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Watched Prometheus today and quite liked it.
Anyone else watched it as yet?
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How? It doesn't come out til friday...
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It came out in Sweden last Friday. I've noticed that US release has been a week or more late for several movies so far this season. That has never been the case before, I wonder why they're doing it that way now.
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Originally Posted by P
It came out in Sweden last Friday. I've noticed that US release has been a week or more late for several movies so far this season. That has never been the case before, I wonder why they're doing it that way now.
I've noticed this too. Maybe to curb piracy?
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It builds suspense through word of mouth on the `net.
Really want to see this, I'm hoping it isn't just gobs of eye candy.
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Originally Posted by Macfreak7
I've noticed this too. Maybe to curb piracy?
Staggered released dates encourage piracy.
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Originally Posted by Shaddim
It builds suspense through word of mouth on the `net.
Yeah, I think this is why American advanced release is probably at an end.
Really want to see this, I'm hoping it isn't just gobs of eye candy.
Me too, but it does have Theron in a skin-tight suit, so let's hope it isn't just that.
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This is the first movie in ages that stands a fair chance of getting me back into a theater.
I'll still probably wait for the DVD, though. I hate theaters these days.
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That one of the writers from lost wrote this makes me uneasy.
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad
This is the first movie in ages that stands a fair chance of getting me back into a theater.
I'll still probably wait for the DVD, though. I hate theaters these days.
I used to feel the same way for the last few years, and then I went to Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy because my sister invited me, and I had a great time. That's what got me back to see The Avengers this week. 3D is great, because all the annoying people go to the 3D shows, so the 2D showings are full of people who just want to appreciate the movie.
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Originally Posted by P
so the 2D showings are full of people who just want to appreciate the movie.
Exactly.
But I am planning to see it again, perhaps in 3D for the heck of it. ![Cool](http://forums.macnn.com/images/smilies/oldschool/cool.gif)
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
That one of the writers from lost wrote this makes me uneasy.
And it should. I've been checking the reviews, and apparently the story is just stupid. The consensus seems to be that it's visually a very good movie and Scott did a great job directing it, but he couldn't save the plot.
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I'm still going to go see it, reviews be damned. Alien was billed as a horror movie over being science fiction, and the reviewers were wrong there, so even if it isn't a story I'll think is what I want to be an Alien prequel, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna
Yeah, I think this is why American advanced release is probably at an end.
Me too, but it does have Theron in a skin-tight suit, so let's hope it isn't just that.
If you are going for the skin-tight suit, it won't be worth it for you. She still looks like a burnt charcoal twig.
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Originally Posted by finboy
If you are going for the skin-tight suit, it won't be worth it for you. She still looks like a burnt charcoal twig.
You must be joking. Theron is still the hottest chick in Hollywood. She outshines even the upstarts who are 15 years younger than her.
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Just finished watching Prometheus. Definitely a must-see.
The film is breathtakingly beautiful, and the horror parts are really horrifying, though maybe not scary. I wasn't scared but I was grinding my teeth a few times. But I did see other people jump.
Sadly, it suffers from a typical horror-film problem: everyone behaves like an idiot. These are the stupidest scientists on (well, from) Earth. When they all decided to remove their helmets on an alien world, I flashed-back to Amazon Women on the Moon. And that's not even the stupidest mistake made by these ostensibly smart people.
EDIT: But, they are incredibly well-acted stupid people. All the praise about the performances is deserved.
Fortunately, the film doesn't make the one mistake everyone thought it would: making the female lead into another Ripley. Both Shaw and Vickers are tough, but they aren't Ripley clones, they are tough in their own ways.
EDIT: oh yeah, I was worried about the "Chariot of the Gods" plot line, but they didn't do what I worried they'd do, so I'm satisfied.
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The original Alien is one of my favorite movies of all time and I thought Prometheus was poorly written mediocre crud.
It's hard to get into specifics without massive spoilers.
Somewhere in that mess of a movie there was a cool movie trying to get out... but it did not.
I just don't get why 35 years later, Ridley Scott felt the need to return to the universe and give us something so unnecessary?
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Originally Posted by ort888
I just don't get why 35 years later, Ridley Scott felt the need to return to the universe and give us something so unnecessary?
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Oh boy.
The visuals, the atmosphere, the editing? All top notch.
The characters, the plot cohesion, the realistic motivators? C grade afterthoughts.
They reuse pretty much every element from the existing Alien movies. I'm not just talking about the look, the feel, the corporations, etc. I'm talking about character types, plot points, twists, etc. So much so that it's blatantly obvious what is going to happen next.
Basically, the more you think about the film, the more gaping holes you'll find. It's not a "hard sci-fi action/horror movie that makes you jump AND makes you think" that the trailer promised. It's more of a "soft sci-fi horror with characters too stupid to tie their own shoes and too mute to tell each other (or the audience) anything that is going" movie. But it is probably still worth seeing. Matinee.
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I'm in the theatre right now and it's starting in 10 minutes. Went to the avx 3D. As much as I hate 3D I prefer the avx (larger digital screen better sound better seats) so I'll give a review on what I think of its use of 3D later tonight.
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Saw it. Really liked it.
Saw it in 3D ... the extra 'D' added nothing to the movie for me except an extra hit to my wallet.
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I was going to say, the 3D is NOT worth it at all.
I liked the movie but was a little disappointed. I think it could have been so much more. I was reading up on the movie in Wikipedia and what got filmed was not the original concept created in 2000. Fox as always interfered a lot in the making of the movie and made a lot of changes to be able to cut costs and to market to a wider audience. The original concept would have been a restricted movie.
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Originally Posted by Demonhood
Oh boy.
The visuals, the atmosphere, the editing? All top notch.
The characters, the plot cohesion, the realistic motivators? C grade afterthoughts.
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But it is probably still worth seeing. Matinee.
ITA. And the score was terrible.
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Unfortunately, it was everything I expected. Nice visuals and direction, but giant pile of HORESH*T for a plot. I don't think my eyes stopped rolling after the ID/evolution argument.
All I could think of during the movie was that for $3 trillion, you'd think they could afford to hire people who weren't all complete retards.
The 2 things I did enjoy: rehashing the Serenity model for Prometheus, and "David, we are LEAVING!"
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Also, can anyone tell me why...
...the alien guy killed himself at the very beginning? Also, the aliens only share 90% of their DNA with humans. Humans, however, share over 96% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Why would they conclude that the aliens created humans? Human begins have less in common with those aliens than we do with the most primitive of hominids on our own planet!
If you're going to write a sci-fi, the least you could do is check Wikipedia for f*ck's sake.
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Apparently this movie is a work of complete fiction, totally made up.
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Doesn't excuse the writers from being complete dumbasses.
Apparently a complete quarantine means opening the door and letting everyone back in. While I realize the android infected the guy, they were all under the impression that it was a pathogen in the air after they all took off their helmets (which it very well could have been.) Or at least, sometimes they did; other times they forgot... like prior to opening the damn door to let everyone in.
Furthermore, after the android tries to kill the girl, she trusts him to take her to the alien home world? He's the only one that can fly the ship. What is stopping him from setting a course to Earth? What's she going to do? Yell at him? She can't fly the damn ship.
GAH! The movie just overflowed with stupid. I couldn't stand it. I wanted to reach up in the screen and strangle every single one of them.
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Originally Posted by Demonhood
Oh boy.
The visuals, the atmosphere, the editing? All top notch.
The characters, the plot cohesion, the realistic motivators? C grade afterthoughts.
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Basically, the more you think about the film, the more gaping holes you'll find.
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But it is probably still worth seeing.
QFMFT. Especially the underlined portion. Definitely worth seeing and I really enjoyed myself in the theatre despite realizing that some things didn't make sense...but then once we started to digest what had actually happened the nonsensical problems started to loom larger and larger.
Also: I thought the Imax 3D was awesome. Simply gorgeous, and incredibly well-done compared to, say, Avengers or Tintin. Very little of this "3 characters popping out at me and the midground a bit of a muddled mess" effect. I think it may be mostly attributed to the sparse landscape in general, but it was still the type of subtle 3D that I think hands-down works best. I have no idea what you guys are talking about on that front.
Also, I love Alien but never got farther than Aliens after Cameron's evisceration job on that movie. Is there any explanation for the difference between the face-grabbing wormlike thing that gets hatched from an egg, the octopus monster that comes from human sexual implantation, and the Alien that both can implant in human lifeforms? I'm a little confused how we got from the classic "leach on the face" look to some sort of super-octopus.
Also: what was more random than that single dead crew member who showed up and started slaying everyone? When the hell did somebody say, "let's put a zombie in space"?!? What was I missing?
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Just remember the story that we got to see now is not the original what was developed in 2000 before Alien vs Predator. That's how long this movie has been sitting. Fox interfered greatly with it. Originally Ridley Scott and James Cameron wrote it but James Cameron couldn't work with fox. Fox cut corners to save money (250 Million to 150 Million) and im sure that affected the story and they also wanted it to reach a broader audience so the script was changed to make it less violent.
I think most of the blame for the little issues with the movie can be squarely placed on Fox executives.
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I really don't care if the story is different and/or less violent. That doesn't make it worse in and of itself. In fact, if James Cameron was originally involved but then was taken off, I'd automatically assume that would make the movie better, since he is a master of mediocre drivel when it comes to movies.
Either way, almost everyone seems to agree that there's a really good movie in there somewhere. Good actors, good premise, yadda yadda. It's somewhere in the writing and/or editing process that the ball seems to have been dropped - and that, in theory, should not have a huge lot to do with executives, should it?
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What's weird about Prometheus is that if you take any 5 minute chunk of it, and it's probably pretty good.... but when you take all those pieces and put them together, it makes for a really sloppy and bad movie.
The first half made it seem like it was going somewhere interesting, and I kept waiting for that "ah-ha!" moment when everything would come together and all the dumb shit would make sense, but it never came. They just kept going deeper and deeper down the dumb hole.
What was with that crew. Freaking Weylan himself was on board. And his daughter. They said it was a trillion dollar mission. And every crew member seemed like a clueless dolt. Did they pick everyone up at a Home Depot on the way?
Trabajo? Are you a biologist? What to go on a super top secret mission to make mankinds first ever contact with an alien race? $20 and I'll buy you lunch... Si? Good, get in the ship...
And then they get there, and make the most amazing discover in the history of all mankind... and they are all so casual about it. Doop-da-doop, hey look, aliens or whatever. Cool I guess. What should we do? Hey, let's poke at it with the disposition of a bunch of teenagers who stumble on an abandoned cabin in the woods!
It was all just so casual. It was like no one had any plan what-so-ever. For anything. Not the first time in, or the subsequent missions in.
Hey a completely preserved alien head! The most amazing discovery in the history of anything! We have it right here! What should we do? Boring science stuff? Screw that, let's inject it with some stuff and bring it life, RIGHT NOW!
Hey, a crazy alien snake in hissing at me from an aggressive stance. Even though I've already established myself as a coward, and am stranded, and have already stated that I'm scared of life forms, I think I should try and pet this snake. Why? Because I'm a biologist. I said so earlier. Biologist! All that other stuff, discovering the first aliens mankind has ever seen, exploring an ancient alien temple... BORING! LAME! But this snake, wow! It's biological! I'm in! Let's pet it!
And hey, you know, we've traveled out to the middle nowhere, and this is the culmination of a lifetime of work, and we've made the biggest discover in the history of mankind, and I've proven my lifework to be correct... but man, in the first 30 minutes of exploring an ancient alien temple, we didn't discover any living ones. Man, I'm SOOOOOOO depressed. My life sucks and I'm going to get pissy drunk and sulk.
Every character in the movie sucked. Well, every character but the robot, which was written poorly but acted very well.
Both of the leads though, lame characters. Vickers? Lame. Old man waylen? Looked stupid and lame.
And hey, a crazy substance that mutates your DNA turning you into a monster... we've never sen that before. Nope. What an original concept.
And they wake up the ancient aliens, their one shot at making something something interesting happen after the movie had completely gone off the rails... and what happens? What does the alien do? The most boring thing imaginable. It just starts punching and killing everyone. Wow.
And don't get me started on the baby tentacle monster or how it attacked the alien at the end. What the funk was that? How did it have anything to do with anything else going on in the movie? Couldn't they have just removed that entire plotline and still told the exact same story?
And the Xenomorph popping out at the end, also lame.
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Oh, and...
...why bother with the mural of the alien queen and drone if we didn't see the actual pseudo-alien drone until after it interacted first with a human, then the alien?
Also, the atmosphere was toxic not just to the aliens, but even to the biological weapons they were creating. That was the entire point of the planet. Yet not only did an alien/human hybrid have no problem breathing the air, but so did the alien when he was running around for 40 minutes getting to the escape pod to kill the only human... instead of just taking off in one of the other ships and heading to Earth as he had originally planned?
Furthermore, if you need an old guy in your movie, just cast an old guy. Don't use that horrible old-guy-makeup that never, ever, ever looks realistic. Lance Henriksen is 72 years old. He would have been perfect to play Weyland, like he has twice before.
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For those of you who have seen the movie, I made a little something. Enjoy.
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Beautiful visuals. Thought Charlize Theron would have done far better with the role that Noomi Rapace had. Am not saying Theron wasn't perfect, but she didn't have a lot to work with.
The final chest-burster scene was unnecessary and made the production look campy.
The real problem is that Noomi's religious character couldn't figure out the "why these creators want to kills us problem" As humans, I guess we take too much for granted that we believe that all life and/or intelligence is precious. Guess those creator types think differently. In their eyes, as a species, we're an infestation that needs to be eradicated.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
Oh, and...
...why bother with the mural of the alien queen and drone if we didn't see the actual pseudo-alien drone until after it interacted first with a human, then the alien?
Also, the atmosphere was toxic not just to the aliens, but even to the biological weapons they were creating. That was the entire point of the planet. Yet not only did an alien/human hybrid have no problem breathing the air, but so did the alien when he was running around for 40 minutes getting to the escape pod to kill the only human... instead of just taking off in one of the other ships and heading to Earth as he had originally planned?
Furthermore, if you need an old guy in your movie, just cast an old guy. Don't use that horrible old-guy-makeup that never, ever, ever looks realistic. Lance Henriksen is 72 years old. He would have been perfect to play Weyland, like he has twice before.
He looked like old biff in the Back to the Future movies.
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You must be joking. Theron is still the hottest chick in Hollywood. She outshines even the upstarts who are 15 years younger than her.
She's attractive, no question about that. But she doesn't carry the movie, that's all.
I've mellowed a bit on my overall disappointment since I saw it. Originally I felt cheated, even with all of the Alien (and Aliens) references in it. It just didn't flow well, and the plot was forced I think. But I'll buy it on Blu Ray and watch it a few more times to be sure.
For example, I can't imagine the scientist-guy being so mean to the android. That doesn't seem enlightened at all. Why would that character be mean to an android? Isn't that like being mean to a kid, or kicking a dog or something? Here's a guy who went all the way across space (and convinced someone to take him) who's being a real jerk. Not realistic.
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Originally Posted by Demonhood
For those of you who have seen the movie, I made a little something. Enjoy.
I almost yelled at the screen until I remembered that every person on that missions had an IQ lower than 70. Apparently 2 barrel rolls was enough to get out of the way.
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In the future, "scientist" is just a codeword for "dumber than a bag of rocks".
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Apparently biologists don't understand the universal snake behavior for "back up, you're pissing me off".
Oh, and, "I just made the greatest discovery of all time, but now I'm feeling depressed and suicidal because all the guys at this one installation are dead". WTF? You whiny emo bitch.
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This is the most usage the spoiler tag has seen since the thread on Lost.
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Originally Posted by Demonhood
In the future, "scientist" is just a codeword for "dumber than a bag of rocks".
I'm amazed that the Red Letter media guy is so normal looking. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but when he didn't look like Walter Joseph Kovacs with a lazy eye and a severe acne, I was somewhat disappointed.
Yeah, there are a lot of questions raised about how they could find so many stupid scientists to participate in a single expedition.
However, many other questions are beside the point. A lot of people ask: why did the Space Jockey at the beginning of the film do what he did? The fact is: the answer is deliberately obscured. While is think he might be a
Promethean-type character who stole tech from the other SJs to created life on Earth (and that's maybe why the other SJs want to kill us),
that's just a guess. Scott has designed to film just so viewers don't have these answers, and need to imagine what the answers might be. The film is designed to be open to interpretation regarding the motives of the non-human characters.
I think that fact would be more obvious if the motives of the human characters wasn't plain stupidity.
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I think you're right on the fact that the stupidity of the actual crew is so in-your-face that it obscures some of the actual good things going on.
I hadn't caught that this was a different planet than in Alien. So that helps explain some inconsistencies.
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Originally Posted by Demonhood
This is the most usage the spoiler tag has seen since the thread on Lost.
Coincidence that one of LOSTs writers penned this?
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I don't have a problem with movies that leave questions unanswered. The problem here is that Prometheus leaves every question unanswered.
It asked 100 questions and answers about 5. The balance is off.
If the rest of the movie had been better, or the characters more likable, or believable, or the story more focused... I might be able to excuse the complete lack of answers... but in the context of this movie, it was just annoying.
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Originally Posted by The Final Shortcut
I think you're right on the fact that the stupidity of the actual crew is so in-your-face that it obscures some of the actual good things going on.
I hadn't caught that this was a different planet than in Alien. So that helps explain some inconsistencies.
You sure it was another planet? I watched Alien and Aliens in the last couple days and it seems to be the same planetoid
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It's identified as another planet. (LV426 in Alien/Aliens and LV223 in Prometheus) Unless they later explain that they had changed the name as a coverup or something, it's supposed to be a different planet.
I don't think anything in the movie is supposed to directly tie into Alien. I think the ship in Alien is another ship, with a slightly different type of bio weapon that went wrong. Obviously they were screwing around with stuff that can make something like the creature in Alien. But I don't think that the Aliens as we know them are the results of anything from Prometheus. Not the eventual evolution of that thing from the end of the movie. A complete side tangent.
That said, who the hell knows. I think it's pretty obvious that they are just making up whatever they feel like, as they go along, so if they later decide to change all that, they probably will. If in the sequel they decide to throw everything away because changing the story would result in a cool 5 minute scene, I wouldn't hold it past them. They don't seem to have a lot of respect for sticking to any sort of internal logic or a tight, well thought out storyline.
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Originally Posted by ort888
It's identified as another planet. (LV426 in Alien/Aliens and LV223 in Prometheus) Unless they later explain that they had changed the name as a coverup or something, it's supposed to be a different planet.
I don't think anything in the movie is supposed to directly tie into Alien. I think the ship in Alien is another ship, with a slightly different type of bio weapon that went wrong. Obviously they were screwing around with stuff that can make something like the creature in Alien.
Originally Posted by The Final Shortcut
I hadn't caught that this was a different planet than in Alien. So that helps explain some inconsistencies.
Given the quality of the writing, I have no faith that it's anything as complicated as that. The most likely answer is that they got the name of the planet wrong because they're a bunch of f*cktards. Also, I'm done using the Spoiler tag. Someone just amend the title of the thread with [MAJOR SPOILERS]
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