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- - e r i k - - · Apr 15, 2005, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by JLL

7.0.1? That's a pretty old version anyway unless it's a typo.

Typo. 9.0.1 of course.

Moose · Apr 15, 2005, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Not to mention the fact that there's no GUI utility that comes with the OS that can decompress .tgz, .tbz, and many other formats...

I see happiness in your future.

Simon · Apr 15, 2005, 07:41 AM

<rant>
Darn, what's the matter with SPSS?

First it took them ages to get 11 out the door, and once they did, it wasn't compatible with Panther. After months, they finally got 11.0.3 out which finally worked with the current OS. Now, Apple has been letting them test their app against 10.4 for how long? Since WWDC last year? And still no go.

Amazing. I deeply hate the company's guts. If my g/f and her psychology department wouldn't totally rely on it, I'd have switched her to R already months ago. Even MS's Office works better with OS X...

</rant>

Simon · Apr 15, 2005, 07:49 AM

What about
� DNS Update and its little daemon?
� PithHelmet
� BurnXFRee
� MTR
� HandBrake
� Aquamacs Emacs
� Enhanced Carbon Emacs
� Gimp
� TeXShop
� VLC, MPlayer, WMP
� MS RDC
� RealPlayer

CharlesS · Apr 15, 2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Moose

I see happiness in your future.

What do you mean? Does BOMArchiveHelper handle .tgz and .tbz in Tiger or something?

If so, that would indeed be a good thing.

Brazuca · Apr 15, 2005, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by georgeacrump

I thought I heard that the CISCO VPN clinet will not work. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Can anyone confirm this? It's a show-stopper for me (I use it for work).

Brazuca · Apr 15, 2005, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

<rant>
Darn, what's the matter with SPSS?

First it took them ages to get 11 out the door, and once they did, it wasn't compatible with Panther. After months, they finally got 11.0.3 out which finally worked with the current OS. Now, Apple has been letting them test their app against 10.4 for how long? Since WWDC last year? And still no go.

Amazing. I deeply hate the company's guts. If my g/f and her psychology department wouldn't totally rely on it, I'd have switched her to R already months ago. Even MS's Office works better with OS X...

</rant>

<shortsightedresponse> Get Stata </shortsightedresponse>

CatOne · Apr 15, 2005, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

What about
� DNS Update and its little daemon?
� PithHelmet
� BurnXFRee
� MTR
� HandBrake
� Aquamacs Emacs
� Enhanced Carbon Emacs
� Gimp
� TeXShop
� VLC, MPlayer, WMP
� MS RDC
� RealPlayer

Pith Helmet (in general) is coded to use a specific Safari version -- so no, it won't run, it will need an update. In fact, it's probably broken by the 10.3.9 update.

MS RDC... "Might work fine"

RealPlayer... you kidding? Yuck!

neilio · Apr 16, 2005, 12:33 AM

Hypothetically speaking (seeing how 10.4 isn't actually available yet), pretty much everything should run just fine under 10.4, except for Desktop Manager (which won't even launch) and Virtue, which works, but without the swank transitions and with some wonkiness.

Hypothetically speaking, that is.

Simon · Apr 16, 2005, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by CatOne

RealPlayer... you kidding? Yuck!

I wish I were.

Rainy Day · Apr 16, 2005, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Geobunny

In order to partition your drive, you need to completely erase what's on it - unfortunately, on the Mac, there's no way (that I know of) to partition a drive and keep its contents intact.

There is a way, if you don't mind working in the Terminal: pdisk

wulf · Apr 16, 2005, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Brazuca

Can anyone confirm this? It's a show-stopper for me (I use it for work).

Cisco VPN client would not launch for me in 8A425. Don't know if that's changed in the GM.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 16, 2005, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by CatOne

RealPlayer... you kidding? Yuck!

RealPlayer is actually a damn fine FREE OS X application which in addition to playing Real formats also plays everything QuickTime Player does. Even full screen video without making you pay.

wadesworld · Apr 17, 2005, 10:11 AM

I thought I heard that the CISCO VPN clinet will not work. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Correct. Cisco will be releasing an update shortly after Tiger officially ships. So if your VPN connection is important to you, wait before upgrading.

Targon · Apr 17, 2005, 11:41 AM

Eug Wanker · Apr 20, 2005, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by lookmark

Well, most everything major.

http://www.macminute.com/2005/04/12/mac-bu/

But that's OK, in just 2-3 months there'll be an update!

I guess I'll be upgrading my Cube to Tiger "within the next two to three months" then.

I still use Quicken for Windows. I wonder how bad the VPC issues are.

Brazuca · Apr 20, 2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I guess I'll be upgrading my Cube to Tiger "within the next two to three months" then.

I still use Quicken for Windows. I wonder how bad the VPC issues are.

Eug....give Moneydance a try instead of Quicken. It's pretty good even if there are some rough edges. And the developer needs another guy who understands what "ease of use" and "good GUI" should be like. The mailing list if full of Linux guys who don't want the app to become easier because then users would become dumber.... <long sigh>

Moneydance

Eug Wanker · Apr 20, 2005, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Brazuca

Eug....give Moneydance a try instead of Quicken. It's pretty good even if there are some rough edges. And the developer needs another guy who understands what "ease of use" and "good GUI" should be like. The mailing list if full of Linux guys who don't want the app to become easier because then users would become dumber.... <long sigh>

Moneydance

Thanks, but that means I'd have to start all over again, no? Plus, these are Canadian accounts.

I have have in Quicken all my data since 1993 that I'd want to convert, and this includes chequing and investment accounts, with mutual funds, stocks, cash, etc. I even have my mortgage and pension stuff in there.

I'm told Moneydance can't handle this. Is that true?

Brazuca · Apr 20, 2005, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Thanks, but that means I'd have to start all over again, no? Plus, these are Canadian accounts.

I have have in Quicken all my data since 1993 that I'd want to convert, and this includes chequing and investment accounts, with mutual funds, stocks, cash, etc. I even have my mortgage and pension stuff in there.

I'm told Moneydance can't handle this. Is that true?

Hmmm....people have been having importing many years of data in Moneydance, including additional accounts. It handles accounts in foreign currency also, AFAIK. In any case, the developer is very quick to add/modify features (he's added two things that I"ve asked for that made MD viable for me)

Why don't you download the app (demo limits you to manually entering only 100 transactions, but you aren't limited in importing) and see what comes out. If you like the program but have trouble with the import, Sean (developer) will fix the app to import it better (he releases "preview" updates with minor changes/bug fixes).

It got me away from that piece of *rap that is Quicken on the Mac.

Samanoske · Apr 20, 2005, 12:39 PM

most important ... little snitch

bpd115 · Apr 20, 2005, 05:02 PM

Remote Desktop is axed.....Tiger's client version is 2.2, the admin app is 2.1 and doesn't launch.

chris v · Apr 20, 2005, 05:34 PM

I have it direct from the developer that Sophisticated Pizza Cost Analysis Tool Deluxe Gold Edition Studio Pro functions great under 10.4.

*phew!*

What's more, he's making a Dashboard widget out of it lo, even as we speak! New Hotest indeed!

romeosc · Apr 20, 2005, 05:53 PM

Demo shows that multiple desktops didn't work!

romeosc · Apr 20, 2005, 06:00 PM

There are actually two products out there that can resize partitions without destroying data. The first is SubRosaSoft's VolumeWorks. The second is this week's PotW, iPartition.

alansoon · Apr 20, 2005, 06:48 PM

Quicksilver works fine, and I use it concurrently with Spotlight. I use QS to quickly call up applications, while Spotlight is used to search within documents.

BitTorrent doesn't work. But Tomato does.

The one thing I really miss is Mail.Appetizer.

Geobunny · Apr 20, 2005, 08:00 PM

Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but having called in a favour from one of my testers, I can confirm that the current version of clamXav will work with 10.4.

superfula · Apr 20, 2005, 09:13 PM

Those apps work to create/resize partitions, but they do not allow you to resize the partition you booted from. At least iPartition doesn't

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 20, 2005, 10:24 PM

Apple remote Desktop is toast in tiger.

pooka · Apr 20, 2005, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Samanoske

most important ... little snitch

Damn. That is a bummer. Essential little app for me. Allows me to prevent unwanted SPAM from connecting to the internet and confirming a view while giving me the option to read my legitimate SPAM. Sucks that I'll have to wait for an update.

betasp · Apr 20, 2005, 11:54 PM

Breaks:

Citrix ICA client breaks.
Little Snitch.
Powerbook Scroll Hack (didn't really try yo MAKE it work, it just didn't)

Eug Wanker · Apr 21, 2005, 12:15 AM

"Little Snitch 1.2 which is compatible with 10.4 will be released in a few days."

Anyways, what I'm most worried about are my printer, scanner, and other device drivers. Luckily I have a laptop for testing purposes. I won't be upgrading my Cube until VPC is compatible, but I wouldn't anyway until I tested my all various device drivers on the laptop.

It will be interesting for the people with only one Mac and a lot of 3rd party devices/software though.

mrgaskell · Apr 21, 2005, 12:46 AM

What exactly happens to Virtual PC? Does anyone know?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by mrgaskell

What exactly happens to Virtual PC? Does anyone know?

Launching it causes your computer to rape your dog.

mrgaskell · Apr 21, 2005, 01:14 AM

Been doing that for years. No really, what does it break?

JLL · Apr 21, 2005, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Apple remote Desktop is toast in tiger.

Which is why ARD2.2 will be released shortly

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 21, 2005, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by mrgaskell

Been doing that for years. No really, what does it break?

Apparently there's no networking because the frameworks have changed again. Probably the same reason Unsanity Haxies won't work. I'll be pissed if Unsanity takes over 6 months get the haxies working again like they did for 10.3.

Cadaver · Apr 21, 2005, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by betasp

Breaks:
Citrix ICA client breaks.

Really? Damn. I use it to access stuff at work.
Hmm... Guess I'll need to swivel my chair 90� and use my PC (believe me, I'd rather not).
Hopefully Citrix will be updated to work under 10.4.

JHromadka · Apr 21, 2005, 10:35 AM

The Missing Sync will work, and there is an updated version of the iSync conduit for Palm Desktop as well.

Stradlater · Apr 21, 2005, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Samanoske

most important ... little snitch

Little Snitch has been updated (currently a beta version) for Tiger compatibility.

zeebe · Apr 21, 2005, 12:14 PM

Hypothetically speaking, Cod and CoD UO doesn't seem to be working, anyone else notice this?

Simon · Apr 21, 2005, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by zeebe

Hypothetically speaking, Cod and CoD UO doesn't seem to be working, anyone else notice this?

Oh no!

What about MoHAA? Can anybody confirm that it works under Tiger?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 21, 2005, 08:18 PM

http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/news/42417.html

betasp · Apr 21, 2005, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

Really? Damn. I use it to access stuff at work.
Hmm... Guess I'll need to swivel my chair 90� and use my PC (believe me, I'd rather not).
Hopefully Citrix will be updated to work under 10.4.

I am having a hard time tracking down the problem. If I login via the web server and download the .asp file I can get it. The problem is with the native client. I will keep you informed on how it goes.

OK, here is the deal. Dump the Domain. I don't know why, but erase the domain and it will connect. May have to do with changes in Tiger but that is the answer.

bpd115 · Apr 21, 2005, 11:19 PM

Any one try the new iChat AV? I haven't tried group but I I just tried with my brother. In panther iChat had 30 FPS between us....(He has a 1.42 mini and I have a Dual 2.0 G5)....with Tiger we had 15 FPS but the quality did look better...

Apple had FPS stats listed on the old homepage but not anymore (processor requirements, etc.)

bpd115 · Apr 21, 2005, 11:35 PM

Just a follow up I tried iChat tiger to iChat tiger on the local network with my G5 and my mothers 1.25 iMac G4, 15 FPS.

iChat Tiger to iChat Panther on the local network with my G5 and my dads iMac G5 30 FPS.

torifile · Apr 21, 2005, 11:48 PM

I need filemaker pro to work. And Prosoft's Novell client. These 2 are a must for me to be able to switch at work. VPC would be good but it's not essential (lotsa crappy PCs I can use to write my clinical notes).

Super Mario · Apr 21, 2005, 11:51 PM

I have chatted with someone to ask those questions. Call of Duty works. All fps games are working. I read an argument on a forum that DVD Player and Quicktime live resizing doesn't work on some graphics cards, the same models it was working on in the first Developer preview. Seems as Apple has disabled some functions.

jock · Apr 22, 2005, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by torifile

I need filemaker pro to work. And Prosoft's Novell client. These 2 are a must for me to be able to switch at work. VPC would be good but it's not essential (lotsa crappy PCs I can use to write my clinical notes).

Prosofts client does NOT work, they are working on a new version, don't upgrade until they do.

philcozz · Apr 22, 2005, 09:56 AM

Any word about SpamSieve and the new Mail? AFAIK it's just AppleScript, so it should work right?

polendo · 10:44 AM

I had given up on SPSS since 2004, and just today I'm reading there is an update for Panther. Nice. 10.4 will definetly have to wait if SPSS gets its act together (or the other way around).

pd: anyone has a link were to find that patch (for SPSS on Panther using a G3 processor)? Thanks