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greenamp · Jul 27, 2006, 06:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbssOdruPQ

black bear theory · Jul 27, 2006, 07:22 PM

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Arju · Jul 27, 2006, 07:38 PM

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::maroma:: · Jul 27, 2006, 07:49 PM

I agree with the previous 2 posters.

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I'm speechless. That was incredibly hard audio to listen to. I just can't find any other words.

freudling · Jul 27, 2006, 08:08 PM

That really sucks. I feel for his family. But, we must accept these things. Life is not a happy place for all of us.

iREZ · Jul 27, 2006, 08:16 PM

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His Dudeness · Jul 27, 2006, 08:42 PM

I think I just felt my heart stop.

His Dudeness · Jul 27, 2006, 09:00 PM

And here is something from Penn and Teller:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1158523&q=9-11

Warning: hilarious.

KeriVit · Jul 27, 2006, 09:21 PM

Well that sucked. But we need to hear it to give him credit.

Dark Helmet · Jul 27, 2006, 10:13 PM

Ya the ending is horrible.

Dark Helmet · Jul 27, 2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by His Dudeness

And here is something from Penn and Teller:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1158523&q=9-11

Warning: hilarious.

Honestly, I find most of their stories bullshit.

They did this story on bottled water and it was so one sided to the point of stupidity.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 27, 2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Honestly, I find most of their stories bullshit.

They did this story on bottled water and it was so one sided to the point of stupidity.

They are objective, but openly biased. And I love them for it.

zerroeffect · Jul 27, 2006, 10:21 PM

It was bad... until the last few seconds. Then, it was the worst. It actually brought tears to my eyes, like the original footage that day.

How can someone post that and why did I watch it?

amsalpemkcus · Jul 27, 2006, 10:48 PM

The silence at the end got me.

That cry in the final moment will echo until justice is served. Hopefully this planet will become a better place in the process.

KeriVit · Jul 27, 2006, 10:49 PM

F*CK! I don't like that.

Dark Helmet · Jul 27, 2006, 10:58 PM

There is also another one with a woman that is pretty sad also. I won't link to it.

Rumor · Jul 27, 2006, 11:18 PM

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Rumor · Jul 27, 2006, 11:20 PM

I'm going to go take multiple shots of Bushmills now. Thanks.

Mastrap · Jul 27, 2006, 11:28 PM

The thing that always gets me is that these were people like us. Not soldiers who knew they were in danger. They left home in the morning expecting nothing more exciting than another day at work, only they never returned. Awful.

Ghoser777 · Jul 27, 2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

The thing that always gets me is that these were people like us. Not soldiers who knew they were in danger. They left home in the morning expecting nothing more exciting than another day at work, only they never returned. Awful.

Another painful reminder that nothing in life is guaranteed - I had trouble making it to the end of the clip.

nforcer · Jul 28, 2006, 03:46 AM

Terrible.

nredman · Jul 28, 2006, 05:37 AM

based on the comments above i think i will skip this

B Gallagher · Jul 28, 2006, 05:38 AM

Wow.

memory-minus · Jul 28, 2006, 07:23 AM

I did some quick googling but was unable to get much more information about the link. Where did this recording come from? Is it public record? Did his next-of-kin authorize its release or what? Personally I would not want my final moments broadcasted over the Internet, on YouTube, while a video of the cause of my demise plays. I think this is in very, very poor taste. What is gained by broadcasting this?

Gossamer · Jul 28, 2006, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Honestly, I find most of their stories bullshit.

They did this story on bottled water and it was so one sided to the point of stupidity.

So true! They start their shows with a presupposition and find people who support what they're saying.

f1000 · Jul 28, 2006, 09:39 AM

What is this, some kind of viral marketing campaign for the new 9/11 movies?

davesimondotcom · Jul 28, 2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

The thing that always gets me is that these were people like us. Not soldiers who knew they were in danger. They left home in the morning expecting nothing more exciting than another day at work, only they never returned. Awful.

Exactly. We can all put ourselves in their shoes. Absolutely the saddest day that I can remember.

People remember where they were and what they were doing when JFK was killed, man walked on the moon, the Challenger blew up and 9/11.

Of those, only one was a story about "normal" people, not elected officials or astronauts.

Personally, I remember almost everything I did that day, from the moment I saw smoke coming out of the first tower hit while I was at the gym, to waiting for my wife as she bought bagels and hearing the local radio guy say that his guest was not going to be on the air because his wife was in the towers, to calling my parents on my way to work just to tell them that I love them, to checking the net for information and CNN, FoxNews, Drudge, ABC, NBC, etc. all having their sites fail, to watching TV and seeing the towers crumble, to being at home that night, not wanting to go to bed, wishing I was more like my pets and I didn't know what happened that day.

It was shocking, frustrating, maddening and, most of all, sad.

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

So true! They start their shows with a presupposition and find people who support what they're saying.

Except for the Abstinence one. That was bang on.

Ulrich Kinbote · 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by His Dudeness

And here is something from Penn and Teller: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1158523&q=9-11
Warning: hilarious.

1. Just because a theory has bad representatives does not mean the theory is bad. Penn and Teller should stick to magic. Their crude ad hominem argument was an embarrassment.

2. Just because a theory is absurd if developed to its most extreme logical consequences does not mean every related possibility is invalid.

3. It is likely that the government is creating and circulating absurd variations of the popular -- and possibly correct -- conspiracy theories so that people will dismiss the possibility that 9/11 was engineered to justify and expedite a military campaign in the Middle East.

4. The men representing this theory are a joke (see point 3), however THERE IS A PRECEDENT! It is called Operation Northwood.

READ THIS!>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ulrich Kinbote

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

To me that is even scarier than 9/11.

Gossamer · Jul 28, 2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Except for the Abstinence one. That was bang on.

Not really. They didn't find a variety of people that voiced a variety of opinions, they found two abstinence promoters. And they spent about half the episode promoting masturbation, which no one said was bad, so it was a moot point.

His Dudeness · Jul 28, 2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

To me that is even scarier than 9/11.

Holy crap, that's all the proof we need. Bush killed all those people on 9-11!!!!!

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by His Dudeness

Holy crap, that's all the proof we need. Bush killed all those people on 9-11!!!!!

When did I ever suggest that?

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 11:46 AM

Behold, such things.....................

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Robert

Gossamer · Jul 28, 2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Behold, such things.....................

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Robert

What?

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

Exactly. We can all put ourselves in their shoes. Absolutely the saddest day that I can remember.

People remember where they were and what they were doing when JFK was killed, man walked on the moon, the Challenger blew up and 9/11.

Of those, only one was a story about "normal" people, not elected officials or astronauts.

Personally, I remember almost everything I did that day, from the moment I saw smoke coming out of the first tower hit while I was at the gym, to waiting for my wife as she bought bagels and hearing the local radio guy say that his guest was not going to be on the air because his wife was in the towers, to calling my parents on my way to work just to tell them that I love them, to checking the net for information and CNN, FoxNews, Drudge, ABC, NBC, etc. all having their sites fail, to watching TV and seeing the towers crumble, to being at home that night, not wanting to go to bed, wishing I was more like my pets and I didn't know what happened that day.

It was shocking, frustrating, maddening and, most of all, sad.

Excellent dissertation.

I am 54, and was around for all those things and Challenger was a especially hard for me:

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/resnik.html

I am here:

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/

And had this event (911) been 1941, we would have evoked a much more different response than what we are engaged with now, acording to my daddy before he passed and I agree fully.

As I beheld this thing, in utter shock, as did so many, I immediately fomented the thought of the global Abolition of the Nation Islam and all its shards, for by this are we all lesser, to allow elements of our own species based on skilted belief, to do this sort of thing to others and us.

Islam and its tenants should be erased from the planet, and no matter the propaganda, it is a belief system based on utter hate, subjugation of women and children, and is the darkest of all dark that humanity has produced for some centuries, right there along with the crusades, The Inquisition, et, al.

In the end there should be an Abolition executed with extreme prejudice. And it should be very great.

Jesus wept.

Robert

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

What?

911

Ulrich Kinbote · Jul 28, 2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by His Dudeness

Holy crap, that's all the proof we need. Bush killed all those people on 9-11!!!!!

Must I repeat point 2?

I must:

2. Just because a theory is absurd if developed to its most extreme logical consequences does not mean every related possibility is invalid.

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Islam and its tenants should be erased from the planet, and no matter the propaganda, it is a belief system based on utter hate, subjugation of women and children, and is the darkest of all dark that humanity has produced for some centuries, right there along with the crusades, The Inquisition, et, al.

In the end there should be an Abolition executed with extreme prejudice. And it should be very great.

Jesus wept.

Robert

Ok lets keep Genocide to the PL lounge where it is acceptable.

And what is with your crap "Jesus wept" comment at the end? Do you think he will cheer if you carry out your genocide?

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

What?

He is a ****ing idiot that is what.

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

He is a ****ing idiot that is what.

Perhaps shave the 'mustache', get a 1000 gallon salt water enema, and back away cautionsly from the prozac.

Thereby calm the vitriol.

Just a thought.

Robert

Ulrich Kinbote · Jul 28, 2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Islam and its tenants should be erased from the planet, and no matter the propaganda, it is a belief system based on utter hate, subjugation of women and children, and is the darkest of all dark that humanity has produced for some centuries, right there along with the crusades, The Inquisition, et, al.

In the end there should be an Abolition executed with extreme prejudice. And it should be very great.

You are not talking about Islam. You are talking about al Qaeda.

Islam is now the professed faith of nearly a billion people worldwide. You condemn a billion people based on the actions of a tiny minority of fanatics?

You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Perhaps shave the 'mustache', get a 1000 gallon salt water enema, and back away cautionsly from the prozac.

Thereby calm the vitriol.

Just a thought.

Robert

Stop, you're making Jesus weep.

You sounds like the Anti-christ.

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Stop, you're making Jesus weep.

You sounds like the Anti-christ.

It's alright. That pesky and deep cross dressing phase you've slipped into can be devastating. A little heroin along with some other meds will fix it.

Too, did two tours in Cambodia going aginst Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, and have seen first hand the notion of forced belief on others (4,000,000 killed and or missing). Islam is a plague and must be removed from the planet's biomic social structure, every trace, till not a whisper pigs ear remains. An Abolition.

It is in an opinion, still holds, not subject to debate in my mind, and global abolition of nation Islam is plain 'ol common sense. And, like an azzhole, opinions are the same: everyone has one. As do you and I and all the others that traffic here with a keyboard.

Islam: Act like an outlaw, die like one.

Peace.

Robert

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

It's alright. That pesky and deep cross dressing phase you've slipped into can be devastating. A little heroin along with some other meds will fix it.Peace.

Robert

What in the world is wrong with you? Are you on meds?

And I love the "Peace" comment at the end when you preach genocide.

Gossamer · Jul 28, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Islam and its tenants should be erased from the planet, and no matter the propaganda, it is a belief system based on utter hate, subjugation of women and children, and is the darkest of all dark that humanity has produced for some centuries, right there along with the crusades, The Inquisition, et, al.

By your reasoning, Christianity/Catholocism should have been wiped out at the time of the Crusades/Inquisition.

Ulrich Kinbote · Jul 28, 2006, 01:12 PM

What Robert A.M. Stephens has said reminds me of the Howard Stern Show on the morning of 9/11.

The jokes came to an abrupt halt when the second plane hit, and a terrorist plot was hit on right away. Suddenly a caller -- absolutely hysterical -- phoned in and suggested that: "We bomb the fu*k out of those stupid towel-heads.. women, babies... everyone." And Howard Stern said (his voice was shaking): "Yeah, fu*k their babies. I don't give a fu*k about their babies."

Howard Stern (I know) will regret saying this. It was way beyond rough justice. It was an "Acute Stress Reaction."

You cannot afford to be moral when you feel your life is in danger. You cannot think when your adrenal glands are going ballistic. Morality is a higher function. At times like that the animal takes over and survival comes first.

Robert A.M. Stephens, maybe your comments are just a hangover from the hysteria of that morning. But on some level, I think you must realise that what you are suggesting is monstrous. An Auschwitz SS Officer, the members of the Hutu militia that attacked Tutsi men, women and children with a machetes , and the pilots of those airplanes on that morning did not suffer from a congenital defficiency of conscience. Like you, Robert A.M. Stephens, they all began to believe in something so unreflectingly they were prepared to subordinate their moral intuition to it.

To suggest killing nearly a billion human beings is a grave spiritual failure that nothing can justify.

Either you rise above this, or you fail as a human being. You become a small part of a history of ignorance, hatred, and cruelty.

Robert A.M. Stephens · Jul 28, 2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

What in the world is wrong with you? Are you on meds?

And I love the "Peace" comment at the end when you preach genocide.

Re-read. You are illiterate. Calm and re-read my post again and think before typing a reply.

The Abolition of Islam: "kill 'em all, let God sort it out. God will know His own." Kublai Khan, 1220, before the battle of Karakorum.

Robert

Landos Mustache · Jul 28, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Robert A.M. Stephens

Re-read. You are illiterate. Calm and re-read my post again and think before typing a reply.

The Abolition of Islam: "kill 'em all, let God sort it out. God will know His own." Kublai Khan, 1220, before the battle of Karakorum.

Robert

Idiot.

::maroma:: · Jul 28, 2006, 01:59 PM

Wow, this Robert character sounds a lot like a certain German dictator who really didn't care for other races and religions.

"Islam is a plague and must be removed from the planet's biomic social structure, every trace, till not a whisper pigs ear remains. An Abolition."

What exactly could you possibly mean by this other than pure genocide? Therefore, you are no better than those who committed those acts on 9/11. Do you realize how hypocritical your statements are?

Based on your statements in this thread, I can only come to the conclusion that you are a spiteful and hateful human being. Regardless of what you have experienced in your life, it does not excuse your apparent beliefs of genocide in the name of Christianity or whatever religion you claim as your soapbox.

You want to eliminate an entire group of people based on a religious belief? You sir are a monster.