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Spirit_VW
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Apr 5, 2006, 05:51 PM
 
I found the disk image for the OW 5.5 private beta about a week ago, but the disk image is password protected. Oh, well. It'll be here soon enough.
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Apr 5, 2006, 06:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by BZ
I think OmniWeb needs more than a few 2004 features to stand out and get people to buy it again (sales must be slipping). I say this as a long time owner and user of OmniWeb.

- Speed: It has to be AT LEAST as fast as Safari. At least.
- Better RSS. Something along the lines of Safari, although if they figured out a way to do a better "portal" type RSS feed look, that would be great (see http://www.netvibes.com).
- More bookmark features. Check for duplicates etc.
- More integration of features found in FireFox Extensions (auto-update, html code, more status reports).

Again, OmniWeb kicked ass last year, but people are catching up in all of their features.

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Omni group. If you are reading this: Don't you change how RSS works. I hated, hated,hated Safari RSS and in fact, I removed entire RSS functionality with debug menu.

Omni "invented" the way how RSS should work in browser, in its most simple and innovative form.

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Apr 5, 2006, 06:40 PM
 
next time you people blame browser as the prime suspect and cpu hog, memory killer... ANY BROWSER, just take a quick look to pages open and if they have Macromedia/Adobe flash content in them.

I did the ultimate "end user" fault of blaming a browser for using too much CPU while there is Macromedia Flash poor thing does run in its own account (e.g. thread) and never gets blamed.

I am licensed omniweb user waiting for private beta or a public beta and I better repeat: The plugins in any browser (camino, omni,safari), If they manage to hog CPU on Earth's best 2d accelerated system (OS X) they show as "browser" since they are running in browser.


Simply, if there is a bug in Macromedia flash making it use 60% of CPU- it will show as "poor browser" using 60% CPU and nobody can do anything about it except plugin developer. Still, user will give "5 stars" to flash on VT (just because it is installed fine) and "1 star,stay away!!" comment to whatever browser he/she uses. Activity Monitor shows Browser as guilty
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 12:11 PM
 
So I guess the font smoothing is not as nice in 5.5? Well, as long as the speed improves. Can't wait to try it out.
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 01:14 PM
 
Technically, not as nice, but I doubt the difference will be noticeable.
     
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Apr 11, 2006, 06:45 AM
 
Man, nothing can get these OmniGuys out of hiding.

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Apr 11, 2006, 03:21 PM
 
I'm guessing that MacNN forums as a tech/user support arena is not one of OmniGroup's priorities any more and/or they are just really busy coding and supporting end users via the proper channels.

FWIW, the difference in font rendering will presumably be the same as between OmniWeb 5.1.3 and Safari 2.x. You can see for yourselves right now what difference it will make.
     
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Apr 11, 2006, 05:28 PM
 
OK, I didn't want to post this beforehand but it is now officially free to know... OmniGroup have set up their own forums for discussing Omni products. OmniWeb 5.5 sneakypeek testers have also been given permission by Ken Case to talk about them too, so pop over there and ask away. The "leaked" sneakypeek release notes give most of it away already, so there probably isn't a huge amount to ask

I can tell you now - there are still many features missing, some modified old ones, and some much improved ones... yes it is much faster, yes it is much more compatible and, yes, the font rendering difference is barely noticeable once you have been using it for a while
     
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Apr 11, 2006, 05:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by BZ
Man, nothing can get these OmniGuys out of hiding.
Sorry! We're not trying to hide, really, we've just been very, very busy.

You can expect a public sneaky peek build soon.
     
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Apr 13, 2006, 08:02 PM
 
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
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Apr 14, 2006, 02:18 AM
 
Note the unified toolbar, site-specific preferences for using your own style sheets to view websites, and the WebKit Web Inspector feature (currently not a default in OmniWeb).
Nice!
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 07:18 AM
 
If you guys think the lack of news on the progress of OmniWeb leads you to unease, you really should go over to the Proteus X forums where panic-struck users are right now throwing themselves over the side of cliffs in sheer desperation.

It's not a pretty sight.
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 07:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by JKT
OK, I didn't want to post this beforehand but it is now officially free to know... OmniGroup have set up their own forums for discussing Omni products. OmniWeb 5.5 sneakypeek testers have also been given permission by Ken Case to talk about them too, so pop over there and ask away. The "leaked" sneakypeek release notes give most of it away already, so there probably isn't a huge amount to ask

I can tell you now - there are still many features missing, some modified old ones, and some much improved ones... yes it is much faster, yes it is much more compatible and, yes, the font rendering difference is barely noticeable once you have been using it for a while
There should be a mechanism to eliminate the non Omni product owners from that forums and should be implied right when it begins.

Poor customer support will have to deal with "who pays for a browser" posts

Well, I will keep using "send feedback" in Omniweb. I even asked about Mount St. Helens and if it can be trouble for omni group as its based in Seattle. They say it is very away. (ducks)
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 07:48 AM
 
The forum is intended for discussion amongst users and non-users alike, not for user support. Send Feedback is still OmniGroup's preferred and recommend mechanism of getting user support.
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 08:15 AM
 
I know the main channel is feedback from application.

Using commercial browsers since 1999 (Started with Opera on win32), I am just a bit tired of those "why pay for browser" geniuses and trolls. Thats all
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 08:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by Nautical
If you guys think the lack of news on the progress of OmniWeb leads you to unease, you really should go over to the Proteus X forums where panic-struck users are right now throwing themselves over the side of cliffs in sheer desperation.

It's not a pretty sight.
When Justin Wood left Proteus to Defaultware, I had a feeling everything was over for Proteus.

And not surprisingly, Proteus got maybe 1 update since...Justin left for Apple, what, a year and a half ago?
     
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Apr 14, 2006, 01:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by Horsepoo!!!
When Justin Wood left Proteus to Defaultware, I had a feeling everything was over for Proteus.

And not surprisingly, Proteus got maybe 1 update since...Justin left for Apple, what, a year and a half ago?
Yeah, I feared that this would happen as well. It's a shame because I really like that little app and I am quite sad to see it stagnate and slowly wither away into irrelevance.
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Apr 16, 2006, 05:20 PM
 
I would like a full screen option like a desktop browser style... what do you guys think?
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Apr 26, 2006, 06:37 PM
 
5.5 sneaky peak is now available here Been using it for the last hour and can say that it's faster than Safari now. Nothing much new otherwise, but I didn't really need that. Just brilliant.
     
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Apr 26, 2006, 08:18 PM
 
WOW! Now THAT is a big speed improvement! It just "pops" now on nearly everything I visit. Very nice!
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Apr 26, 2006, 08:25 PM
 
Wouhou! Thank you, OmniDudes!
     
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Apr 27, 2006, 04:30 AM
 
cool thanks for the info... shame the server has been crushed into submission at the moment!
     
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Apr 27, 2006, 06:25 AM
 
Very nice.

Certainly isn't faster.

Does'nt crash on Netvibes.com like Safari does.

SP7 is now my default browser.

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Apr 27, 2006, 06:32 AM
 
Btw - if you use gmail, here's a tip. Set your site preferences to FireFox 1.5 and you'll have access to g-chat in mail (amongst others!!)
     
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Apr 27, 2006, 07:22 AM
 
grr now im just torn. I cant decide between Webkit, Safari, OmniWeb 5.5, or Camino... each one has things i hate and things i love
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Apr 27, 2006, 09:54 AM
 
what's the password? nevermind.
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Apr 27, 2006, 12:29 PM
 
well its well good. plus the gmail tip is brilliant, though it does knacker the formatting somewhat...
     
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Apr 27, 2006, 12:46 PM
 
to get rid of the stripes in the menubar, type this in the terminal:

defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 HideConstructionWarning -bool true

Be sure to quit OW first. Btw, this only works as of SP7
     
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Apr 27, 2006, 01:37 PM
 
After playing with 5.5 yesterday and today, I really have to say that the wait has been worth it. I've always loved the featureset of OW, and felt that the only thing lacking was the speed of the Big Two (Safari and Firefox). Now, dare I say it, OW feels faster on my MacBook Pro than either of the others.

This is a fantastic update. All the OW goodness we've come to love, with some really, really impressive speed gains. Thanks, OmniDudes - this is great.

OW was the first OS X program I ever really came to like, way back in the OS X Public Beta days. I've always had a soft spot for it.
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Apr 27, 2006, 03:28 PM
 
Thanks for the heads-up re: OW 5.5 SP... it made my day.

Brilliant, Omnidudes!
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Apr 29, 2006, 10:06 PM
 
For the fun of it, I ran the following benchmark with OW sp7:

http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/...s/benchjs.html

My results were 5,69 seconds on a double processor 2,3Ghz. Just faster than Camino on the same machine.

Well done, Omnigroup.
     
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Apr 30, 2006, 05:37 AM
 
Did the test on my Macbook 2GHz:

Omniweb 5.5 SP7 - 5.13 secs.
Safari - 8.35 secs.

Not bad, Omni
     
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Apr 30, 2006, 06:23 AM
 
Hm. Having a real problem getting into the sneaky peek forums to find the password for the disk image. Any thoughts?
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Ok. Never mind.
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May 1, 2006, 07:36 AM
 
For those having problems, the password is posted as a sticky on their forum under the title: "Sneaky Peek Downloads and Release Notes." I don't know why it's so hidden and I'm afraid to post it here, but go register and look under the Sneaky Peek Downloads and Release Notes.
     
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May 1, 2006, 07:47 AM
 
Why the big secret? If people want to use the public sneakypeek they need the dmg password to load the disk image.

The dmg password is "bring your own support" (no quotation marks).

Check out the omniforums. They are very nice.
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[Flounder]Oh boy, is this great!!![/Flounder]
     
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Indeed.
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May 2, 2006, 04:33 PM
 
The password is proably to stop this spreading too much.

To echo many peoples thoughts - I now have a new default browser. Welcome back OmniWeb!
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Is this by any chance Tiger only?
     
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Yep - it's Tiger only!
     
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Thanks
     
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May 4, 2006, 06:00 AM
 
OW 5.5 shows amazing promise. Switched back to OW when SP5 was released and been using it ever since. This thing is FAST, especially on my Macbook! Coupled with all the usual niceties the OW interface offers, OW is once again leading the pack I think.
     
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May 4, 2006, 07:56 AM
 
hmmm 5 - 6seconds on that benchmark? I got about 20! (Dual 2Ghz, 2.5ghz ram) - oh well.
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May 4, 2006, 08:20 AM
 
to be sure I ran the test again with SP 7 on my macbook 2GHz: Got 5.36 seconds.
did the same test with the latest webkit nightly and got 6.61 seconds
     
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May 4, 2006, 09:40 AM
 
I hope the Omni Group sends their modifications to the Safari team. It'd be nice if they collaborated so that JavaScript and HTML rendering was as fast in both browser.

I don't know how Omni managed to increase JS performanceup so much but if it's not the result of trickery or hacks, it'd be interesting to see the Safari team learn from Omni.
     
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I'm really liking OW SP7. Once they can manage to fix the 'known issue' I'm about to list, it'll be my full-time browser.

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May 4, 2006, 01:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by Macanoid
to be sure I ran the test again with SP 7 on my macbook 2GHz: Got 5.36 seconds.
did the same test with the latest webkit nightly and got 6.61 seconds
hmm maybe the intel machines are a lot faster

TEST 1 time: 1.657 sec.
TEST 2 time: 1.287 sec.
TEST 3 time: 0.653 sec.
TEST 4 time: 6.003 sec.
TEST 5 time: 1.066 sec.
TEST 6 time: 3.362 sec.
TEST 7 time: 2.557 sec.
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These were mine:

TEST 1 time: 1.525 sec.
TEST 2 time: 0.958 sec.
TEST 3 time: 0.378 sec.
TEST 4 time: 0.711 sec.
TEST 5 time: 0.163 sec.
TEST 6 time: 1.682 sec.
TEST 7 time: 0.43 sec.
     
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May 4, 2006, 01:49 PM
 
seems like its stest 4 - the one that modifies text. anyone with a PPC machine want to check if its just that the intel macs are faster in this area?
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