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Aug 13, 2015, 07:19 PM
 
SEE: Is Donald Trump serious about tax reform?

If Donald Trump seeks the advice of Art Laffer and Steve Forbes, and does so without someone to represent the brilliance and wisdom our Founding Father’s original tax plan, which is now promoted as “The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment”, he will be drawn into supporting another version of our existing socialist federal tax on profits, gains, salaries and other incomes, and it will keep alive all the sufferings and miseries which are connected with this patently evil tax.

If Donald Trump wants to "simplify" our current tax system, he should then consider The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the following 32 words:


The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.



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Aug 13, 2015, 07:26 PM
 
I'm sure Trump reads MacNN.
     
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Aug 15, 2015, 10:02 AM
 
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The Art Laffer / Steve Forbes flat tax rope-a-dope plan


When one takes the time to actually study the various versions of a flat tax, including those promoted by Art Laffer and Steve Forbes, we find a flat tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes does absolutely nothing to eliminate the most notorious miseries which are connected with this patently evil tax. The time has come to seriously consider ending our nation’s experiment with this socialist inspired tax, and confront its advocates such as Art Laffer and Steve Forbes who continue to perpetuate it.

To begin with, the Laffer / Forbes flat tax proposal is a discriminatory tax in that it is laid directly upon the individual and measures the amount of tax the individual is to pay based upon their annual earnings which in effect commands our nation’s most productive businesses and hardworking citizens, especially those living in our nation’s inner cities who may work two or three jobs to lift themselves out of the “hood”, to finance the functions of government while the least productive citizen is not required to pay an equal share, or any share at all to support government! And yet, those who do not contribute an equal share to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government. Our founding fathers adopted a rule in our Constitution, the rule of apportionment, to protect us from this very evil. That rule declares “Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states”, and it boils down to a very important concept __ representation with a proportional financial obligation, or, one man one vote, and one vote one dollar! The Laffer / Forbes flat tax proposal makes a mockery of the wisdom and brilliance of our founder’s rule of apportionment.

The Laffer / Forbes flat tax proposal is also arbitrary and capricious in that the definition of what is and what is not taxable “income” cannot be set in stone, and is left to never ending alterations and manipulations which are decided by a political majority in Congress. On the other hand, taxing consumption, which our founders intended to be Congress' primary source to fill our national treasury, is far less subject to abuse, and especially so because taxes paid on consumption are voluntarily paid by the manner in which one spends their money, and allows the market place to determine the limit of tax imposed upon every article chosen for taxation.

In addition, the Laffer / Forbes flat tax leaves the door wide open for government to use it as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes, while it is also used to reward the friends of big government. Have we not recently seen how this corruptible tax calculated from “incomes” has been used by political hacks in our federal government to attack freedom loving Americans and interfere with free speech? Have we forgotten how our federal government put one of our most patriotic members of Congress in jail, Congressman George Hansen, who dared to expose the criminal conduct of the IRS and its abuse of America’s taxpaying citizens?

If Laffer and Forbes were sincere about tax reform which would actually benefit the American People and restrain our out-of-control federal government, they would be working to end our nation’s experiment with this socialist inspired tax and be talking about the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which is designed to bring us back to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate. Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

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Aug 15, 2015, 11:34 PM
 
The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment sucks.
     
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Aug 16, 2015, 04:19 PM
 
John,

No one would debate you have the charisma to sell the American people on the Fair Tax, but as you're someone who aims to pass a constitutional amendment, I question your coalition building strategy.
     
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Aug 17, 2015, 08:23 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
John,

No one would debate you have the charisma to sell the American people on the Fair Tax, but as you're someone who aims to pass a constitutional amendment, I question your coalition building strategy.
I support a return to our Constitution's original tax plan. I do not support the alleged "fair tax" (H.R.25) or the rope-a-dope flat tax.


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Aug 17, 2015, 12:27 PM
 
Whatever you call it...

Which was my point. This whole project is suffering from some dreadful marketing. We need a name that isn't six words long, and doesn't cop the word "fair". We're associating our brand with all the people you want to shoot down.

And we need to talk about this shooting down. Real tax reform starts with five words: two thirds of both houses. We need to poll at 70%, we're at about 3%. Less sniping, more hugging babies.

I'm going to keep bringing this up. I don't care if you shot it down the last dozen times. My opinion hasn't changed. If we're going to win this, you need a handler. I know handlers.
     
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Aug 17, 2015, 08:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
the most notorious miseries which are connected with this patently evil tax.
Do you have some examples of these miseries?
     
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Aug 18, 2015, 08:44 AM
 
Read the thread.

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Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
Read the thread.

JWK
I did. You'll have to excuse me if I missed the relevant list in all the text. Perhaps you could highlight the relevant portion for me?
     
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Wall Street's Eric Cantor gives thumbs up to Jeb open-borders Bush!


Isn’t this very telling? Eric Cantor, who got kicked out of Congress for being a stealth democrat, Wall Street mouth piece and having a love affair with those who have invaded our borders, will endorse Jeb open-borders Bush.

See Eric Cantor to endorse Jeb Bush:

"Cantor will also serve as a co-chair of Jeb Bush's campaign in the state.

After rising swiftly up the Congressional leadership ladder, Cantor stunningly lost his seat in Congress in June 2014 to primary challenger and Tea Party favorite Dave Brat, but is still highly respected within the party's establishment, and is considered to have one of the biggest rolodexes in Washington. The endorsement comes as Bush trails Donald Trump in the polls."

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Aug 29, 2015, 12:44 PM
 
Meh...

I'd give amnesty to all illegal immigrants without a serious criminal record. Breaking into America isn't serious in my book.

Then, I'd set our immigrant quotas at about a half-million per year.

Once we have this policy, then, if you're an illegal immigrant, we can come down hard from a place of moral righteousness.
     
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Meh...

I'd give amnesty to all illegal immigrants without a serious criminal record. Breaking into America isn't serious in my book.

Then, I'd set our immigrant quotas at about a half-million per year.

Once we have this policy, then, if you're an illegal immigrant, we can come down hard from a place of moral righteousness.

Yeah, I don't understand why the right goes apeshit over this issue. You can't easily make significant money (doing jobs that Americans would want to do) without paying taxes, and the motivation for illegal immigration is to work, not to get thrown in jail.

Why not just simplify this process to be a basic background check and make it much quicker and less expensive? This way we can assure basic character and health. Then, if the person wants to become a permanent resident we make them jump through more hoops?

Modern jobs are often not geographic-specific, so I don't think these sorts of efforts assure that more Americans have jobs. Jobs can be outsourced, or done remotely. The kinds of jobs that require physical presence are often the kind of jobs that Americans don't want anyway, and the kind of jobs that enable Americans to get the jobs they do want.

But most importantly, out of all of the issues facing our country right now, this is surely not one of the most important issues.
     
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Well, I think it's a big deal, because we're wasting all this effort on enforcement, and depriving ourself of tons of labor.

You'd think Republicans would understand the value of cheap labor, and how protectionism is a losing proposition.
     
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Aug 29, 2015, 01:59 PM
 
Only because we think we can play whack-a-mole with our current policies.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Do you have some examples of these miseries?
Its hard to enjoy a $50 cocktail from a strippers lap on your private jet knowing that someone is spending some of your "hard" "earned" money feeding starving people and stuff like that. Probably.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Aug 29, 2015, 06:17 PM
 
By any chance is the original tax plan from the constitution to not really collect any?
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Aug 30, 2015, 08:01 PM
 
Not income taxes. We needed an amendment to make that fly.
     
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Aug 31, 2015, 06:25 AM
 
Makes sense.

I'm hoping Trump isn't going to be the next GWB where the world is sitting watching and thinking/saying "They can't possibly vote that ****wit into power can they?"
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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I'm not sure who is worse, him or Hillary. I'd definitely vote for Sanders over either of them.
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