[goMac]

ABC News: XXX Family Values

It's honestly a lot worse than it sounds.

The parents run the business and are basically their daughters agents. (Her daughter is obviously a legal adult.) They're completely fine with the daughter's line of work, and even worse, feel it's the best thing for her. This is where it gets weird.

According to the parents, porn is great for her because because she could do much worse things in her life. In their words, much worse means she could be gay. In addition, doing porn means she doesn't have to have her heart broken by actual boyfriends. Instead, her parents make her filmings "dates", so she doesn't have to deal with actual relationships.

The parents are completely using her daughter. They're cutting her off from the outside world, and using their daughter to make money. I realize their daughter is an adult, and nothing illegal is going on, but still, what a sick relationship.

Edit: It gets better, apparently her parents approved of her being in prostitution too, because it was a "safe" place for her.

[itistoday]

That's hot?

[itistoday]

I just watched the video that's linked with the story, and I've got to say, I don't see what the problem is. She seems very happy, and her parents seem to genuinely love and care for her. This is just a happy family with family values that are different from most families (in a good way I think). Who's to say they're wrong for doing this? If they were really "exploiting" her then there would be a problem, but from watching that video I really don't think you can make that conclusion. She seems fully aware and accepting of their involvement.

As far as what you said about her parents cutting her off from the outside world, do you have a link to back that up? They seem to be thrusting her right into it as far as I can tell... Fascinating story though!

[Chuckit]

The father compares himself to Joe Simpson. I was just about to draw the same comparison, except he seems to think it's a positive.

[red rocket]

Sunny Lane - Biography

Born in Georgia and raised in Florida, Sunny Lane has been an entertainer almost all of her life. The energy burning bright in her megawatt smile and glowing sensuality is a powerful combination of dedication, determination and desire.

“Well, I’ve always been focused and had goals and dreams,” says Lane. “You’ve got to do that to make it all happen. You have to be a risk taker.”

As a competitive roller skater, Lane spent her childhood on the national circuit, rising to the level of regional champion. An only child, Lane has strong family ties. Her parents, married for 29 years, took her on summer vacations to Disney World and Yellowstone. Lane was a member of the local Brownie troop and her mother sewed her skating costumes.

“My parents were very big on me getting a good education and finishing school,” Lane recalls. “I had to have good grades to be able to skate.”

“They are very open-minded, strong willed people that taught me great morals of life and love. I was raised with a great work ethic, in an honest family upbringing; I don’t lie, cheat or steal,” she adds.

Continuing on to become a professional ice skater; she suffered potentially career-ending injuries in a car accident at the age of 16, but defied the doctors’ diagnosis to go on and compete on a pro-am level, while also coaching young ice skaters and operating her own yoga and Pilates studio. Eventually, health issues caused her to reevaluate the goals of remaining a pro athlete and coach.

“I had to rethink my career and where I was going, and what I would be able to do. I wanted to continue entertaining; show my creativity, tell a story and entertain people to keep them smiling. I thought about how I’d be able to continue doing all this, and that’s when becoming an exotic dancer came to mind,” Lane explains.

Natural and charismatic, Lane hit the stage in 2004, winning Déjà Vu Showgirl of the Year and began her ascent into world of adult entertainment. After attending an industry awards show, she felt herself gravitating towards adult celebrities and industry insiders.

“I was intrigued and impressed by the people I met and could see how real and open-minded they were. I liked the way they were able to combine entertainment and business with sexuality, because I have always been a very sexual person,” Lane says.

Dennis Hoff, owner of the Moonlight Bunny Ranch, the Nevada brothel featured in HBO’s “Cathouse” reality series, was one of the people Lane met and with whom she eventually started a personal relationship. After several months of promotions and assisting Hoff with the business, they parted. Lane continued forward with her career.

As Nightmoves Calendar cover girl for 2005, Lane attended an industry event where she met Farrell Hirsch, executive producer of Playboy Radio. Noting Lane’s girl-next-door looks and homegrown personality, he offered Lane a chance to come to LA, accompanied by her mother, to guest star on the Night Calls radio program with Julie Aston and Tiffany Granath. Within a week of arriving, Lane had secured an agent and was filming her first adult shoot.

Faced with the possibility of their daughter becoming an onscreen erotic star, Lane says, “My parents’ first reaction was, ‘You’re an adult – do what makes you happy.’ I asked them for support and that’s what they gave me. They handled it with dignity and pride. They just want me to be happy.”

“We love our daughter and we support her unconditionally, no matter what she decides to do,” say Mom and Dad. “We instilled our morals, values, strength and will power. We’ve always told her, if you’ve got it, flaunt it. We support her 120% and stand by her.”

Quickly taken in by the adult community, veteran porn legend Ron Jeremy became Lane’s mentor and best friend. And her list of industry friends and supporters reads like an erotic Who’s Who: Seymore Butts, April Storm, Nina Hartley, Devon Lane, Christy Canyon, Ginger Lynn, Serena, Bill Margold, Sean Michaels and James Avalon, to name a few.

Known as a relentless self-promoter – the “Energizer Bunny” of porn – Lane appears at every opportunity and event, smiling, enthusiastic and ready for action. At a recent party for the launch of the XFanz website, she headlined the burlesque acts that were part of the evening’s entertainment and then quickly changed gears, to sing back-up with adult performer Kurt Lockwood’s band, the Porn City Punks.

She has made guest appearances on numerous radio and television programs, including Playboy Radio and TV, the Adam Carolla Radio, Radio Chick, The Good Fellas Radio Show, Derek and Romaine and Jason Ellis on Sirius radio, Opie and Anthony, WET Radio, Comedy Central, Showtime, Cinemax, HBO and E! She also has a regular spot on KSEX’s (The Wanker Show) every Wednesday night.

In print, she’s graced the covers of People magazine Australia, Adam Film World, Genesis Magazine, Private Dancer Magazine, Lollypops, Live Young Girls, Finally Legal, Hustler XXX, Hawk, Xcitement Magazine, Xscene, Tight Magazine, and LA X¦press a few times. She has been featured in such magazines as the Special Edition Lingerie Issue featuring the Women of Playboy TV, Playboy’s Hot Shots of 2007, Penthouse Letters, Fox Magazine, Hustler, AVN, Hot DVD Video, Adult Store Buyer, Exposed and OUI.

In just two short years Sunny has accomplished the following: 2005 Nightmoves Magazine Calendar cover girl, 2005 Nightmoves Best New Starlet Editors Choice, 2006 FOXE Vixen award, AEBN VOD Most Downloaded Newbie award, Miss Congeniality 2006 at Nightmoves Awards, KSEX Best Badonkadonk in The House, and XFanz Top 10 Adult Performer News Makers of 2006. Lane has 5 nominations at the 2007 AVN Awards (including a second nomination for Best Actress).

As an entertainer, she lights up the screen with sexy-sweet looks and a charisma that recalls the Golden Age of porn. Onstage, her showgirl style illuminates her abilities as a singer and dancer. On-camera, she displays the sexual prowess that makes a legendary adult performer.

“Being a professional ice skater, you have to have confidence when you step out onto the ice, and you have to exude that same confidence in the adult industry, when you step out on the screen,” Lane explains. “It’s not really much different at all.”

“I love embracing my sexuality and am happy with myself, inside and out. I see myself as an entertainer/entrepreneur; a shining star to the mainstream audience that will blow people away with my sex goddess body. Something that you can’t deny – watch out, here I come! The girl-next-door gone hardcore,” she laughs.

Plans for Lane are geared towards career-building, reaching goals and establishing herself as an all around-performer. “I’ve always wanted to learn to be a better actress, in front of the TV camera and do more work on radio, to bring adult and mainstream together.”

Later, there will be time for more traditional pursuits; having the right man in her life, raising a family and returning to her roots as a health and wellness professional, with a yoga/Pilates studio of her own.

“Someday, I’ll be giving back, doing charitable work for all types of organizations,” says Lane, who has worked with various organizations including Vince Neil charities and the B.A.B.E. (Breast Awareness Benefits Everyone) charity. “I don’t forget where I come from. Spending time with family is the most important thing in life and you should never forget the realness”

Staying centered and focused isn’t always easy, while living life in the fast lane. It’s a matter of perspective and priorities for a young woman trying to climb to into the stratosphere of sex celebrity. Sunny Lane just keeps on shining.

She seems pretty well adjusted and independent to me. The parents aren't pimping her out, they're supporting her (which is the decent thing to do, imo). According to Wikipedia, she's 27. There is no scandal here.

[Dakar²]

Thank god they don't have a son too. I shudder to think what might have happened then.

[lpkmckenna]

She's pretty. I'd say she's lucky, too. Most porn stars are probably estranged from their families. No family support is probably worse than a career in porn.

Ice skating, roller-blading, porn star. This girl wants to be an entertainer. I can't criticize her for knowing what she wants. And I can't criticize her parents either. What do you expect them to do?

I knew a girl who went into porn (Nikki Benz). She was very focused on what she wanted and how she was gonna get it. I haven't spoken to her mom in ages, but I bet they don't talk anymore. Is that Sunny Lane's parents should do?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

I just watched the video that's linked with the story, and I've got to say, I don't see what the problem is. She seems very happy, and her parents seem to genuinely love and care for her. This is just a happy family with family values that are different from most families (in a good way I think). Who's to say they're wrong for doing this? If they were really "exploiting" her then there would be a problem, but from watching that video I really don't think you can make that conclusion. She seems fully aware and accepting of their involvement.

As far as what you said about her parents cutting her off from the outside world, do you have a link to back that up? They seem to be thrusting her right into it as far as I can tell... Fascinating story though!

I didn't watch the video, but I watched the tv broadcast of the full story. It was just... really weird. I mean, I can understand the daughter being happy, and the family being happy the daughter is happy. But this was something beyond that. When you have the parents picking out sex dolls that most realistically portray their daughter so they can sell them online, that's weird.

I mean, what kind of parents would rather have their adult child do porn than go out on a date? That sounds like to me "We'd rather her not get involved with a guy who could emotionally become involved with her, and we'll arrange for her to have sex with random men so we don't have to deal with that." That has parents who don't want to lose control of their daughter written all over it.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I didn't watch the video, but I watched the tv broadcast of the full story. It was just... really weird. I mean, I can understand the daughter being happy, and the family being happy the daughter is happy. But this was something beyond that. When you have the parents picking out sex dolls that most realistically portray their daughter so they can sell them online, that's weird.

It's just different. Like the others pointed out, there are many porn stars, and most of their parents are probably too embarrassed about their line of work to talk to them any longer. I admire this girl's parents for sticking by their daughter's decision and even supporting her. Sure the whole thing is a bit unorthodox, but like she said in the video, she was brought up well, she doesn't lie, cheat or steal, and she seems like a genuinely good person. She was brought up well and decided to go into the business of giving pleasure to people, how awesome is that?

Originally Posted by goMac

I mean, what kind of parents would rather have their adult child do porn than go out on a date? That sounds like to me "We'd rather her not get involved with a guy who could emotionally become involved with her, and we'll arrange for her to have sex with random men so we don't have to deal with that." That has parents who don't want to lose control of their daughter written all over it.

Again I ask you to show me where you're getting this from. Nowhere in the links you provided did I see anything about her parents restricting her ability to date men.

[hyteckit]

Considering the majority of porn being bought in the US are bought by Christians, what's the morality here? It's weird, but nothing immoral unless you considered watching porn or doing porn immoral.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

It's just different. Like the others pointed out, there are many porn stars, and most of their parents are probably too embarrassed about their line of work to talk to them any longer. I admire this girl's parents for sticking by their daughter's decision and even supporting her. Sure the whole thing is a bit unorthodox, but like she said in the video, she was brought up well, she doesn't lie, cheat or steal, and she seems like a genuinely good person. She was brought up well and decided to go into the business of giving pleasure to people, how awesome is that?

There's a difference between supporting and manipulating for your own gain. The parents are making money off of this, and they seem to be manipulating her to keep her in the business.

Originally Posted by itistoday 

Again I ask you to show me where you're getting this from. Nowhere in the links you provided did I see anything about her parents restricting her ability to date men.

On the show they got a bit more in depth into this aspect. It's mentioned on the front page of the article, but basically the parents want her in porn so she won't turn gay (god forbid), and they don't want her to date men because (this is literally what they said) she could end up with a broken heart. So instead they feel it's better for her to be desensitized and have sex with as many men as possible.

It goes beyond simply supporting what their daughter wants to do. From the tv show, it's obvious that they were pushing their daughter in certain directions, from convincing her to sell her underwear online, to booking shootings for her. This isn't their daughter running her life and choosing to do things, this is her being manipulated by her parents.

Look, if the daughter was doing this and the parents just condoned it, that's perfectly fine. I have no problem with women wanting to make porn their profession of choice. My problem is that you have someone, who is clearly being used by her handlers, which even worse, are her parents.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by goMac 

There's a difference between supporting and manipulating for your own gain. The parents are making money off of this, and they seem to be manipulating her to keep her in the business.



On the show they got a bit more in depth into this aspect. It's mentioned on the front page of the article, but basically the parents want her in porn so she won't turn gay (god forbid), and they don't want her to date men because (this is literally what they said) she could end up with a broken heart. So instead they feel it's better for her to be desensitized and have sex with as many men as possible.

It goes beyond simply supporting what their daughter wants to do. From the tv show, it's obvious that they were pushing their daughter in certain directions, from convincing her to sell her underwear online, to booking shootings for her. This isn't their daughter running her life and choosing to do things, this is her being manipulated by her parents.

Look, if the daughter was doing this and the parents just condoned it, that's perfectly fine. I have no problem with women wanting to make porn their profession of choice. My problem is that you have someone, who is clearly being used by her handlers, which even worse, are her parents.

That's what it looks like to me as well. She's in a state of denial, and her parents are glad of that. In their own sick, twisted way, they're in denial as well. How could a mother who cares about her child catalog her daughter's underwear (which hasn't even been cleaned), and be proud that she's sending it all over the country?

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by goMac 

There's a difference between supporting and manipulating for your own gain. The parents are making money off of this, and they seem to be manipulating her to keep her in the business.

There's nothing wrong with the parents making money off of it if they earn it, I think we're both agreed there. From what I see there's not enough evidence to say they're manipulating her. It was her decision, not theirs, to go into the porn business, they just tagged along.

On the show they got a bit more in depth into this aspect. It's mentioned on the front page of the article, but basically the parents want her in porn so she won't turn gay (god forbid), and they don't want her to date men because (this is literally what they said) she could end up with a broken heart. So instead they feel it's better for her to be desensitized and have sex with as many men as possible.

Again, it was her decision to become a porn actress, not theirs. Are you sure you're not misrepresenting what they said? It sounds very possible to me that these statements of theirs were just things that they told themselves to comfort and justify her decision, as in, "Well, at least she's not dating girls," and not, "My daughter dearest! I forbid you dating the females!! NOOOOO!!!"

[goMac]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

Again, it was her decision to become a porn actress, not theirs. Are you sure you're not misrepresenting what they said? It sounds very possible to me that these statements of theirs were just things that they told themselves to comfort and justify her decision, as in, "Well, at least she's not dating girls," and not, "My daughter dearest! I forbid you dating the females!! NOOOOO!!!"

Yeah, but what about not wanting her to date guys either? I mean, what adults do you know where their parents control who they can and can't date? The parents say they feel secure choosing who she can "date", while she doesn't have a real boyfriend. Doesn't that sound like manipulative parents to you? Sounds to me like they don't want to let their daughter live a separate life, so they'll put her in a position where they can control everything she does. They don't want an actual boyfriend who can interfere with them running their influence.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Yeah, but what about not wanting her to date guys either? I mean, what adults do you know where their parents control who they can and can't date? The parents say they feel secure choosing who she can "date", while she doesn't have a real boyfriend. Doesn't that sound like manipulative parents to you? Sounds to me like they don't want to let their daughter live a separate life, so they'll put her in a position where they can control everything she does. They don't want an actual boyfriend who can interfere with them running their influence.

If that's really what's going on here, then yes I agree with you, that's wrong. It's just that from what I saw I personally can't say that's what's happening. But yes, if that's what they're doing then the real story should be: "Tonight at 11: Parents Controlling Whom Their Daughter Is Allowed To Date!" But that wouldn't have been as sensational, now would it?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

If that's really what's going on here, then yes I agree with you, that's wrong. It's just that from what I saw I personally can't say that's what's happening. But yes, if that's what they're doing then the real story should be: "Tonight at 11: Parents Controlling Whom Their Daughter Is Allowed To Date!" But that wouldn't have been as sensational, now would it?

Well, again I haven't seen the video online, but have seen the tv story, so I don't know what the differences are. But she did actually meet a guy, but as soon as he found out she was a porn star, he moved on (i.e. he was willing to spend the night with her but didn't care for a relationship.) So she's in a position where her parents don't want her dating, and even if she does date, the profession her parents have her in is keeping her from getting dates. Either way, her parents are supporting behavior which makes her dependent on them.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Well, again I haven't seen the video online, but have seen the tv story, so I don't know what the differences are. But she did actually meet a guy, but as soon as he found out she was a porn star, he moved on (i.e. he was willing to spend the night with her but didn't care for a relationship.) So she's in a position where her parents don't want her dating, and even if she does date, the profession her parents have her in is keeping her from getting dates.

Sure, it's harder for her to find dates, but that doesn't prevent her from actually getting one and even getting married. Take the most famous porn star of all, Jenna Jameson, she's also a happily married mother. And then there's also the fact that she may simply not want to date in the first place.

Either way, her parents are supporting behavior which makes her dependent on them.

I don't think this is substantiated, if she doesn't like the job her parents are doing she can easily tell them to f*ck off and get another manager, she's sure to find one in the porn industry.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

If that's really what's going on here, then yes I agree with you, that's wrong. It's just that from what I saw I personally can't say that's what's happening. But yes, if that's what they're doing then the real story should be: "Tonight at 11: Parents Controlling Whom Their Daughter Is Allowed To Date!" But that wouldn't have been as sensational, now would it?

How about "Creepy stage parents controlling their daughter's entire life"?

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

How about "Creepy stage parents controlling their daughter's entire life"?

Would be good if it was true. Read the article, watch the video, it's not.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

Would be good if it was true. Read the article, watch the video, it's not.

Even he compares himself to Joe ****ing Simpson. He's a stage parent and he knows it. I'm not sure why you don't.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Even he compares himself to Joe ****ing Simpson. He's a stage parent and he knows it. I'm not sure why you don't.

Forgive my ignorance, who's Joe Simpson? And what's a "stage parent"?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by goMac 

but basically the parents want her in porn so she won't turn gay (god forbid)

Wait, so another chick spanking their daughter's ass on national TV (in the video at some porn convention) -and I would venture a guess girl-girl scenes in her movies- all that is just fine, but the prospect of her 'turning gay' outside of porn is the bigger concern.

Hold on a sec...









...BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ahh, ya gotta love the "logic" of crazy, exploitive parents.

[torsoboy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Considering the majority of porn being bought in the US are bought by Christians, what's the morality here? It's weird, but nothing immoral unless you considered watching porn or doing porn immoral.

Riiiiight Come up with some more fake stats about christians for us please.

[brassplayersrock²]

itistoday: "They seem to be thrusting her right into it as far as I can tell"

yes....yes they are.....

alex

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by torsoboy 

Riiiiight Come up with some more fake stats about christians for us please.

true dat. From what ive seen, there's more prostitution going on in the Middle east than any other part of the world. the fact that the "prostitution" in the U.S. is recorded and broadcast doesnt mean it's a "Christian" thing.

And in regard tothis story....... ugh... just wen you thought we as a species couldnt get any lower...... i hate to think of what these stories might be when im older, cuase they just seem to be getting worse every time.

[smacintush]

Once again there are a whole lot of MacNN'ers who are being judgemental about other's personal lives.

Who the hell are all of you to criticize? They are all adults and as was mentioned, they aren't doing anything illegal (not that legality equates to morality).

What's the problem again?

[Uncle Skeleton]

The problem is that parents are comfortable with their child's sexuality. Eewwwwwww.

[highstakes]

I thought this was funny...

Mike and Shelby say they fast-forward through the sex scenes in their daughter's movies, despite having made a cameo appearance in one of her early films.

[lpkmckenna]

Maybe this story is weird. But if it were a child managing a parent's porn career - that would be strange!

[Railroader]

The question I would like to see all of you answer is: Would you manage your daughter's porn career?

[Uncle Skeleton]

I don't have a daughter.

The question I would be interested to see you answer: do you think everyone should behave the same way you would, or even the same way anyone on MacNN would? And do you think that being a member of the human race gives you some fundamental insight into the inner workings of every other member of the human race?

[OldManMac]

No.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

The question I would like to see all of you answer is: Would you manage your daughter's porn career?

No, I wouldn't, but just because I or you might not do it doesn't mean we should all stand in judgement of others who do.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

The problem is that parents are comfortable with their child's sexuality. Eewwwwwww.

I think that this is a highly unusual situation and a certain reaction is normal. I just am saying that the reaction shouldn't include casting verbal stones.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I don't have a daughter.

The question I would be interested to see you answer: 1.a. do you think everyone should behave the same way you would, or 1.b. even the same way anyone on MacNN would? 2.And do you think that being a member of the human race gives you some fundamental insight into the inner workings of every other member of the human race?

You wussed out and avoided my question, but I am man enough to answer yours. I even add some explanations!

1.a. No, 1.b. no.

How boring otherwise.

And... 2. No (and yes).

I'll never understand the truly immoral and also those who espouse tolerance and are yet intolerant themselves. But I do know what drives them. It's as old as man.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by KarlG 

No.

Thank you for being honest.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

just because I or you might not do it doesn't mean we should all stand in judgement of others who do.

Why not?

[subego]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Once again there are a whole lot of MacNN'ers who are being judgemental about other's personal lives.

Who the hell are all of you to criticize? They are all adults and as was mentioned, they aren't doing anything illegal (not that legality equates to morality).

What's the problem again?

I'm always in agreement with you on the value of remaining non-judgemental, however I think you can point to issues with this situation without being so.

The best analogy I can come up with (and I'll admit, it's not perfect) is having a three-way with one's SO and someone else.

If everybody is in to this, well golly, of course there's nothing wrong with it. I think any moral argument to the contrary can, well... blow me.

The practical result of this however, in almost every circumstance, is a destruction of the relationship between one's self and one's SO. Protesting this, especially if your agenda involves really wanting to be in a three-way, is a pretty direct pointer to problems.

Either one is interested in wrecking their relationship or doesn't really care about it. These are the kinds of issues that are far better resolved.

Admittedly, getting in a three-way is one way to resolve them.

In this situation, there likewise isn't really a basis to have a moral problem with it, but the nature of the situation seems to indicate that something is really screwy.

If anything, I don't feel bad for them, I feel bad that something happened to them to make them all weird. Of course, if this isn't the case, more power to them. I'm just playing the odds.

[Uncle Skeleton]

I know some polygamists who would disagree with you.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

You wussed out and avoided my question,

It's not a "wuss out," I'm not a parent and I have no way of knowing how I'd feel if I was. This is actually exactly the problem I'm talking about, your assumption that you can just jump into someone else's shoes and judge what's best for them. If I were to say "yeah, sure, my hypothetical daughter can do whatever she wants" without actually knowing what it's like to have a daughter, I'd be as wrong as those here who cast judgement on Sunny's family. Same goes if I were to say "no, absolutely not, my daughter won't be disgracing me like that." I simply am not in a position to judge it. And neither are you, though you'd be slightly less wrong if you actually did have a daughter who was very interested in going into porn. Do you?

I'll never understand the truly immoral and also those who espouse tolerance and are yet intolerant themselves. But I do know what drives them. It's as old as man.

Are you trying to imply these parents are immoral? What makes them any different from anyone in the industry?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Considering the majority of porn being bought in the US are bought by Christians, what's the morality here? It's weird, but nothing immoral unless you considered watching porn or doing porn immoral.

Love to see stats.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Once again there are a whole lot of MacNN'ers who are being judgemental about other's personal lives.

Who the hell are all of you to criticize? They are all adults and as was mentioned, they aren't doing anything illegal (not that legality equates to morality).

As you pointed out, legality is entirely irrelevant. The point here is that, despite the fact that she is chronologically over the age of 18, I'm not sure the daughter really is an adult in the sense of somebody who really takes responsibility for her life. These parents seem to be exerting an unhealthy degree of control over her. I know people who have wasted their entire lives under their parents' thumbs. It's a sad thing.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

These parents seem to be exerting an unhealthy degree of control over her. I know people who have wasted their entire lives under their parents' thumbs. It's a sad thing.

Oh please, supporting her decision to be a porn actress is hardly "living under her parents thumb." So far all I've heard to this effect are claims that her parents aren't letting her date guys. There's been no evidence presented of this yet, and until there is—what's the motto?—innocent until proven guilty.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I know some polygamists who would disagree with you.

I think most polygamists would say there is a difference between what they do and "having a three-way".

And I would agree.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by itistoday 

Oh please, supporting her decision to be a porn actress is hardly "living under her parents thumb." So far all I've heard to this effect are claims that her parents aren't letting her date guys. There's been no evidence presented of this yet, and until there is—what's the motto?—innocent until proven guilty.

There's supporting your daughter, and then there's packaging up her panties and selling them yourself (for "$50 to $100," her mother brags).

The insistence that it's all her idea and her parents aren't profiting off it is obvious bullshit. She says her parents make money off of it, her mom talks about making hundreds of dollars from her panties, and both her parents talk about how they prefer for her to be a porn star rather than date. Think about that: Her parents want to prevent her from dating normally. Does that not scream "controlling" to you? They want her to be a porn star, a business that makes them money. And by some lucky coincidence, they seem to have got their wish! I'm sure they had nothing to do with it.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by subego 

I think most polygamists would say there is a difference between what they do and "having a three-way".

And I would agree.

What's the difference?

I think most polygamous groups build up from smaller ones, as in a couple brings in a third person (at least that's the way it happened for the people I know). Wouldn't that first inclusion be considered a 3-way?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

There's supporting your daughter, and then there's packaging up her panties and selling them yourself (for "$50 to $100," her mother brags).

The insistence that it's all her idea and her parents aren't profiting off it is obvious bullshit. She says her parents make money off of it, her mom talks about making hundreds of dollars from her panties, and both her parents talk about how they prefer for her to be a porn star rather than date. Think about that: Her parents want to prevent her from dating normally. Does that not scream "controlling" to you? They want her to be a porn star, a business that makes them money. And by some lucky coincidence, they seem to have got their wish! I'm sure they had nothing to do with it.

Wasn't it her idea to start with though? And has there been any indication that she wants to stop (and they won't let her)?

[subego]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

What's the difference?

I think most polygamous groups build up from smaller ones, as in a couple brings in a third person (at least that's the way it happened for the people I know). Wouldn't that first inclusion be considered a 3-way?

The intent is the key.

If you are polygamous, this is part of permanent relationship.

If one isn't polygamous, the relationship is ephemeral by definition.

I assume that a polygamous group who added someone without the purpose of a permanent relationship (having a four-way just for kicks) would likely face the same dangers of a non-polygamous three-way.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Wasn't it her idea to start with though? And has there been any indication that she wants to stop (and they won't let her)?

That's why things like this can ruin a whole life — they don't want to stop. They want to please their parents. That's why I say things like this are really the parents' fault. You don't have to stop supporting your child in what she wants to do, but you do have to get her out of the nest.

And it's kind of hard to tell how she got into it, because both she and her parents are spinning the story to make her look like an independent woman. She claims that her parents don't make any money off of her, and then goes on in the very next sentence to admit that they do make money off her.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

It's not a "wuss out," I'm not a parent and I have no way of knowing how I'd feel if I was. This is actually exactly the problem I'm talking about, your assumption that you can just jump into someone else's shoes and judge what's best for them. If I were to say "yeah, sure, my hypothetical daughter can do whatever she wants" without actually knowing what it's like to have a daughter, I'd be as wrong as those here who cast judgement on Sunny's family. Same goes if I were to say "no, absolutely not, my daughter won't be disgracing me like that." I simply am not in a position to judge it. And neither are you, though you'd be slightly less wrong if you actually did have a daughter who was very interested in going into porn. Do you?

No, you wussed out.

My daughter is 3 1/2 years old. Right now she wants to "just be a mommy and have two little girl babies". I support that.

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

1. Are you trying to imply these parents are immoral? 2. What makes them any different from anyone in the industry?

1. It's not what I was implying. But I do believe it to be so. 2. Not a thing.