have bought a cheap PC.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral
Can't mount my external hard drive Any ideas?

[Edit: Can't believe I typed it's for its � you'd think I was a computer geek.]


[This message has been edited by rw (edited 04-24-2001).]

[madra [again!]]

Stability - OS X is rock solid

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals


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[Mac007]

Stability - rock solid except for one crash due to lightening and two due to bad version of Bushfire game. (very cool game by the way)

Speed - OS X is sometimes fast and sometimes slow. It's ok for now but looking forward to performance improvements. For now restarting occasionally seems to help.

Features - OS X needs function keys; needs ability to sleep, restart, shutdown, login, and logout using contextual menu; and needs ability to use scroll wheel in finder windows

Peripherals - OS X needs more support for scanners, digital cameras, graphics tablets

[This message has been edited by Mac007 (edited 04-22-2001).]

[Aldie G]

iMac DVSE Graphite, 400 mhz, 128 MB RAM

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Not a single kernal panic.. Running it for 2 weeks now.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
It should be faster (Try booting into OS 9.1 for the huge UI-speed-difference), but I can live with it.. for now..

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Can't scan and run Photoshop for some reason.. Maybe I should check my extensions though...

Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals
Everything works. (Epson printer, Lacie Firewire HD, zip disk)

Overall... I'm quite happy with X.


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[JLL]

Stability - OS X is rock solid

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Not so responsive on my 366MHz iBook SE (128MB) but much better on my 350MHz B&W G3 (320MB) and my 450MHz G4 (384MB).

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
I need VirtualPC

Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals

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JLL

[Bluebomber21XX]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals

I'm back in 9.1 indefintely. I won't use it until a better build comes out.

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http://bluebomber.darkmazda.com/

[nuckin futs]

stability - OS is rock solid. haven't had a kernel panic.
speed - OS X is sluggish. and i have 512MBs of RAM. 10.0.1 made it better, but still not like 9.1
Features - OS X even with classic is missing something i need
Peripherals - still doesn't support my SCSI scanner,SCSI CDRW, TVcard (ixMicro closed down), and digital camera (DC240 not supported). The only thing working for me is the printer and palm pilot hot synching (finally)

[memento]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK - barely)
Features - OS X has everything I need now
Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
my CDR, Scanner AND Printer (Alps MD-2010. awesome printer but will probably NEVER be supported under OSX. It's SCSI, too)

[pretnar]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Speed - OS X is slow
(StuffIt Expander takes time to launch and quits immediately after expanding - quite annoying with many archives)
OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
(some easy way to use Windows files and printers - Samba can be complicated to set up)
Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
(I only have an iBook with Pro Mouse and volume, brightness and function keys do not function as they should)

Matija Pretnar
iBook FW 366/320 MB

[malvolio]

Stability - Rock solid. One kernel panic, shortly after installing over a "dirty" 9.1 partition. None since reinstalling on initialized partition.
Speed - Sluggish but adequate. To expound on this subject, launching apps taked forever (in some cases), and window redraws aren't exactly snappy. But once an app is up and running, it ROCKS! This is on a 350Mhz slot-loading iMac w/ 320MB RAM.
Features - Got everything I need except for VPC.
Peripherals - Waiting on support for my Canon printer, Epson scanner and Iomega CD burner.


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[Ernie]

Stability - OS X is rock solid - I have found the release to be very stable. No OS crashes at all. However, a big annoyance is if the Finder is 'busy', like when connecting to a server for example, you cant do anything else in the Finder.

Speed - OS X is slow. - I'm on a Beige G3 333 w/ 320 MB of RAM. Sorry but OS X is dog slow. You get used to it after a while but going back to OS 9.1 or Win2000 is a wake up call to how slow this OS is.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need - Unfortunately, every single peice of OS X native SW I use is a 'preview' or 'beta' release. Really only 'need' classic for a couple of apps, Lotus Notes, mainly. Virtual PC is a big loss for me.

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals - No peripherals for me but if I had a CD Burner I'd be annoyed.

It's a work in progress. I know it will get better. I expect a major improvement by July. If that does'nt happen I'd start getting antsy.

Thanks!

[ginoledesma]

Stability - OS X is solid but I've experienced a few problems, namely some apps in perpetual loading, improper reboots/shutdowns, and application crashes.

Speed - OS X is sluggish, but tolerable. 128MB of RAM is barely enough. Window resizing is oh-so-slow. I would like a "minimalist" option for the UI. I do hope Apple offloads the graphics processing to the graphics card, though.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need. I'd like spring-loaded folders back please, as well as a "make all windows use Global Options" setting.

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals

[berglua]

Stability - OS X is rock solid

Not a single panic.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)

But let's face it, if it's not at least acceptable on a dual 533 w/384 megs of RAM, what WILL it run on?

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need

Java applets in a browser, browsers in general.

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripheral(s)

Printing is less than perfect, but works. Scanner (Canon 656u) works well in Classic. Logitech optical mouse is OK (eagerly awaiting USB Overdrive for X). And - of course - my CD-RW is still waiting...

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G4-533MP/384/40

"I make a living baby-sitting a LAN of ~50 Wintel machines. If my employer used Macs (like I do at home) I'd be out of a job!"

[This message has been edited by berglua (edited 04-23-2001).]

[schwa]

Dual G4/500, 320 MB RAM, Radeon AGP

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Had a couple "bad situations" that I rebooted from due to laziness and not wanting to deal with tracking down rogue processes. Plenty of crappy/unstable apps, though (IE5, I'm looking in your direction).

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
The UI is pretty and all, but dang it's slow. It's a complete dog on my Beige G3/300. Ugh.
Under the hood, though, there are lots of speed improvements over 9.1:
- anything done from the command line (file copying, etc.)
- Java
- networking (esp. noticeable when downloading large files; whoowee look at that throughput!)
... and the pre-emptive multitasking just makes the system *feel* faster and gets rid of those endless pauses you have to deal with in 9.1.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
VPC, and any game that plays in real time (which means most of the good, popular ones). And I can't believe how annoying this is- I can't set the memory size of classic apps.

Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
If I had proper drivers for my IntelliMouse, I'd be supremely happy.

All in all, I'm pretty happy as a power user. The fact that Apple gave us an OS we can endlessly tinker with and is converting us into UNIX geeks is pretty awesome. Whoever thought one machine could run both MS Word and the GIMP?

Wouldn't recommend it to my mom, though. Not yet.

[Scotttheking]

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)
I can kill the finder, but that is all, and only about 5 times.

Speed - OS X is slow
I've got a B&W G3-400 with 384MB of ram, and it just crawls. Not responsive at all. Filesharing uses 1/4 of the processor time.
I've got a dual monitor system to run lots at once, can't do that in X.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Alpha Centauri doesn't run, hotsync software won't work.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
Printer/scanner, Cannon C635.
Palm IIIc won't sync.
Don't know if this is X, but my on board firewire doesn't work, had to get a PCI card to use it.


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G3 400, 384, 12 + 75 GB
PM 8500 - 150, 48, 1 GB
PM 7100 - 66, 32, 700 MB
PM 6100 - 66, 40, 4.5 GB

[aderium_on_X]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Never seen a Solid Rock Mac as X!! Keeps going


Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
Very slow redrawing --- but cannot complain for a 9600 w/G3 400

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Can I play a CD????


Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
So far soo good

[BuonRotto]

OS X is rock solid Some apps have problem, but certainly far better than the crashes of Classic Mac OS.

OS X is sluggish The UI is maybe 1 step behind. Tolerable, certainly.

OS X has all the features I need I have a few ideas actually, but nothing big or that doesn't have new workflows.

OS X supports my key peripherals I don't have an OS X driver for my MicroTek scanner yet.

[Cooter]

Stability-
I've had two panics. One after installing 10.0.1 and trying out my USB hd. No go. Immediate panic. I guess I won't try that again. The other, I was treating it very badly. Bad operator, bad!

Speed-
Sucked when I had 192MB, now with 768, wowee, much friskier. Dare I say it actually smokes at many things. And I've only got a 450Cube.

Application support-
The Biggie for me- VPC doesn't work. Gotta have it soon. Hello, Connectix, time to charge me an exhorbitant amount for an upgrade.

Periphreal support-
No Photo 1270, which sux. No Canon S100 support, which sux. Haven't tried the CoolScan III yet, cuz I haven't bought a FireWire/SCSI adapter (which probably doesn't work under X either).

[This message has been edited by Cooter (edited 04-23-2001).]

[honeydew]

Current totals:

27 Stability - OS X is rock solid
05 Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)
00 Stability - OS X panics regularly

02 Speed - OS X is fast and frisky
20 Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
10 Speed - OS X is slow

04 Features - OS X has everything I need now
07 Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
21 Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need

04 Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals
11 Peripherals - OS X supports my key peripherals
17 Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)

had to back off running OS X due to freezes on Lombard Powerbook (acknowledged h/w problem, resolution being investigated)

[NeilCharter]

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK) ONCE - but I was putting a blank CD in my external CD-RW connected via an unsupported (although it generally works) adaptec 2906 card!

Speed - OS X is fast and frisky - for the most part - better with lots of memory. Some Classic apps sluggish and can crash. Nailed most of it down to Word (reinstalling Office and updating seemed to help).

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s) - which is of course CD-RW support - and possibly my Jaz drive. The external CD-RW does work with OS X cos it mounts CDs but Toast etc won't recognize the drive. But apart from that I can do most other things.

Neil

[northportguy]

Reliability - OS X is rock solid - Except that after Classic crashes, I often have to reboot entire system in order to be able to launch Classic again.

Speed - OS X is slooooooow.

Features - OS X and Classic offer all I need

Peripherals - Can't use printer (Epson SC800), can't use scanner (HP ScanJet IIcx), can't use compact flash card

[cwasko]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
'Rock' solid is a slight over statment. I have to reboot it at least once every 2-3 days (about the same as my OS9 machines). It seems as though AppleShare gets 'mad' and the only way to cure it is to reboot. I do alot of switching between my DSL and Cable, so this may have something to do with it.


Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
I have a B&W G3 350 w/ 768M RAM and Ultra2 SCSI. It's a dawg compared to OS9. I can deal with it though; however, I'd really like it to be quicker. By 'dawg' I mean the responsivness of the OS. Buttons are slow, things just don't happen as fast. I can out run OSX, but not OS9.


Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
If you consider 'GoLive' a feature, then yes... it is missing in OSX. It blows in Classic, so on my laptop I have to run OS9 full time. If GoLive was Carbonized, i would never leave OSX. I would still have to boot Classic for Entourage, Excel, and Word. But, unbeliveably, they run flawlessly in Classic.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
CD-R/RW support, DVD support. I had to replace my DVD drive in my B&W. I purchased a Toshiba SD-R1002, which is a DVD / CD / CD-R/RW combo drive. Works great in OS9 (except disk burner will not burn, however, it will create a disk image). But, obviously, there is no burn support in OSX. I also have a Palm V, which I can't seem to get to sync. I have it syncing with Entourage, and would like to maintain that when MS carbonizes these apps.

System - Powerbook G3 333 Lombard, 394 MB RAM, 4.5 GB OEM HD

Stability - OS X is rock solid

The OS has never crashed for me, but all of apps have at least once.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)

Occasional spinning disk, not as rippin fast as 9.1, but 10.0.1 helped and some things are faster than others

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need

Carbon Palm desktop & hotsync, Kodak camera transfer utility

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral

I use my windoze computer at work for my Palm stuff but it would be nice to use it in OS X (10.1?)
I use my iMac (rev B w/9.1) for my camera transfers

I added some speed last week by doing the following:
1) erase my OS X partition
2) clean reinstall of OS X, no dev tools
3) before adding anything else, install 10.0.1 update, allowing optimization/prebinding
4) add applications

I left my OS 9.1 partition alone, but with this reinstall my machine is WAY faster than it was under 10.0 or 10.0.1

Stability - OS X is rock solid
No problems. One kernel panic that didn't amount to anything. Since I started using OS X, my Classic environment has been whacked around a lot (to the point where I needed a clean reinstall to enable Office 2001 to operate - not good).

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
It's not fast, but I attribute this to the fact that I'm running a G3 (Pismo 400MHz w/192MB RAM). It seems that OS X is written to fly on the G4 platform (it probably uses AltiVec enhancements). It's not unusable, just sluggish.

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
I'd be much better off with native CD authoring support and more native apps (especially Office 2001 and Adobe Photoshop/ImageReady/GoLive). I find myself rebooting into 9.1 to do some key things. Also, battery management in OS X is dreadful - Iearned the hard way after leaving my machine asleep overnight to find my battery totally drained in the morning.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
As a Mac admin, it's crucial that I be able to back things up to CD-R for quick storage. Without native CD-R/CD-RW/DVD-RAM support, I'm severely limited in what I can do. Additionally, I'd love to be able to use my Umax scanner in OS X. My Epson Stylus Color 740 works fine, though.

Needless to say, I still use 9.1 a lot.

[jbmelby]

Stability - OS X is rock solid (after the 10.0.1 update)

Speed - OS X is fast and frisky; it flies on my DP 450 G4, even in Classic

Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need: specifically the ability to run Virtual PC and to fax

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s): I need to be able to use my CD burner

Other than these problems, OS X is terrific!

[This message has been edited by jbmelby (edited 04-24-2001).]

Stability - OS X is rock solid - it's better than linuxppc2000 on my wallstreet 233MHz.
Speed - OS X is slow - had the updater and changed the color as 32000, getting better but still very slow.
Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need.
Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral - MCL (Macintosh Common Lisp) doesn't work in classic mode yet. This is very bad for me.

OS X needs more speed optimising.! Also, I'd expect regular updater once per month.
Will it be possible?

agirael

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Seen one kernel panic across three boxes in the past month. Otherwise, rock solid. I can count the crashes on one hand. Mac OS does that many in one day, let alone a month.

Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
I've got oldish boxes, so I expected sluggishness.

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
There are too many missing features in OS X to count. Mostly the polish that MacOS aquired over 17 years, so I'm cutting OS X some slack for a while. Contextual menus is the biggest missing feature.

Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)
I have not yet been able to get printing to my Epson 740 to work under OSX. My Wacom Graphire tablet and Kensington trackball also are out of commision under OSX. No big whoop about the last two, but the printing has kept me in OS9 for most of the month on at least one of my boxes.

[ClaF]

Stability - OS X is rock solid
Speed - OS X is fast and frisky (G4/400 AGP 256MB RAM)
Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripherals (i.e. SCSI CD burner, Scanner and SCSI Zip - but blame it on Adaptec 2906...)

Stability: My Wallstreet 266 woke up this morning to its third panic but have nerver lost anything. Once I crashed hard from mail and ended up with the blinking question mark. Disk First Aid fixed it. It was the first time in all my years that Disk First Aid fixed anything.

Speed: Still sluggish compared to 9.1 but a few apps work faster in Classic than in 9.1. Office 2001 is the fastes thing I've ever seen!

Features: I miss spring loaded folders and dual error scroll bars.

Perifs: I can't print from Classic (no USB ports?) My digital is a serial (Old QuickTake 150), and I can't scan through my scuzzy.

[Riddler]

Stability - OS X has panicked (but it's OK)
I've had three panic's in 4 weeks but I have been playing with lots of stuff.

Speed - OS X is fast and frisky (in most areas)
I wanted to say this because I believe overall it is fast. Yes window re-sizing is slow but window dragging is turbo man! I think it just needs tweaking to get it right. I run 10.0.1 on a G4 Dual 533 Geforce2MX and a Pismo 400, there's a big difference in startup time but in most areas it's close. I believe RAM is what X likes.

Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
I'm so impressed with Classic, I just think it should be even more transparent, i.e an AQUA theme for the classic environment and a get rid of all the old OS9 stuff from the Apple menu, I worry that Classic will confuse new users.
As for OS X apps, well it has the promise of being the best OS available (I've used WinXP) OmniGroup are showing the way with OmniWeb and the game ports of FAKK2 and Oni etc If Microsoft could sort out it's apps, Sun get StarOffice ported, and the big gfx boys like Adobe and Macromedia get sorted we'll have one hell of an OS.
Also OS X teamed with the likes of Apache,PHP and mySQL is looking like a great WebServer platform, the whole UNIX under-the-hood things is a boon.

Peripherals - OS X supports all my peripherals
I've plugged in an Epson Stylus 740 (USB), Sony P1 digital camera (USB), Sony P5 DV camera (FireWire) and FireWire hard drive and all have worked out of the box.

Sorry I waffled :-)

Background:
G4/400 & iBook/466 (Both started with 192MB RAM, just upgraded G4 to over 400MB). Use OSX almost exclusively on my iBook and occasionally on my G4.

-->Stability - OS X is rock solid
Well, OK I did have one kernel panic on my iBook when waking and immediately plugging in my Logitech mouse. Other than that it's Great!

-->Speed - OS X is sluggish (but it's OK)
It's actually not bad for most things, but the Finder has very noticeable sluggishness with menus and such. IE 5 running in Classic is much faster than OS X versions of IE, Omni or iCab. This needs work.

-->Features - OS X and Classic has everything I need
Stress on *need*. There are deffinately things I'd like to see, but this is a good start.

-->Peripherals - OS X does not support a critical peripheral
Although it *doesn't* support my CD-RW, DVD-ROM or Ethernet connected DeskJet895, it's only the printer that I'd call *key*. Since it's connected via a jetdirect box I can't use it yet under X. I could reconnect the long USB cable if I really needed it, but I think this is more HP's fault than Apple's.

[KidRed]

Stability - OS X is rock solid (except for IE preview ))
Speed - OS X is fast and frisky (G4/450 AGP 512MB RAM)
Features - OS X even w/ Classic is missing something I need
Peripherals- OS X does not support a critical peripheral(s)-
My Microsoft Optical mouse doen't work in Classic, OSX finder deosn't support it, my Epson 700 photo with serial/usb converter doesn't work.

Bottom line, if I could print and use my 2 wheel scroll mouse, OSX would easily be a full time OS for me, til then, I am just more productive in OS 9.0.4 (2nd partion because 9.1 has a Dreamweaver bug )

[This message has been edited by KidRed (edited 04-24-2001).]