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skyman · Jun 24, 2003, 09:57 PM

All the new features of Panther are nice but will Panther be faster than JAG?

Anyone have any insight on this?

Thanks!

Guy Incognito 2 · Jun 24, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by skyman:
All the new features of Panther are nice but will Panther be faster than JAG?

Anyone have any insight on this?

Thanks!

The consensus so far has been...Panther is faster than Jag.

tobster · Jun 24, 2003, 10:23 PM

On a PowerBook 667 DVI w/ 512 RAM I can confirm it is. User switching and Expos� are just as smooth as at the Keynote.

- tobs

DrSpookles · Jun 24, 2003, 11:31 PM

That's great news. I can't wait for Panther.

pahroza · Jun 24, 2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by skyman:
All the new features of Panther are nice but will Panther be faster than JAG?

Anyone have any insight on this?

Thanks!

Does a bear 5hi+ in the woods ?

ae86_16v · Jun 25, 2003, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by tobster:
On a PowerBook 667 DVI w/ 512 RAM I can confirm it is. User switching and Expos� are just as smooth as at the Keynote.

- tobs

Wow, even on a older machine huh? I have a G4/800 powerbook and I can't wait. thanks.

Cipher13 · Jun 25, 2003, 05:41 AM

How about on a non-QE machine?

Logic · Jun 25, 2003, 05:44 AM

Do you guys think that it is any chance I will be able to run panther on my iMac G3 500MHz, with 384 MB RAM? Or is it time to buy a powerbook?

Eriamjh · Jun 25, 2003, 07:30 AM

I think a good question is, "What systems will Panther support?" Will it run on beige G3s? What systems will be dropped?

Will it provide any benefit to my 233MHz iMac? Will non-quartz extreme machines see a benefit? If so then bring it on.

I am impressed with OSX. Slammed for being a few years late (wasn't it supposed to come out in 98?) it has been updated three times in 3 years (10.1, 10.2, and 10.3). If Apple keeps up this pace, and IBM delivers the clock speed the G5s deserve, we WILL have machines that best PCs in many ways.

galarneau · Jun 25, 2003, 08:34 AM

I'm supposed to be getting a copy tomorrow from a 'friend', and will install it on my Pismo 400. I'm pretty happy with the speed on 10.2.6, so I have my fingers crossed that it won't run any slower.

Of course, when they take out all that debug code, it should really scream

Scifience · Jun 25, 2003, 08:34 AM

I am having my doubts as to if Panther will even run on a non QE machine. Since a few of the major new features (Expose, Pixlet, etc.) require QE to work, maybe the whole OS does?

Finrock · Jun 25, 2003, 08:59 AM

It DOES run on a non-QE machine, and runs well! I installed it on a DP450/512/rage128 and it is very, very fast.

I later took that hard drive and put it in a DP867 and it booted like a champ. In fact, QE makes the improvement from 10.2 that much more dramatic.

stew · Jun 25, 2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Scifience:
Since a few of the major new features (Expose, Pixlet, etc.) require QE to work, maybe the whole OS does?

Why would Pixlet require QuartzGL? It's just a video codec.

Also, currently nothing needs QuartzGL. An application doesn't need know if your computer runs QuartzGL or not, it should just make calls to the Quartz API and OS X will make either the CPU or the GPU handle that. That is the whole point of Quartz in the first place.

The Placid Casual · Jun 25, 2003, 09:47 AM

I'm on an iBook 466SE with the RAM maxed out for the moment, since I sold my Powermac and 12" PB in anticipation of a G5...

The thing is, for email, web browsing, even some very minor graphics stuff, it runs Jaguar flawlessly! It feels somehow more'solid' than the PB did... no crashes, and very very little hard drive thrashing. Since I set it up this morning, I began to wonnder why I bought the Powerbook anyway! Hmmm.

I will be really, really pissed if 10.3 won't run on, it as it is a great little machine...

I guess time will tell...

[APi]TheMan · Jun 25, 2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by galarneau:
I'm supposed to be getting a copy tomorrow from a 'friend', and will install it on my Pismo 400. I'm pretty happy with the speed on 10.2.6, so I have my fingers crossed that it won't run any slower.

Of course, when they take out all that debug code, it should really scream

Or get a 900 mhz upgrade for that lappy.

I have a Pismo 400 too, but last week I upgraded it to a 900mhz G3 ala PowerLogix's BlueChip upgrade. I certainly hope Panther is a bit snappier on my box now...

brainchild2b · Jun 25, 2003, 12:13 PM

Panther is way faster than jaguar. Panther is the OS 9 of tomorrow. It's that fast.

qnxde · Jun 25, 2003, 12:16 PM

I'm VERY happy with Panther. The speed jump for me has been bigger than from 10.0 -> 10.1. It's amazing. This is the fastest OS I have ever used. Mail opens in 1/2 a bounce, iTunes doesn't bounce at all. Scrolling as smooth as silk. Flawless multitasking. DAMN snappy. They must have done more with QuartzGL because I've never used an OS this snappy in my entire life, and that includes win2k on an athlon 1.4ghz (and I consider win2k to be pretty snappy usually).

Colour me impressed.

12" PowerBook 867, 640Mb.

btw, this install was an upgrade from 10.2, not a clean install.

galarneau · Jun 25, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
Panther is way faster than jaguar. Panther is the OS 9 of tomorrow. It's that fast.

What hardware have you tested it on to be able to say this?

brainchild2b · Jun 25, 2003, 12:38 PM

600mhz g4 (b&w tower with g4 upgrade) and rage 128

896mb of ram. it flies

[APi]TheMan · Jun 25, 2003, 01:20 PM

I only hope I will experience such returns with my non-Quartz Extreme video card... Doh. The 900 mhz G3 and 768 RAM should help... but gah, I'm worried about the 8meg video bottleneck.

Originally posted by brainchild2b:

Panther is way faster than jaguar. Panther is the OS 9 of tomorrow. It's that fast.

Ah, and this is only a preview so far. I am very excited for future versions/revisions of the OS in the future, especially the 10.3 final.

tsheley · Jun 25, 2003, 01:20 PM

I just hope that it will work well on my 450mhz G4 Cube and my 800mhz iBook. How does Expose work without Quartz Extreme. Or does it not work at all?

Thanks

waffffffle · Jun 25, 2003, 01:40 PM

Has anyone tried it on a G3 machine yet? I want to know what to expect on my Pismo and iBook. I am considering buying a new Mac and I want to know if Panther will give either of my 'books new life.

benb · Jun 25, 2003, 02:13 PM

All you people need to cut it out. Here I am at work, just thinking about my copy that should be "arriving" today. All I want is to go home and install it! Bah!

2 more hours to go!

gekko85 · Jun 25, 2003, 04:01 PM

The "Read before you Install" file says the following:

Supported computers:

gekko85 · Jun 25, 2003, 04:02 PM

I don't know why it all didn't show up last post...

The "Read before you Install" file says the following:

Supported computers:
PowerMac G4
PowerMac G3 (Blue & White)
PowerBook G4
PowerBook G3 with built-in USB
iMac and eMac
iBook

System requirements:
at least 128MB of RAM
A built-in display or display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
At least 2GB of disk space avaliable, or 3.5 if you install the developer tools

cacarr1 · Jun 25, 2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by tsheley:
I just hope that it will work well on my 450mhz G4 Cube and my 800mhz iBook. How does Expose work without Quartz Extreme. Or does it not work at all?

Thanks

Expose will run just fine on your machines. It is very fast on mine.
I don't have the requisite 32MB video memory for Quartz Extreme...so i am missing some of the cooler stuff offered (e.g., fast user switching is fast, just no animated 3D graphics).

JLFanboy · Jun 25, 2003, 04:07 PM

There's been all of this talk of Expose not being supported on non-QE enabled machines, and it's starting to worry me.

Can anyone confirm that Expose works on slower machines? I had assumed that it would work, but simply be a little less refined (like the QE Genie effect vs. the regular Genie effect).

Any insight?

edit: oh, wouldja lookit that.

JLL · Jun 25, 2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by JLFanboy:
There's been all of this talk of Expose not being supported on non-QE enabled machines, and it's starting to worry me.

Where? Everyone has stated that it works fine.

brainchild2b · Jun 25, 2003, 04:49 PM

Expose works great even without Quartz Extreme.

cacarr1 · Jun 25, 2003, 06:02 PM

Actually...I'm not sure about my previous post.
the "All Windows" feature in Expose doesn't shrink and let me view all windows (from all open apps). It does this kind of weird thing where it darkens the background and brings up little "shadows" with the apps name depending on where your cursor is.
I know that's a terrible description...

The "application window" does work as it should however...so does "desktop".

So at this point...it's hard to say if this is a QE limitation or just because this is so new.

Moose · Jun 25, 2003, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Actually...I'm not sure about my previous post.
the "All Windows" feature in Expose doesn't shrink and let me view all windows (from all open apps). It does this kind of weird thing where it darkens the background and brings up little "shadows" with the apps name depending on where your cursor is.
I know that's a terrible description...

The "application window" does work as it should however...so does "desktop".

So at this point...it's hard to say if this is a QE limitation or just because this is so new.

http://bugreporter.apple.com/

You are using Panther legitimately, aren't you?

wanderlust · 06:30 PM

Three months...

wanderlust · 06:34 PM

Originally posted by skyman:
All the new features of Panther are nice but will Panther be faster than JAG?

Anyone have any insight on this?

Thanks!

That's not nearly fast enough.

Finrock · Jun 26, 2003, 09:39 AM

Expos� works just fine on a non-QE machine. In fact, I really haven't been able to tell much of a difference between a QE and an non-QE machine with expose.

I'm gonna try it on my 17" PowerBook this afternoon, but I assume it will be fast. Very fast.

-Finrock