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Jun 5, 2012, 11:22 PM
 
Congratulations Governor Walker! It must be such a crushing loss for Obama Zombies tonight. Awww, so sad, are they gonna cry?

10 points baby!!! And CNN was trying to fool Obama Zombies by saying the exit polls were 50-50! TREMENDOUS. Party at my house!!!!

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Jun 5, 2012, 11:39 PM
 
Who else will share in our victory party! I gotta go get some more beer. I'm having a political orgasm right now! You heard me!

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Jun 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
 
Well, obviously not the 'NN Hampstor, because I can't see any of the pics I posted.

Lame-ass server or whatever.

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Jun 5, 2012, 11:49 PM
 
I see them though.

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Jun 6, 2012, 08:01 AM
 
It spells the doom of all public sector unions! GOOD!
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 08:01 AM
 
I was very pleased that the good people of Wisconsin saw through the BS Union thuggery and decided it's not best that a group of people under the auspice of a political wing could privately appeal to the government for more money and benefits to be paid by the good people of Wisconsin. Walker's measures of austerity have already created a budget surplus for his State in short order along with rising employment numbers.

Let the nationwide union-busting begin.
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Jun 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
I was very pleased that the good people of Wisconsin saw through the BS Union thuggery and decided it's not best that a group of people under the auspice of a political wing could privately appeal to the government for more money and benefits to be paid by the good people of Wisconsin. Walker's measures of austerity have already created a budget surplus for his State in short order along with rising employment numbers.

Let the nationwide union-busting begin.
It's hard to argue with the results. There's no rational reason the majority of people paid by taxpayers should have better jobs and perks than the average taxpayer themselves, when taxpayers simply can't afford it. The sort of entitlement communicated by the unions isn't hard to translate, and it boggles the mind that Democrats really think that people are stupid enough to buy their arguments that taxpayers should "share the wealth" to make their neighbors better off than they are.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 10:31 AM
 
So your neighbors can't be better off than you?

That sounds like socialism.




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Jun 6, 2012, 10:46 AM
 
Your neighbors shouldn't be better off than you if they're parasitically sucking you dry.

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Jun 6, 2012, 10:47 AM
 
Let the nationwide union-busting begin.


An awful lot of sore winners in here.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 10:56 AM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
Your neighbors shouldn't be better off than you if they're parasitically sucking you dry.
Just because a person is working for the state (e. g. as a police man, a law clerk or in the mayor's office of a small town) doesn't mean they're »parasitically sucking you dry«. It's necessary that somebody is doing these jobs, otherwise the state wouldn't exist.
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Jun 6, 2012, 12:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
An awful lot of sore winners in here.
Thanks for playing the predictable role of the sore loser.

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Jun 6, 2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Thanks for playing the predictable role of the sore loser.
I'm not losing anything. I don't live in your self-destructing country.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 01:33 PM
 
Election Season 2012: Feel the seething hatred!
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 01:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
I'm not losing anything. I don't live in your self-destructing country.
Why then are you so obsessed with it ?

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Jun 6, 2012, 02:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Election Season 2012: Feel the seething hatred!
Right on. Politics used to be at least semi interesting, if not exactly enjoyable. Now...
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by design219 View Post
Right on. Politics used to be at least semi interesting, if not exactly enjoyable. Now...
Meh, Newt Gingrich, Clinton's BJ, hanging chads, 2004, Jeremiah Wright, the birth certificate... It's been going on since I was a kid.

It's just sad that Obama has inspired as much hate from the right as Bush did from the left. After all, I thought liberals were supposed to be the emotional ones.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:25 PM
 
I don't hate Obama. I think he's an amiable and very well meaning politician for the most part.

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Jun 6, 2012, 02:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Election Season 2012: Feel the seething hatred!
Where "losers" are taunted!
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Where "losers" are taunted!
That's the thing, the losers weren't taunted, "Obama Zombies" were. Apparently this recall election was about Obama, not Scott Walker.


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I don't hate Obama. I think he's an amiable and very well meaning politician for the most part.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Meh, Newt Gingrich, Clinton's BJ, hanging chads, 2004, Jeremiah Wright, the birth certificate... It's been going on since I was a kid.

It's just sad that Obama has inspired as much hate from the right as Bush did from the left. After all, I thought liberals were supposed to be the emotional ones.

I thought many on the left were getting pretty emotional about disliking Bush on a personal level (as opposed to simply disliking his politics), but the last few years have assigned all new meaning to uncontrolled personal emotions.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I thought many on the left were getting pretty emotional about disliking Bush on a personal level (as opposed to simply disliking his politics), but the last few years have assigned all new meaning to uncontrolled personal emotions.
Aside from the inability to let go of his birth certificate, I find them to be pretty similar. Perhaps new levels can be achieved if Obama manages to get re-elected.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:42 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
That's the thing, the losers weren't taunted, "Obama Zombies" were. Apparently this recall election was about Obama, not Scott Walker.

Yeah, I didn't quite make that connection.

I also don't understand why somebody like Big Mac, a self professed political junkie and scholar, would feel it wise to assign much meaning to these sort of proxy votes, no matter who benefits, assuming you even think that in this case a vote for the Democrat is somehow a vote for Obama in the general election. This is of course leaving aside the fact that many blue states like their Republican congressmen/senators/governors, and the reverse.

I guess I'm sort of happy for him getting all excited and having political orgasms though, since he's been quiet on the Newt Gingrich Republican revolution thing. I'm not taunting you Big Mac, but maybe suggesting that you should keep your emotions in check a little?
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Aside from the inability to let go of his birth certificate, I find them to be pretty similar. Perhaps new levels can be achieved if Obama manages to get re-elected.

Yeah, the birth certificate thing definitely came to mind, but so did so much of the silliness surrounding the last general election with Wright, flag pins, and all of this stuff since then about him being a secret cigarette smoking Kenyan Muslim socialist communist.

The left thought that Bush was dim witted, and used many manipulative emotional ideas in their rhetoric against Bush's political agendas, but I don't remember the personal emotional thing being this intense. A subset of this probably has to do with Obama's race, but I can't account for the rest and what has caused some people to completely lose their weed about every little completely irrelevant and insignificant thing.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 02:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by design219 View Post
Right on. Politics used to be at least semi interesting, if not exactly enjoyable. Now...
The effects of political agendas are far more devastating now than in the past. Whereas there was some commonality between the two parties in times of prosperity, as we're plunging into the abyss the differences in the root philosophies becomes more apparent, and it becomes more obvious that it is truly a zero-sum, us v. them system. As one side becomes more extreme, the other must also do so to prevent being eradicated entirely.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 03:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by finboy View Post
The effects of political agendas are far more devastating now than in the past. Whereas there was some commonality between the two parties in times of prosperity, as we're plunging into the abyss the differences in the root philosophies becomes more apparent, and it becomes more obvious that it is truly a zero-sum, us v. them system. As one side becomes more extreme, the other must also do so to prevent being eradicated entirely.

But why is it that the idiot brigade so easily trumps sanity, rationality, reasoned thought, etc.?

For example, why are people still fussing over Obama's birth certificate?
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 03:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
For example, why are people still fussing over Obama's birth certificate?
You tell me, since you and Dakar bring this shit up in a thread about Walker.

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Jun 6, 2012, 03:12 PM
 
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You tell me, since you and Dakar bring this shit up in a thread about Walker.

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Selective quoting, how does it work?
I also brought up blow jobs, hanging chads, and such, but I didn't think that mattered since you have me on ignore.
     
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You tell me, since you and Dakar bring this plant up in a thread about Walker.

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It's too bad conflict doesn't come in I.V. form so that you can inject it straight into your bloodstream, it would be perfect for you.
     
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Whereas there was some commonality between the two parties in times of prosperity...
I've been working on a theory this commonality was an illusion propagated by network news.

For most of our lives, the primary portal into politics has been monopolized by network news. This monopoly caused three things:

1) Utterly insane amounts of money for doing close to nothing
2) Value in catering to the widest audience possible
3) Fear the FCC would come down on them if they rock the boat too hard

The Internet killed all three.
     
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It's too bad conflict doesn't come in I.V. form so that you can inject it straight into your bloodstream, it would be perfect for you.
It's too bad shit doesn't come in I.V. form so that you can inject it straight into your bloodstream, it would be perfect for you.

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It's too bad hashish doesn't come in I.V. form so that you can inject it straight into your bloodstream, it would be perfect for you.

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You are welcome for your injection. Same time tomorrow?

P.S. you're the one with poop in your blood.
     
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P.S. you're the one with poop in your blood.
P.S. you're the one with poop in your brains.

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Jun 6, 2012, 03:31 PM
 
Ok mods, feel free to lock the thread.

Also, holy shit this is disgraceful to the human race.
     
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P.S. you're the one with toke in your brains.

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You eat toke, breathe toke, you *are* toke.
     
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See that guy on the right, Turtle? That is you.

     
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Just because a person is working for the state (e. g. as a police man, a law clerk or in the mayor's office of a small town) doesn't mean they're »parasitically sucking you dry«. It's necessary that somebody is doing these jobs, otherwise the state wouldn't exist.
I have no problem paying them a salary for their work comparable to what they would get in the private sector like the rest of us. There's just simply no reason that they should get it BETTER for doing the same amount/type of work just because they are employed by a government that isn't concerned about the "bottom line" and will just redistribute the wealth of others to give better wages/perks to those who haven't done anything extra to get them.

If I'm paying taxes so that someone working for the state doesn't have to pay anything for their pensions or health insurance, and I AND MOST ALL OTHERS DO HAVE TO, then every dime taken from me is a suck to my wallet, IMO.
     
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I have no problem paying them a salary for their work comparable to what they would get in the private sector like the rest of us. There's just simply no reason that they should get it BETTER for doing the same amount/type of work just because they are employed by a government that isn't concerned about the "bottom line" and will just redistribute the wealth of others to give better wages/perks to those who haven't done anything extra to get them.

If I'm paying taxes so that someone working for the state doesn't have to pay anything for their pensions or health insurance, and I AND MOST ALL OTHERS DO HAVE TO, then every dime taken from me is a suck to my wallet, IMO.

But just what leads you to this generalization that the majority of government workers have it made, have the easy life compared to the same sorts of jobs in the private sector? I'd say that it is difficult to bring home a fat salary with the majority of government jobs.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 04:19 PM
 
The reason I like to find Turtle's emotional buttons is because I really love those Where's Waldo books, and this is just like those books. All of these different emotional triggers are like all of those fake Waldos in the books that always fool you, but it is so rewarding when you find the real Waldo. Like the Waldo books, I think that behind all of those fake Waldo decoys is the real Waldo, and I want to find that real Waldo.
     
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post


An awful lot of sore winners in here.
You think I'd consider sending my kid to a public school? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh damn, that's hilarious!
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The effects of political agendas are far more devastating now than in the past.
I don't think this is true. How many soldiers died in Vietnam versus Iraq?

People are more acrimonious now because so many of the issues under discussion have little or no value. That's why the Obama-hate is so annoying, because he didn't transform the Clinton-era surplus into a craterous deficit with a pointless war, ruining the reputation of the USA with torture, and transforming every airport in America into a circus of molestation and ineptitude.

But in an issue that does matter, the Republicans didn't get to crush the private sector unions during the auto industry restructuring, so they are crowing about curb-stomping some teachers as a proxy. Hurray, yet another Koch-funded governor has been saved by the power of the Citizens United ruling.

Correction: Citizens United, not Americans United.
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You think I'd consider sending my kid to a public school? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh damn, that's hilarious!
Just keep crowing about all those dollars you have, and forget about the quality of education that the children of the common man enjoys. Because we all know you don't give a sh!t about anyone but yourself.

EDIT: Is this you?
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I have no problem paying them a salary for their work comparable to what they would get in the private sector like the rest of us.
That would be a pay raise for public school teachers, you know, the primary targets of Walker's scorched-earth policies.
     
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Just keep crowing about all those dollars you have, and forget about the quality of education that the children of the common man enjoys. Because we all know you don't give a sh!t about anyone but yourself.
Oh, poor baby. You completely misunderstand, again. I care about a lot of people, most people, in fact. I just don't care about you, or other little vicious hatemongers like you. We've given more to charity in the last year than you'll make for the rest of your life, most of which isn't even tax deductible. I know, that's a stunner.

As for "education that the children of the common man enjoys", I lived my childhood in the house of the "common man" and my parents sacrificed and busted their asses to send me to private school. They gave their all to provide me with a better opportunity, in this day I don't see many people doing that anymore. In memory of that, and in my parents' names, we pay for an entire children's home to attend private school. I think that's 28, maybe 29 kids. Then there are scholarships, for college or trade school. Those kids have had a tough time, worse than most, and if anyone deserves a change of fortune it's them. Of course, that's one example, I can list more. What is it that you do again?
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Jun 6, 2012, 05:53 PM
 
I can understand setting some restrictions, but not removing collective bargaining all-together. I'd rather there'd be some compromise. Unfortunately, the state of our country doesn't seem to care about compromise. It's all "you're either with us or against us!"

The entire state will now be staffed by H-1B visas and illegal immigrants. Good luck Wisconsin.
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Oh, poor baby. You completely misunderstand, again. I care about a lot of people, most people, in fact. I just don't care about you, or other little vicious hatemongers like you. We've given more to charity in the last year than you'll make for the rest of your life, most of which isn't even tax deductible. I know, that's a stunner.

As for "education that the children of the common man enjoys", I lived my childhood in the house of the "common man" and my parents sacrificed and busted their asses to send me to private school. They gave their all to provide me with a better opportunity, in this day I don't see many people doing that anymore. In memory of that, and in my parents' names, we pay for an entire children's home to attend private school. I think that's 28, maybe 29 kids. Then there are scholarships, for college or trade school. Those kids have had a tough time, worse than most, and if anyone deserves a change of fortune it's them. Of course, that's one example, I can list more. What is it that you do again?
I love the internet: anyone can make whatever political pronouncements against the poor ("fnck public schools!!") and then try to wiggle out of it by claiming unproveable charity.

You flipped off public education, hence you flipped off millions and millions of people. You can't wipe that out with even more bragging about your money.

We've given more to charity in the last year than you'll make for the rest of your life
This doesn't make you an ethical person, because you only think it's a license to brag. You're the worse type of rich person: one that *brags* about being charitable.
     
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Jun 6, 2012, 06:33 PM
 
There's no way I could afford private school for my kids. My husband is a school teacher.
     
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There's no way I could afford private school for my kids. My husband is a school teacher.

Perhaps before we talk about putting kids through private schools we should talk about how to get them through college/university?
     
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I was very pleased that the good people of Wisconsin saw through the BS Union thuggery and decided it's not best that a group of people under the auspice of a political wing could privately appeal to the government for more money and benefits to be paid by the good people of Wisconsin. Walker's measures of austerity have already created a budget surplus for his State in short order along with rising employment numbers.

Let the nationwide union-busting begin.
We're back to that again I see. As I already pointed out here, the supposed "deficit" that Wisconsin was facing was totally manufactured by Gov. Walker and his allies due to "$140 million in new spending for special-interest groups" that primarily comprise the wealthy. On top of that, public sector unions had already agreed to wage cuts and higher pension plan contributions. So when Gov. Walker and his conservative allies argued that additional measures were necessary to address the "deficit" ... that was a misrepresentation of the highest order. What riled up so many people was that Walker used a "deficit" of his own making to strip public sector unions of their collective bargaining rights in the following areas going forward ... as in well after the so-called deficit situation was resolved:

A) Working Conditions and Benefits - completely gone.

B) Wages - limit collective bargaining to a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) per year maximum. Even if they had gone a decade or two with pay freezes. Even if economic conditions had dramatically improved..

C) Require a vote to re-certify the union every year.

So you're right. It was union busting plain and simple. But the actions taken to do so had nothing to do with the fiscal situation (manufactured or otherwise) at hand. It did, however, have everything to do with emasculating the power of unions going forward. As we all know labor unions are major contributors to the Democratic party. So from a purely partisan perspective, these policies are a "win" for the GOP. But from a democratic (as is small "d") perspective, I truly think this is bad for the country long-term because it significantly diminishes a key political force in our society. Especially in a post-Citizens United era. The genius of our political model lies within the "checks and balances" that are embedded in the system. We have that between the branches of government itself via the Constitution. We have it between the Democrats and the GOP with the two-party system. And we also have it to a certain degree between the classes in our society via Labor Unions and Corporations. The interests of the working/middle class is advocated by the former whereas the interests of the investor class is advocated by the latter. In the long-run I simply don't think it's wise to enable certain segments of society to run rough-shod over others. Circumstances change. And those who are in an advantaged segment in the short-term can easily find themselves in a disadvantaged segment in the long-term.

That being said, as I mentioned before in the other thread I was very ambivalent about this whole recall election. While I supported the protests that erupted to push back against GOP overreach, I simply think that a recall is a course of action that should be reserved for serious corruption or criminal offenses. And according to the exit polling, apparently a significant number of people also opposed Gov. Walker's "divide and conquer" tactics ... but still didn't think he should be kicked out of office because of them. Which is a significant factor in the 10 point victory margin. Not to mention the fact that the GOP outspent the Dems by a 7 to 1 margin .... 70% of it from out-of-state money, primarily from corporate and wealthy contributors. We can thank Citizens United for that. And that ought to give anyone who doesn't confuse democracy with oligarchy reason for pause ... regardless of one's party affiliation. Because no one has the financial resources to compete with Corporate America and the 1% at that game. Now if it were up to me campaign finance would be simple:

1. If you can't vote in an election you can't make financial contributions to influence it ... directly or indirectly.

2. Financial contributions for an election should be limited to prevent the wealthy from having undue influence.

Such an approach would eliminate Corporations, Labor Unions, Super PACs, etc. from the campaign finance process altogether while still allowing VOTERS to contribute on a level playing field. I suspect the outcome may have been different if this had been the case. But I suppose that's a discussion for another thread.

OAW
( Last edited by OAW; Jun 6, 2012 at 08:57 PM. )
     
 
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