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Oct 19, 2008, 11:18 AM
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27265369/ (I know, it's on MSNBC, so it can't be true)

Another major blow to McCain's negativity, and lack of substance on what he's actually going to do. Put a fork in McCain and turn him over; he's done.
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:23 AM
 
I agree. It was rumored to happen a few weeks ago but now it is official. Right-wingers will try to downplay the endorsement but the fact is, this is a HUGE blow to McCain. Powell is highly respected by the majority of Americans - Republican and Democrat.
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:33 AM
 
He's not hugely respected by me. He was an architect of the Iraq war, and has been too coy and politically guarded in his accounting for what we have done there.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:37 AM
 
Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Powell is highly respected by the majority of Americans - Republican and Democrat.
FUNNY STUFF.

Powell hasn't been respected by either for YEARS. He's been a political nobody since he testified before the United Nations and apparently said a bunch of stuff that ended up not being true.

Remember, Powell "lied and those boys died"?

Remember Bill Krystal calling this months ago and Powell denying it and saying he didn't have time for Bill Krystal's "musings"?

Powell does whatever Powell thinks is best for Powell. He never really supported Republican politics unless it could get him a job, and he's always been very liberal.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...lmNDJjYjM5NTE=

I don't think this will really have much impact. He's not going to campaign for him and I doubt it will sway anyone one way or another anymore than his endorsements of Republicans did. I dont think Powell fools anyone as to his agenda. This is a one or two day story.

Does anyone know who Ross Perot or Ollie North supports? Those would be some real meaningful endorsements too!
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:40 AM
 
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:54 AM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
You spin me right round baby right round....
The only people this will appeal to is RHINOS.

Do you really think that there are any Democrats or Republicans that really respect him? Besson and I agree on virtually nothing, and I think he backs my opinion.

It's my bet that the only people this really impresses are the media. This isn't going to do much more than Lieberman's endorsement did, and that did little. Seriously.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 11:56 AM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
He's not hugely respected by me. He was an architect of the Iraq war, and has been too coy and politically guarded in his accounting for what we have done there.
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Oct 19, 2008, 12:00 PM
 
I don't back your opinion for the same reasons you do, stupendousman... I'm convinced that you will back anything that opposes Obama just because, whereas I have specific reasons. Were you criticizing the Iraq war in Bush's first term stupendousman? Chongo?
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 12:04 PM
 
You misspelled RINOs there, buddy...

This endorsement will appeal a lot to centrists and undecideds. It's not targeted at you, or loony Canadian socialists like besson3c. ( ) You're right that Powell has always been liberal, and that's part of the reason why he was never a serious contender for public elective office. But as a military leader and a foreign policy expert, he has always carried a lot of respect from both parties.

Even though his stunt at the UN may have diminished his stature (especially among the strong anti-war Left), history is painting him as the foot soldier of the Bush administration who did everything he could to try and stop the war, but when that failed ultimately carried out his orders. His endorsement immediately soothes the minds of some who would support Obama, but are worried about his foreign policy credentials. The prospect of Powell serving in an administration that is not filled with "****ing crazies" will gain votes for Obama.

Obama is waging a 50-state campaign (well, 49 really, since Alaska is truly out of bounds for him). This is targeted at the undecideds in the center who can turn this election from the three-state contest it's been the past 8 years into a nationwide electoral college mandate. You might dismiss centrist Republicans as RINOs, but they vote too, and if Obama wins with more than 350 EC votes it will be because of them.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 12:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post

Do you really think that there are any Democrats or Republicans that really respect him? Besson and I agree on virtually nothing, and I think he backs my opinion.
I agree that he reached a low in his career when he went to the UN and said what Bush, Cheney & Co told him to.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 12:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
FUNNY STUFF.

Powell hasn't been respected by either for YEARS. He's been a political nobody since he testified before the United Nations and apparently said a bunch of stuff that ended up not being true.

Remember, Powell "lied and those boys died"?

Remember Bill Krystal calling this months ago and Powell denying it and saying he didn't have time for Bill Krystal's "musings"?

Powell does whatever Powell thinks is best for Powell. He never really supported Republican politics unless it could get him a job, and he's always been very liberal.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...lmNDJjYjM5NTE=

I don't think this will really have much impact. He's not going to campaign for him and I doubt it will sway anyone one way or another anymore than his endorsements of Republicans did. I dont think Powell fools anyone as to his agenda. This is a one or two day story.

Does anyone know who Ross Perot or Ollie North supports? Those would be some real meaningful endorsements too!
You are absolutely hilarious. It's amazing how you try to spin EVERYTHING that is seen as a positive in Obama's campaign. Powell is respected in this country - get over it. And that article you cited doesn't support your opinion in any way, shape, or form.

Even after being tied to the Bush administration and its widely disliked foreign policy decisions, Powell has maintained extraordinary popularity, with nearly three quarters of Americans continuing to view him favorably, in part because he is perceived as a non-partisan figure, almost above politics.
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Oct 19, 2008, 12:53 PM
 
This pretty much sums up Powell's career.

From Mars Attacks! (1996)
General Casey: [talking on phone] Hello? This is General Casey. I get to meet the Martian Ambassador! Ain't that great? Oh, it's a hell of an honor. But didn't I always tell you honey, if I just stayed in place and never spoke up, good things are bound to happen.


Remember, it was BO's long time spiritual mentor Rev Wright that referred to Condemnesa Rice and Powell as "house @#$$#@"
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Oct 19, 2008, 01:18 PM
 
Nicely delivered, Mr. Powell. Nicely delivered indeed.

Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I'm convinced that you will back anything that opposes Obama just because, whereas I have specific reasons.
Yeah, that's pretty much how the lolpoliticalforum on MacNN has always worked. You should usually check all intelligent discourse at the door before entering. A lot of you seem pretty whacked, honestly.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 01:26 PM
 
It is my opinion, that McCain would make a better president....if it were not for his selection of his running mate. I would have voted for him cause he seems more competent, but his party's selection of Pallin seems more like a publicity stunt than a sincere selection of the next vice-president.

That being said, getting Obama into the position of presidency would also seems like a great PR achievement for the rest of the world, which seems to have a very different view of the U.S. now after W's two terms.

As it stands, i dont think either pair are fit to govern the U.S. But i do trust Collin Powell to a great extent that any of them (Obama, Biden, McCain, Pallin).

This is just my opinion.

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Oct 19, 2008, 01:46 PM
 
I do think that the Palin selection has been a net negative for McCain, speaking purely in terms of political strategery.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:47 PM
 
Let's not get cocky until it's done and over.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
FUNNY STUFF.

Powell hasn't been respected by either for YEARS. He's been a political nobody since he testified before the United Nations and apparently said a bunch of stuff that ended up not being true.

Remember, Powell "lied and those boys died"?

Remember Bill Krystal calling this months ago and Powell denying it and saying he didn't have time for Bill Krystal's "musings"?

Powell does whatever Powell thinks is best for Powell. He never really supported Republican politics unless it could get him a job, and he's always been very liberal.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...lmNDJjYjM5NTE=

I don't think this will really have much impact. He's not going to campaign for him and I doubt it will sway anyone one way or another anymore than his endorsements of Republicans did. I dont think Powell fools anyone as to his agenda. This is a one or two day story.

Does anyone know who Ross Perot or Ollie North supports? Those would be some real meaningful endorsements too!
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a View Post
It is my opinion, that McCain would make a better president....if it were not for his selection of his running mate. I would have voted for him cause he seems more competent, but his party's selection of Pallin seems more like a publicity stunt than a sincere selection of the next vice-president.

That being said, getting Obama into the position of presidency would also seems like a great PR achievement for the rest of the world, which seems to have a very different view of the U.S. now after W's two terms.

As it stands, i dont think either pair are fit to govern the U.S. But i do trust Collin Powell to a great extent that any of them (Obama, Biden, McCain, Pallin).

This is just my opinion.

Cheers

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Oct 19, 2008, 03:01 PM
 
Powell endorsing McCain would have been one of the few things that would have made me reconsider my upcoming vote for B Hussein O.
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 06:36 PM
 
... waiting for the day the Powell finally stops resisting to run for President.
     
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Powell endorsing McCain would have been one of the few things that would have made me reconsider my upcoming vote for B Hussein O.
I think it's B HUSSEIN O'bama, but it doesn't matter much because we'll all be turned into cat food if he is elected anyway.
     
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I think it's B HUSSEIN O'bama, but it doesn't matter much because we'll all be turned into cat food if he is elected anyway.
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Chongo: you're funnier when you are saying crazy Republican stuff, like O'bama, no offense....
     
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Oct 19, 2008, 08:30 PM
 
Powell lost a lot of my respect when he made that UN appearance leading up to Iraq, The Debaucle, (Despite inside rumors of his literally tossing back bad intel and yelling at people "I can't present this s**t!", he eventually caved & did the job he was hired to do) but he regained a bit of it when he left that stinking job. He was, in his day, a great military leader, and he has been one of the few true intellects on the right, which has become increasingly, and frighteningly anti-intellectual. Why is it anti-American to THINK??

I've been waiting for today for a long time -- there's just no way to spin this for McCain without breaking your neck.

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Oct 19, 2008, 08:56 PM
 
I'll freely acknowledge that Powell lost some luster after trying (and spectacularly failing) to do for Iraq what Adlai Stevenson did for Cuba at the UN. That performance sprang from Powell's loyalty as a solider and as a member of the Bush 43 administration; but even a diminished Powell completely blew McCain out of the water this morning on Meet the Press, and gave Obama a big boost among the center-right voters who are key to a possible Democratic victory.

Powell's finally said what someone from the right needed to say, that this business about Obama being a Muslim was shameful, esp. since the proper response all along should have been, "So what if he *is* a Muslim? This is America, you bigoted, narrow minded, xenophobic jerks!"

This endorsement is a death-blow to McCain. Anyone who says different is fooling themselves. But we'll know for sure on the morning of Nov. 5th.
     
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Originally Posted by chris v View Post
He was, in his day, a great military leader, and he has been one of the few true intellects on the right, which has become increasingly, and frighteningly anti-intellectual. Why is it anti-American to THINK??

I've been waiting for today for a long time -- there's just no way to spin this for McCain without breaking your neck.
It is anti-American to Think because we would then discover that we've been lied to for three decades by those on the right who would have us become robots, not realizing that their laissez faire market schemes are nothing but plans to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few, and use us as Joe Six-Pack, to do their bidding at the lowest cost possible. Intelligent people realize that one doesn't get something for nothing, and that the great period of growth post-WWII was largely funded by corporate taxes, which lead to the great prosperity we enjoyed until the beginnings of the Reagan Revolution, when the myth of the welfare Cadillac was started by the greatest snake oil salesman of the twentieth century, and when working Americans' incomes started to stagnate. The powerful don't like the rabble-rousers disturbing their pot of gold.
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Oct 19, 2008, 09:13 PM
 
Wow, freaking shock. Whodathunkit.

Seriously, who DID NOT see this coming ?

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Oct 19, 2008, 10:26 PM
 
Of course he's endorsing Obama, who in their right mind thought otherwise?
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
... waiting for the day the Powell finally stops resisting to run for President.
Unfortunately, Powell is 71 years old himself. He could theoretically run in 2012 at age 75 but that doesn't seem likely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOyD_fvTzos

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Wow, freaking shock. Whodathunkit.

Seriously, who DID NOT see this coming ?

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I know, seriously. It's not like he campaigned for McCain in 2000 and supported him during the early stages of this election or anything.

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I know, seriously. It's not like he campaigned for McCain in 2000 and supported him during the early stages of this election or anything.
Yep. Early in the election, Powell donated the personal maximum allowable contribution to McCain's campaign.
     
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The Republicans are going to be in a pickle for this one.

If they personally attack Colin Powell, they risk voiding their "can't attack war heros" argument, and leave John McCain open.

If they let it go, Powell is going to deal a lot of damage to their campaign.

Nicely done.

Btw... Here is a video of Powell talking today about the negative campaigning and the socialist accusations...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_c5bbvmqc
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"Nicely done"? This election has been over for some time.
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"Nicely done"? This election has been over for some time.
The election was "over" from the start for Bush when Kerry ran. That didn't stop Bush from winning.

Obama needs to stay on the offensive. McCain has not hit the bottom of his desperation yet.
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Kerry was never fully endorsed by 90+% of the media. Admit it, Kerry was a weenie and painfully awkward.

Obama's had this in the bag since he beat Billary.
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It's still amazing that billions of dollars of campaign funding, Bush, the Iraq war and the economy, Obama still leads only by a small margin.

Tells me: 4 years is all he has.

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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Kerry was never fully endorsed by 90+% of the media. Admit it, Kerry was a weenie and painfully awkward.

Obama's had this in the bag since he beat Billary.
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Originally Posted by goMac View Post
The Republicans are going to be in a pickle for this one.

If they personally attack Colin Powell, they risk voiding their "can't attack war heros" argument, and leave John McCain open.
Why would they need to do anything? Especially given that Powell isn't going to campaign for Obama. This will be off the radar in a day or two. They aren't going to have to do any more campaign heavy lifting than the democrats had to with Lieberman, and Lieberman has been out on the campaign trail.

Despite the media being in his pocket actively running interference and thowing out propaganda, bad economic news, an unpopular incumbent President, and the pollsters giving an unprecedented (and unrealistic) 8-16 point advantage to Democrats at times, Obama is in a 4 point race when he needs to be up at least 6 to be even and there's several weeks left to get the undecideds. IF they think that this announcement is going to stop Obama's slide in the polls for more than a day or two, I'll take a toke of whatever they are smoking.

Poll: Obama opens double-digit lead over Clinton - CNN.com

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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
It's still amazing that billions of dollars of campaign funding, Bush, the Iraq war and the economy, Obama still leads only by a small margin.
A small margin is all there is between those who unquestionably support Republican and those who unquestionably support Democrat. People on this forum were calling Bush's last election win a "landslide", and he won by a small margin.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
People on this forum were calling Bush's last election win a "landslide", and he won by a small margin.
That's silly, I agree.

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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Why would they need to do anything? Especially given that Powell isn't going to campaign for Obama. This will be off the radar in a day or two. They aren't going to have to do any more campaign heavy lifting than the democrats had to with Lieberman, and Lieberman has been out on the campaign trail.
It's a Republican military figure who was on Bush's cabinet and who ran the Iraq was at the beginning endorsing Obama.

Nuff said. That alone is damaging to McCain's campaign.

And for someone who's not actively campaigning, he sure is talking to the media a lot.

Obama is already talking about giving him a role in his administration. This isn't the last we've seen of Powell.

Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Despite the media being in his pocket actively running interference and thowing out propaganda, bad economic news, an unpopular incumbent President, and the pollsters giving an unprecedented (and unrealistic) 8-16 point advantage to Democrats at times, Obama is in a 4 point race when he needs to be up at least 6 to be even and there's several weeks left to get the undecideds. IF they think that this announcement is going to stop Obama's slide in the polls for more than a day or two, I'll take a toke of whatever they are smoking.
Huh? Obama was up 1% yesterday in the polls. What slide in the polls are you referring to?

I don't doubt that the numbers are real, I think the numbers are real. I just doubt that McCain is going to wave the white flag of defeat and not try something new on Obama. That's why I'm not a believer in the polls.

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
A small margin is all there is between those who unquestionably support Republican and those who unquestionably support Democrat. People on this forum were calling Bush's last election win a "landslide", and he won by a small margin.
Indeed. If Bush's election was "message from the people" (I forget the exact term they used), it'll be interesting as to how the Republicans frame this election.
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It's a Republican military figure who was on Bush's cabinet and who ran the Iraq was at the beginning endorsing Obama.
Republican. Are you sure? Can you tell me some of the things Powell supports that would traditionally be seen as "Republican"? Military strength? Is he a one-issue guy? Uh..he already said he's not basing his vote on the Military - scratch that!

"'I would have difficulty with two more Republican appointments to Supreme Court"

Are you really serious that these are the words of someone who is a Republican? Pull my other leg.

Nuff said. That alone is damaging to McCain's campaign.
Again, I don't think many people, even Democrats believe that Powell is a "republican" for any other reason than it was the politically expedient thing to do for his career.

And for someone who's not actively campaigning, he sure is talking to the media a lot.
Today? Where?

Obama is already talking about giving him a role in his administration. This isn't the last we've seen of Powell.
Powell lied, people died. Good luck getting that past Obama's base. No one is being fooled.

Huh? Obama was up 1% yesterday in the polls. What slide in the polls are you referring to?
About a week ago he was up about 8 points aggregate. Now it's a little over 4. Not that the polls are accurate anyways.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Republican. Are you sure? Can you tell me some of the things Powell supports that would traditionally be seen as "Republican"? Military strength? Is he a one-issue guy? Uh..he already said he's not basing his vote on the Military - scratch that!
He donated the maximum allowable amount to the McCain campaign at the beginning of the election. Sure looks like a Republican to me...

Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Today? Where?
I think the media is still digesting what he said yesterday in multiple interviews...

Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Powell lied, people died. Good luck getting that past Obama's base. No one is being fooled.
Is it not telling that the figurehead of a war that Obama has been very critical of supports Obama?

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About a week ago he was up about 8 points aggregate. Now it's a little over 4. Not that the polls are accurate anyways.
Ok, well now that you've decided polls aren't accurate I don't think we need to talk about this point anymore...
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Oct 20, 2008, 02:24 PM
 
I've only ever heard the phrase "Bush lied, people died." I've never heard it in connection to Powell before this thread. I did a Google on it and in the first two pages, the only references to "Powell..." were in connection to his endorsement and were from McCain supporters. Interesting.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Republican. Are you sure? Can you tell me some of the things Powell supports that would traditionally be seen as "Republican"? Military strength? Is he a one-issue guy? Uh..he already said he's not basing his vote on the Military - scratch that!

"'I would have difficulty with two more Republican appointments to Supreme Court"

Are you really serious that these are the words of someone who is a Republican? Pull my other leg.
EVERY article, report, newscast, etc. that talks about Powell refers to him as a Republican. Just because you say he isn't doesn't make it so.
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He donated the maximum allowable amount to the McCain campaign at the beginning of the election. Sure looks like a Republican to me...
Hedging his bets. He only decides after polls show Obama well ahead that he's going to endorse him. As I said, Powell has made it clear that he's a Democrat who'll do what's best from his career politically, even if that means calling himself a Republican. The article I linked to explains Powell's options perfectly, and why he chose as he did.

I think the media is still digesting what he said yesterday in multiple interviews...
He's said he isn't going to further campaign. Are you already calling him a liar? At least no one died this time.

Is it not telling that the figurehead of a war that Obama has been very critical of supports Obama?
VERY. It tells me that Powell is a whore who'll sell himself to the highest political bidder. We know where he stands on most all the issues - with the Democrats. It's a much bigger surpise when he supports Republicans. Though, most of which hired him for jobs, so it shouldn't be a suprise.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
'I would have difficulty with two more Republican appointments to Supreme Court"

Are you really serious that these are the words of someone who is a Republican? Pull my other leg.
If you are going to quote, get it right. He said "conservative appointments" not "republican appointments." There is a rather important difference here.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
I've only ever heard the phrase "Bush lied, people died." I've never heard it in connection to Powell before this thread. I did a Google on it and in the first two pages, the only references to "Powell..." were in connection to his endorsement and were from McCain supporters. Interesting.
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Stupendousman would argue that Katrina made New Orleans a little moist. He has the capacity to spin and twist facts like no one I have ever seen before. It's fascinating.

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He has the capacity to spin and twist facts like no one I have ever seen before. It's fascinating.
You clearly haven't read a single post made by hyteckit in the last few years.
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