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Jan 28, 2015, 02:30 PM
 
If (assume as a give) over population is the biggest problem mankind faces for long-term survival, what would be a few good ways to address it?

I would think it best to avoid anything too catastrophic like we see in all the dystopian fiction stories. Probably something spread out over a few centuries.
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Jan 28, 2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Jan 28, 2015, 03:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
IUDs
Pregnancies still can result.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 03:30 PM
 
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Pregnancies still can result.
Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater then.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 04:23 PM
 
Developed countries seem to have stable populations, with small growth or (Italy anyway) small decreases. High population growth happens in undeveloped countries - ie, where poverty is endemic. This helps maintain the poverty.

On a smaller scale, social support systems tend to provide more resources to the poor based on how many kids they have. I've personally seen a couple have another kid in order to increase their monthly payment. She may one day ask why she's alive. Unlike for most of us, her parents will actually know the answer.

On both scales, we're increasing the population of the least educated. Also, medicine is (slowly) increasing the average lifespan. Assuming we solve the global warming problem (we will, it's just a question of how soon) overpopulation will be the biggest issue.

We will have to try something from the dystopian list eventually. Sophisticated incentives work for intelligent people, but not for the uneducated.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 04:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
IUDs
IEDs

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
IEDs

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I literally double-checked when I typed it because I was afraid I'd make that mistake.

Both are effective, however.
     
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Pregnancies still can result.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 04:44 PM
 
I think we should try for 25% of our current population within the next 300 years or so. I agree that education and reduction of poverty would help.

Maybe we need a virus that causes infertility in a way that doesn't over do it. Like targeting left handed people. (because I'm right handed of course)
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Jan 28, 2015, 04:52 PM
 
100% free and easily accessible birth control. Better education.

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Jan 28, 2015, 04:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by design219 View Post
I think we should try for 25% of our current population within the next 300 years or so.
Why?
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Why?
Just out of thin air. I don't know what it would take to keep us from ruining this place. Seems like a good number.
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:23 PM
 
1 child per couple. Tubes tied for the birthing mother (double knot). Castration for the father.
     
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1 child per couple. Tubes tied for the birthing mother (double knot). Castration for the father.
Too Chinese.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:27 PM
 
Leave people the hell alone, if population actually becomes a problem it'll reduce itself.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by boy8cookie View Post
1 child per couple. Tubes tied for the birthing mother (double knot). Castration for the father.
See, that's the thing, I don't think enforced rules about such things would ever be possible. I feel the mad scientist approach is the only way left to get things under control.
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
100% free and easily accessible birth control. Better education.
The only 100% method is permanent sterilization.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
100% free and easily accessible birth control. Better education.
Somebody would have to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by design219 View Post
See, that's the thing, I don't think enforced rules about such things would ever be possible. I feel the mad scientist approach is the only way left to get things under control.
The Chinese Government has people who watch for women who get pregnant after the first child and report them. It's not pretty what happens next.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:36 PM
 
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The Chinese Government has people who watch for women who get pregnant after the first child and report them. It's not pretty what happens next.
Yeah, probably not. China has had the one child policy for a while now, seems like their population should be decreasing, but it isn't.
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:37 PM
 
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It's not pretty what happens next.
They get sent to Foxconn
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 05:43 PM
 
Strangely, the greater the population in China the more prosperous people have become. Huh.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 06:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
100% free and easily accessible birth control.
Not specific enough. You have to account for irresponsibility, which means the pill and condoms are out. Any religious website will proudly tout the studies done showing that increased access to birth control increases sexual activity, and when the birth control provided relies on the individuals taking a certain amount of care (condoms applied incorrectly, falling off, sized wrong, or tearing; missing a day or two on the pill, taking antibiotics, or reducing its effectiveness by taking it at different times of the day), unexpected pregnancies can increase.

So a better solution is long-term birth control methods like quarterly hormone shots, Implanon, or IUDs. Of course, having wild, anonymous sex still comes with an STI risk, and condoms aren't effective for every type of STI, so there's still some risk.
     
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Jan 28, 2015, 07:30 PM
 
Ever herad of the Georgia Gudie Stones? According to the stones, 500 million is the goal.

     
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Jan 28, 2015, 07:41 PM
 
SNL aswered the question in 1976.
https://screen.yahoo.com/jeopardy-1999-000000641.html
Leagalized in 1983 it greatly eased overpopulation.
 
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:55 AM
 
This thread seems to have stirred Chongo greatly
     
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Ever herad of the Georgia Gudie Stones? According to the stones, 500 million is the goal.

I had never heard of this, but it all sounds reasonable to me. Georgia, who would have thought.
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Jan 29, 2015, 10:42 AM
 
I'm sorry, this thread title sounds like a new Samsung feature for something awful.
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Jan 29, 2015, 11:44 AM
 
Once women are no longer treated like cattle the birth rate drops.
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 11:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV View Post
Once women are no longer treated like cattle the birth rate drops.
We might have to do something about the obesity rate then
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
We might have to do something about the obesity rate then
Or perhaps women have grown grossly overweight to the point of meh.
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Jan 29, 2015, 12:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV View Post
Once women are no longer treated like cattle the birth rate drops.
Hmmm, I read some something similar. I remember, Bl. Pope Paul VI said it in 1968.

From paragraph #17 of Humanae Vitae.
Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 12:57 PM
 
Welp either I'm failing at reading comprehension, or your definition of "something similar" is not the same as mine
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Jan 29, 2015, 01:20 PM
 
Originally Posted by design219 View Post
If (assume as a give) over population is the biggest problem mankind faces for long-term survival, what would be a few good ways to address it?
Let it happen. Overpopulation has happened before and up to this point on our planet overpopulation has been self-correcting. We don't need to interfere with nature or tell people to not become parents if they were destined to do so.

By the way, more abortions have taken place in the last few decades than the cumulative number of American soldier casualties since the declaration of independence. Despite the tremendous abortion rate, the global population grew by 1 billion in the last 20 years (more than 10%). We can't prevent global overpopulation on our own and we never will. Only nature can do that.
     
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Self-correcting is an interesting term. Is this shorthand for war, famine, genocide or other forms of suffering?
     
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Originally Posted by And.reg View Post
We can't prevent global overpopulation on our own and we never will. Only nature can do that.
This is as stupid as people who think humans can't affect climate change. We've already genetically engineered species that can't reproduce. It's not a stretch that we could do something similar to ourselves in the future if necessary.

(Also, China shows that with a lack of conscience you can control the population. You just have to realize that results take 20-80 years to pan out.)
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Self-correcting is an interesting term. Is this shorthand for war, famine, genocide or other forms of suffering?
Yes.

No matter how much CO2 we pump back into the atmosphere to grow our mono-culture crops, life on earth will continue.
     
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No matter how much CO2 we pump back into the atmosphere to grow our mono-culture crops, life on earth will continue.
I don't believe this was in contention
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 03:12 PM
 
One could say it's too late to do anything about overpopulation. But I guess it depends on how much of your quality of life you're willing to sacrifice. Something's gotta give, and something already is giving.

When almost half of class amphibia, 1/3 of the entire phylum Cnidaria, 1/3 of pine tree species, and 1/4 of mammals, are threatened with extinction; it's more than just a warning.

At some point nations dependent on seafood are going to be hit hard with famine. Raising education standards in 3rd world countries will slow the growth after a while, but that might have the side effect of raising the standard of living in those nations. And that doesn't work well for 1st world economies like the US who've been dependent on the spoils of poverty for the better part of a century.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
IEDs

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IUEDs.

Triggered by contact with semen.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
IUEDs.

Triggered by contact with semen.
That's one way to encourage abstinence.
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 04:41 PM
 
Too many suggestions focus on the woman. Perhaps a greater focus on the male side? We could subsidize the RapeAxe. Assuming it ever enters production.
     
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Jan 29, 2015, 05:28 PM
 
I've heard of those but I thought they were already available. Good luck finding a live male volunteer to test one out on.

One wonders how difficult it would really be to check for and remove from a woman once rapists get wise to them. Or whether it would motivate them to try to penetrate other places more often instead.
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I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Jan 30, 2015, 11:45 AM
 
Christ, that's a nasty deterrent.
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Seems like a good way to turn a rape into a murder.

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How did this turn into a discussion about rape? What percent of pregnancy is a result of rape?

1 child per couple. It's really easy, the operation can be done right after the child is delivered.
     
 
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