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Prince Andrew in “I had no idea that my friend, a convicted paedophile, was a paedophile”shock
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Someone should stop letting President Dementia scribble on NOAA charts with sharpie.
     
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NOAA staff threatened with firing for contradicting the "president"
     
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Sep 14, 2019, 08:38 PM
 
Radio 4 presenter (our equivalent of your NPR) couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic Trump has been over this whole debacle.
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Sep 24, 2019, 05:01 PM
 
Some small corner of hell got a little frosty today. McConnell has fast-tracked a resolution calling for the Ukraine whistleblower documents to be released to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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Oct 12, 2019, 06:30 PM
 
Interior Department set to begin privatizing National Park assets and services. Campgrounds look to be the first service handed over to corporate management. I always felt Yosemite or Yellowstone really need a KOA.
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that is bad. Not that koa itself is bad, but privatizing public lands is bad.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
I want to tease the interesting questions out of this article.

What’s the ethical reaction to a design flaw if one believes something shouldn’t have been built in the first place?

Is it better for Border Patrol to chase people away before they get over, or let them get over so they can be caught (and also have a chance of escape)?

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New White House Halloween Party Game: Build that Wall!
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On next weeks episode of 'America down the toilet', the president founds The Trump Youth and helps train the first new 5-year-old recruits to stab Mexicans on the White House lawn....
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Anyone have a guess how quickly Trump will pardon Stone? Or, if he will? As I understand it, if Stone accepts a pardon, he is admitting guilt and no longer has any immunity from testifying to Congress.
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Nov 27, 2019, 05:27 PM
 
Apparently, in trade talks with the British government, the Trump administration has been insisting the UK sell-off the NHS. And the tories appear to be ok with it.
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Nov 27, 2019, 06:03 PM
 
Looks like the UK would have to become a US vassal as the price of a US trade deal after Brexit.
He [Corbyn] said that as well as healthcare, the documents showed the talks had covered areas like food safety, workers' rights and gender discrimination where the US was seeking to tear down UK regulatory barriers.

And they show an absolute refusal from Washington for climate change to be mentioned in any final deal, he said.
Oh, and Trump wants the UK to lengthen drug patents, so we can charge them out the wazoo, just like we do here. Corporate Sovereignty is mentioned too - gotta let US corporations sue the UK government, if legal changes cost them profits.

Maybe the UK should become the 51st state. They'd get legal rights that way, not just the costs.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Maybe the UK should become the 51st state. They'd get legal rights that way, not just the costs.
And give them the right to vote? It’d be much smarter to make them a territory, you wouldn’t want those “socialist” ideals like proper health care to become normalized. Works great for Puerto Rico!
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
It’d be much smarter to make them a territory...
Dare we say...a colony???
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Nov 28, 2019, 05:54 AM
 
Pssst, I thought we agreed to not use the C-word any longer … 
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Nov 28, 2019, 03:53 PM
 
Is this getting any notice in the UK? We get BBC World News on our local NPR station and, while they spoke at length about the election in-general, there was no mention of this. Seems like “The tories have an agreement with Trump to sell-off the NHS” would be something worth at least a mention.
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Nov 28, 2019, 04:24 PM
 
It's dropped off the front page of The Guardian too, and that's on the UK edition.

If the Brits really don't mind, then I wouldn't do a Trump and screw them over for healthcare, drug prices, and corporate lawsuits. That makes long-term enemies. Why not do something positive instead, like supporting normal English spellings? Something other than trying to screw them out of all their money.
     
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Nov 28, 2019, 05:41 PM
 
The whole idea seems a bit, I dunno... fanciful?

Speaking of, I like the idea of making the UK a territory and giving them guns.
     
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Awesome things the UK would get:

Cheaper gas
Free TV
Plutocrats instead of aristocrats
Fahrenheit (you’ll thank me for this one)
Greener money
Easier right turns
Better food... and lots of it
Football with brain injuries
Naval superiority
Apple products on launch day
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Awesome things the UK would get:

Cheaper gas - Doubt it
Free TV - We have some already
Plutocrats instead of aristocrats - We have both already
Fahrenheit (you’ll thank me for this one) - We won't
Greener money - In colour only
Easier right turns - This is not something we struggle with
Better food... and lots of it - I doubt this is true any more. We certainly have higher standards
Football with brain injuries - You need the brain injuries to sit through all the ads.
Naval superiority - Been there, done that.
Apple products on launch day - We usually have this.
Interstates - Why would we want these?
Turns out anything you write inside the quote tags doesn't count towards your post length.
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At least you tried with the football one.
     
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Dec 1, 2019, 08:13 AM
 
Left turns forever!?
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Left turns forever!?
That's called a roundabout.
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
That's called a roundabout.
     
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Roundabouts are awesome. Except when you start incepting them.

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The "magic roundabout". The English love their roundabouts, but this one apparently has them split - traffic moves too slowly to cause any accidents, but throughput is poor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
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The bedroom communities along the north side of Indianapolis have gone roundabout-insane over the past several years, seemingly bent on replacing every intersection with a roundabout. There are some stretches of roads where there are 4 roundabouts within a mile of road. They're even building (or modifying) bridges over main arteries with roundabouts on either end of the bridge, connecting the cross-street with the artery.

There's one such bridge where, before the roundabouts were added, rush-hour traffic would back-up down the exit ramp from the artery to the cross-street. After adding the roundabouts, the rush-hour traffic still backs-up down the ramp. The engineers' solution? A stoplight at the roundabout.
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Dec 4, 2019, 04:26 PM
 
I should pull my dashcam footage from the roundabout yesterday. The main road goes straight through, each side exit is a side road. I had to go 3/4 of the way through to get to my exit. SUV across from me sat there with no one coming until the moment I got close, then gunned it. I had to hit the brakes and horn.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
There's one such bridge where, before the roundabouts were added, rush-hour traffic would back-up down the exit ramp from the artery to the cross-street. After adding the roundabouts, the rush-hour traffic still backs-up down the ramp. The engineers' solution? A stoplight at the roundabout.
AFAIK the average traffic flow is higher on roundabouts than on traffic lights, so from that perspective, they are the engineer's solution. Of course, I don't know whether that applies to monstrosities like the one Waragainstsleep has found, but I can attest to that.

Roundabouts aren't a panacea, though, against congestion, if the traffic volume is too large, any system will clog up.
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Dec 5, 2019, 06:04 AM
 
That one is "affectionately" called 'the magic roundabout'. I don't know if that reference will land across the pond.




The problem with it is that you don't have a vast amount of time to work out where the hell you're going, and visibility isn't super either so while you're trying to figure out which exits you want, then trying to decipher the road markings and deal with multiple roundabouts at the same time, it can be a pain. I've only ever driven over it a couple of times and I had no idea where I was actually going so I was trying to follow road signs to roughly near my destination which made it even worse.
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Dec 5, 2019, 01:58 PM
 
Guys, this is plainly not political enough. I'm going to have to report you all.

(or, keep posting and I will split this off into its own discussion.)
     
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If only roundabouts were a political issue, we could defeat them all. I'd vote for that.
     
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Politics and going in circles have very little in common.
     
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Why do you hate roundabouts? You don't have to stop when the roads are quiet. Not like your crazy intersection rules.
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During busy times, intersections do switch all the time. But during off-hours (especially in rural areas), the signals will default to green on the higher-traffic road. So most of the time, you can drive straight through. No slowing down, no curves, just a clear road.

With a roundabout, you have to play ring-around-the-rosie every single time. Doesn't matter if there are no other cars, or if you're on the more common road. Gotta slow down, navigate around a bend, and hope there are no drunk idiots waiting beyond the curve.

On smaller roundabouts (single-lane), you reach the turnoff you want. But you still have to slow, signal etc and turn, just like an intersection. Slowing any cars behind you (by being rear-ended if necessary). No net gain, you just added a bend to the operation.

So you add a break in traffic flow, a possible blind curve (depends on what's inside the round), and uncontrolled crossing traffic if the roundabout has 2+ lanes.
     
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Further thoughts - roundabouts can make sense if three or more spoke roads intersect. But with just two roads, they make things less efficient all around. They don't actually get rid of intersections, they replace one intersection with 2-4 small intersections. Eliminating the most dangerous turn (left in US, right in UK).

Regular intersection: (reverse L/R for UK)
Straight - drive as normal. Possible stop, then go.
Right - one turn into merging traffic.
Left - one turn against traffic, possibly protected by signal lights.

Roundabout:
Straight - pass through 3 mini intersections. 2x right turns, 2x merging traffic.
Right - pass through 2 mini intersections. 2x right turns, 1x merging traffic.
Left - pass through 4 mini intersections. 2x right turns, 3x merging traffic
     
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Roundabout work best when you have traffic flows that switch back and forth but from two directions ate once. Say in the morning it n>s and E-W but it reverses in the evening. Or most of the traffic is making right turns but the occasional that doesn't.

Slowing from 45 to 30 to go thru a roundabout isn't a big deal. They do have a critical traffic volume were they congest and stop serving all incoming lanes.
     
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That’s the real rub.

Their whole point is keeping traffic moving, but actual traffic breaks them.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
During busy times, intersections do switch all the time. But during off-hours (especially in rural areas), the signals will default to green on the higher-traffic road. So most of the time, you can drive straight through. No slowing down, no curves, just a clear road.
You will still have a larger net flux of cars compared to an intersection with a traffic light, because you always dynamically allocate capacity. And it is much safer, because cars go more slowly. That’s especially important when pedestrians are crossing.

There are other, potential, expensive solutions, but they have their limitations. Back when I was living in Munich, there was one intersection near university that had an induction switch. During the off-hours, the traffic light was controlled by the induction switch. But I was on a bike, which meant that the induction switch would not trigger and I was regularly braking the rules of the road just to get home. Circular traffics are dead easy.
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With a roundabout, you have to play ring-around-the-rosie every single time.
You lose a few seconds in the off-hours and gain time during rush hour. Seems like a net benefit to me.
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Doesn't matter if there are no other cars, or if you're on the more common road. Gotta slow down, navigate around a bend, and hope there are no drunk idiots waiting beyond the curve.
There are no “idiots waiting behind the curve”, because circular traffics are designed so that you can see the whole intersection. (Ok, don’t point me to the example Waragainstsleep posted, there are exceptions.)
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On smaller roundabouts (single-lane), you reach the turnoff you want. But you still have to slow, signal etc and turn, just like an intersection. Slowing any cars behind you (by being rear-ended if necessary). No net gain, you just added a bend to the operation.
Everybody is slow in a roundabout, which makes it easier for you to avoid collisions. And it teaches you to play nice. And you avoid left turns.

I understand that they get some getting used to. At first I thought they didn’t make any sense. Then the municipality of my school put one on the busiest intersection around, right next to a highway. And it was soooo much quicker to get through the intersection in the morning.
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I’m not buying roundabouts are safer for pedestrians without a cite.

Other cars? Yes.
     
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Man...Frankie Boyle is bloody merciless, and funny as hell.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I’m not buying roundabouts are safer for pedestrians without a cite.
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. I've yet to encounter a roundabout with any sort of pedestrian crosswalk.
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. I've yet to encounter a roundabout with any sort of pedestrian crosswalk.
Roundabouts and pedestrians are completely at odds with each other.

Roundabouts keep traffic moving, pedestrians need traffic to stop.

Pretty sure most pedestrians get nailed during a turn. Roundabouts are all turns.
     
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Here’s a simpler design which illustrates the same trade-off.



This improves the flow of motorized traffic at the cost of adding hazards to pedestrians and cyclists. Hazards which are far lessened or simply don’t exist at a traditional intersection.

Unfortunately, we’re stuck deciding whether traffic flow or safety is more important. We can’t have both.

As an aside, I posit this is a highly politically charged question.
     
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I thought you had some intersections where you have to stop dead every time, regardless of traffic. Otherwise you can get a ticket. And the cops wait for people to chance it. No?
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I thought you had some intersections where you have to stop dead every time, regardless of traffic. Otherwise you can get a ticket. And the cops wait for people to chance it. No?
I’m slightly confused by this question. Doesn’t everybody?
     
 
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