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Nov 10, 2010, 05:59 PM
 
it's the new 10.6.4! only ONE better!

(sorry, got to be first with this...)
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:15 PM
 
Downloading now
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:16 PM
 
Is it snappy?

'cuz the download is awesome slow.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:27 PM
 
Yes. They've finally removed all the debug code!
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:40 PM
 
But is the build number 4K78 like the Golden Master?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:42 PM
 
It better not be just the Silver Master, or the horrendous Bronze Master.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 06:43 PM
 
I swear it's slower than 10.6.4...

Awesome download size too, BTW. Mine clocked in at just over 680MBs. Why?
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Nov 10, 2010, 07:19 PM
 
Valve is recommending all Steam users to upgrade ASAP, so I guess they added more graphics stuff. I don't dare hope that it's a new GLSL, do I?
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 07:30 PM
 
Mine is 517MB. Downloading now...
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 07:47 PM
 
I is a lightweight 497Mb

Thank god they've squashed that horrendous Wikipedia info not displaying correctly in Dictionary bug.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
It better not be just the Silver Master, or the horrendous Bronze Master.
OT: your sig is WAAAYYY too big.

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I'm just hoping they fix the Time Machine bug in Server, causing the server and/or client to crash.
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Nov 10, 2010, 08:25 PM
 
Downloading all 517.3MB right now
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 08:34 PM
 
Have they fix the column view in Finder so it doesn't go crazy when I navigate with the arrow keys?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 09:30 PM
 
Dangit, broke my GrowlMail plugin.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:11 PM
 
Why would I want it?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:15 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Why would I want it?
u can check the apple site, but the idea is, these updates contain bug fixes, improvements, security fixes...
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Originally Posted by fisherKing View Post
u can check the apple site, but the idea is, these updates contain bug fixes, improvements, security fixes...
I understand that, but have you been having problems with 10.6.4?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I understand that, but have you been having problems with 10.6.4?
Why would you not want it?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:30 PM
 
Is anyone else experiencing funky cursor activity while hoovering over links?
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I understand that, but have you been having problems with 10.6.4?
"bug fixes, improvements, security fixes..."
"At first, there was Nothing. Then Nothing inverted itself and became Something.
And that is what you all are: inverted Nothings...with potential" (Sun Ra)
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:31 PM
 
If it ain't broke ...

I've been burned a few too many times by MacOS updates that weren't properly QA'd for the device I was installing it onto. In my experience, Apple doesn't always pay much QA attention to devices that are over 2 years(ish) old. As such, I usually wait until an update contains something I need, and even then I wait to see if there are any user complaints from people running the same machine as me.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:31 PM
 
One does not have to be experiencing problems to benefit from security or other 'under the hood' enhancements,
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I understand that, but have you been having problems with 10.6.4?
Maybe we should look at what is in 10.6.5...
Originally Posted by Apple
The 10.6.5 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Snow Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac, including fixes that:
improve reliability with Microsoft Exchange servers
address performance of some image-processing operations in iPhoto and Aperture
address stability and performance of graphics applications and games
resolve a delay between print jobs
address a printing issue for some HP printers connected to an AirPort Extreme
resolve an issue when dragging contacts from Address Book to iCal
address an issue where dragging an item from a stack causes the Dock to not automatically hide
resolve an issue with Wikipedia information not displaying correctly in Dictionary
improve performance of MainStage on certain Mac systems
resolve spacing issues with OpenType fonts
improve reliability with some Bluetooth braille displays
resolve a VoiceOver issue when browsing some web sites with Safari 5
For detailed information on this update, please visit this website: About the Mac OS X v10.6.5 Update.
For information on the security content of this update, please visit: Apple security updates.
Additionally, the page for the 10.6.5 update also lists...
# Improves Bluetooth pairing with Magic Trackpad.
# Resolves performance issues with third-party displays that use InstaPort technology.
# Add SSL support for transferring files with iDisk.
# Resolves an issue when opening 4-up Photo Booth pictures in Preview.
# Addresses keyboard responsiveness issues in the Dock when Spaces is turned on.
# Resolves an issue syncing Address Book with Google.
# Fixes an issue when replying to a Mail message sent by a person whose name contains certain characters such as é or ü.
# Improves performance for users bound to an Active Directory domain.
# Improves reliability of Ethernet connections.
# Systems with a Mac Pro RAID Card (Early 2009) installed can now be put to sleep. For more information, see Mac Pro RAID Card (Early 2009): Enabling system sleep.
# Improves reliability of fibre channel connections, resolving a potential Xsan volume availability issue.
# Adds RAW image compatibility for additional digital cameras.
# Security improvements; for information about the security content of this update, please visit this article.
I can't see any reason not to want improved security wiht iDisk, improved reliability of Ethernet and fibre channel connections or security improvements.

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Nov 10, 2010, 10:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² View Post
Is anyone else experiencing funky cursor activity while hoovering over links?
No, but I had that with 10.6.4 and Firefox.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 10:39 PM
 
yeah, I've looked at that list already. nothing in there really screams "update now!" for me. I can appreciate that some might find those updates useful.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 11:06 PM
 
That kind of attitude has led to many Windows machines getting overrun with worms and spyware.

Just sayin'...

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Nov 10, 2010, 11:28 PM
 
Mail got updated and that update killed compatibility with Letterbox.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 11:30 PM
 
I hate it when people say "Just sayin'".

Redundant.
     
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Nov 10, 2010, 11:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by imitchellg5 View Post
No, but I had that with 10.6.4 and Firefox.
You're right, it's only in ff that I'm experiencing it. Thanks for the tip.
     
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Originally Posted by msuper69 View Post
I hate it when people say "Just sayin'".

Just sayin'.
Fixed.

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Originally Posted by -Q- View Post
Mail got updated and that update killed compatibility with Letterbox.
And every other plugin ever. Ugh. Back to Outlook for a bit.
     
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Fixed.

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I was seriously tempted to say "Just sayin'" in my comment.

Good one! (no offense intended CharlesS)
     
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Nov 11, 2010, 12:43 AM
 
Originally Posted by -Q- View Post
Mail got updated and that update killed compatibility with Letterbox.
And, this is why I wait.

I'm not saying that updates aren't necessary, just that I don't understand the mad rush to get the update as though it's the newest released iPhone.
     
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Originally Posted by imitchellg5 View Post
And every other plugin ever. Ugh. Back to Outlook for a bit.
Those "plugins" are, most likely, hacks, which are pretty much guaranteed to be broken by any update.

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Originally Posted by flmiller View Post
One does not have to be experiencing problems to benefit from security or other 'under the hood' enhancements,

I think Apple needs to come up with a security scanner like Nessus or something that downloads new data from Apple's servers and runs periodically. This way, it can alert you of possible security problems that affect you, make you aware of stuff that is running that you may not be aware of or want to be running, etc.

Often times those security fixes and under-the-hood enhancements are completely irrelevant to most users, but if there was something saying "this affects you, go download the update NOW" maybe this would inspire people to not get behind in their updates.
     
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Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
Those "plugins" are, most likely, hacks, which are pretty much guaranteed to be broken by any update.
I've also come across these hacks that cause crashes.

If you want Growl support you can get it by installing Postbox 2.x, it's a better client anyway IMHO.
     
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Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
Those "plugins" are, most likely, hacks, which are pretty much guaranteed to be broken by any update.
I've never had Growl been broken by any 10.6.x update so far. Note it doesn't cause any crashes, GrowlMail simply says that it can't run.
     
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Nov 11, 2010, 01:22 AM
 
As you would expect, since Growl is a framework that developers can opt to use — i.e. not a hack.

On the other hand, GrowlMail, which is a hack to force Mail to support Growl, lists "Now compatible with Mail in Mac OS X 10.6.4" in its latest changes. This suggests that 10.6.4 broke it too, which isn't surprising. They've probably had to put out a new version for every 10.6.x update.
( Last edited by CharlesS; Nov 11, 2010 at 01:00 PM. Reason: grammar)

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Nov 11, 2010, 08:33 AM
 
This is the one thing I hate about apple. The 10.6.5 update was in beta an extended amount of time, its vary large, but there's little details to what is being changed. Apple seems to always use the enhanced stability line. I hate to use a buzz word but apple needs to be more transparent in its change history.
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Nov 11, 2010, 08:57 AM
 
What, because it broke Growlmail? AFAIK, Growlmail is a hack, it doesn't use a published API or anything like that. If it doesn't break in every update, something is wrong.

I don't understand where it comes from, this sense of entitlement that every last screwed up hack should work flawlessly with every single update. If you start implicitly supporting things like that, it soon becomes an accepted way of doing business, and pretty soon you end up in the backwards compability hell that is the Win32 API - or Classic Mac OS, for that matter. Apple got dangerously close with the InputManager situation.

Transparency comes in the form of betas for developers. That has to be good enough, and if it isn't for someone, I suggest that developer switch to Ubuntu.
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Nov 11, 2010, 09:16 AM
 
I disagree, as well.

I don't need a list of four hundred buffer adjustments or subroutine optimizations.
     
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Originally Posted by P View Post
Transparency comes in the form of betas for developers. That has to be good enough, and if it isn't for someone, I suggest that developer switch to Ubuntu.
I'm not a developer, but I would like apple to be more forthright in its communicating what was updated, especially when it comes to any updates to security. This is where Microsoft is better and even Ubuntu.

As a user we don't need to know what subroutine were updated, but I think we should know the depth and breadth of updates.
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Nov 11, 2010, 10:35 AM
 
Agreed. I don't run those hacks because they're a pain, but it'd still be nice to know what 10.6.5 really does fix, in detail.
     
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Nov 11, 2010, 11:01 AM
 
I saw a comment at Ars Technica that OpenGL 3.0 is now 95% implemented with this update.
     
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Originally Posted by Maflynn View Post
I'm not a developer, but I would like apple to be more forthright in its communicating what was updated, especially when it comes to any updates to security. This is where Microsoft is better and even Ubuntu.

As a user we don't need to know what subroutine were updated, but I think we should know the depth and breadth of updates.
You realise that developers DO have access to way more than Apple tells consumers about, right? There are hundreds of pages of new documentation that comes out with every 10.6.x release.
     
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Originally Posted by P View Post
I don't understand where it comes from, this sense of entitlement that every last screwed up hack should work flawlessly with every single update. If you start implicitly supporting things like that, it soon becomes an accepted way of doing business, and pretty soon you end up in the backwards compability hell that is the Win32 API - or Classic Mac OS, for that matter. Apple got dangerously close with the InputManager situation.
I'm not blaming Apple for breaking compatibility, I'm more on a rant against Mail and its awful notifications. GrowlMail will be updated soon enough. The three plugins that I use with Mail all unlock features that a standard install of Outlook has.
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
I saw a comment at Ars Technica that OpenGL 3.0 is now 95% implemented with this update.
Yes...but it was 95% (22/23) implemented in 10.6.3 - or maybe 10.6.2 with one of the graphics updates. We're still missing GLSL 1.3. I haven't installed it myself yet, so maybe some more functions showed up. GLSL 1.3 is the big missing piece - once they complete that, OpenGL 3.1 with GLSL1.4 looks easier. If we get to OpenGL 3.1, we're at least at 2009 levels of the spec. OpenGL 2.1 was released in 2006...
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Nov 11, 2010, 03:23 PM
 
Are any MacBook Pro users getting really good battery life now? The most I could ever eek out of my first-gen unibody was about 4 hours, right now I'm at 3 hours of battery with 2 hours (at least) left, and I have quite a few apps open.
     
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Are any MacBook Pro users getting really good battery life now? The most I could ever eek out of my first-gen unibody was about 4 hours, right now I'm at 3 hours of battery with 2 hours (at least) left, and I have quite a few apps open.
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