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solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 05:27 PM

I just got it installed last night.
there are some quirks, but for the most part it has a good next step feel to it.
I will answer questions as well as check out things for you.

cybergoober · Jun 25, 2007, 05:34 PM

Uh... This will likely be locked. You either pirated it, or would be violating your NDA if you had it legitimately.

Chuckit · Jun 25, 2007, 05:37 PM

MacNN doesn't usually lock threads about prerelease software. We just don't offer support for either using or obtaining pirated software.

lpkmckenna · Jun 25, 2007, 05:39 PM

Can I turn off that translucent menu-bar nonsense?

Kar98 · Jun 25, 2007, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Can I turn off that translucent menu-bar nonsense?

Yes.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 11:00 PM

i have not tried. let me see though...
i would not be breaking any agreement, negative nellie...
i am sharing my experiences with the features that they have already showed you...

chabig · Jun 25, 2007, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Kar98

Yes.

How?

Big Mac · Jun 25, 2007, 11:13 PM

$1M question: Does the Finder menu-task?

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

$1M question: Does the Finder menu-task?

meaning?

nerd · Jun 25, 2007, 11:31 PM

Here's what I want to know. Mount a network share, pull the ethernet cable and see if you get the beach ball. I'm always forgetting to unmount drives on my MBP and I can't do a thing for about 2 minutes when I open it back up at work.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by nerd

Here's what I want to know. Mount a network share, pull the ethernet cable and see if you get the beach ball. I'm always forgetting to unmount drives on my MBP and I can't do a thing for about 2 minutes when I open it back up at work.

sorry, i would if i had one here...

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2007, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

$1M question: Does the Finder menu-task?

If you're asking what I think you're asking, normal event processing while menus are open was intentionally disabled in 10.3.

MartiNZ · Jun 26, 2007, 01:01 AM

If you delete a track in iTunes and ask it to move it to the trash, does the trash update in the dock to indicate there's something in it? Six years waiting on this one

.

Big Mac · Jun 26, 2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

If you're asking what I think you're asking, normal event processing while menus are open was intentionally disabled in 10.3.

That's interesting. I don't recall Jaguar's Finder menu-tasking either.

Menu-tasking - when graphical updates in windows of a given application continue even when a menu from said application is being displayed. Start a large copy operation in the Finder and then click on a Finder menu - you'll see that while the menu is open the copy dialog box is prevented from updating.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 01:51 AM

No, it does not menutask.

k2director · Jun 26, 2007, 02:04 AM

How is screen sharing activated? Through iChat still, or something else?

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2007, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

That's interesting. I don't recall Jaguar's Finder menu-tasking either.

You're probably right. I just remember a release note to that effect in Panther, because I thought it seemed like kind of an odd decision.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 02:13 AM

I believe the desicion was made to make menus never seem sluggish. Kind of like the last thing that should stop moving before a complete system freeze is your cursor.

Now with much faster computers it seems a bit anachronistic though, but I can understand the rationale behind it.

moonmonkey · Jun 26, 2007, 03:37 AM

Can you let me know if Front Row works in all machines?
Can it play DVD's?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by k2director

How is screen sharing activated? Through iChat still, or something else?

Both iChat and Finder has it. I can't test if it's working though.

Naplander · Jun 26, 2007, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by MartiNZ

If you delete a track in iTunes and ask it to move it to the trash, does the trash update in the dock to indicate there's something in it? Six years waiting on this one

.

ditto !!!

zerostar · Jun 26, 2007, 07:40 AM

Where do you set the menu bar transparency?

brokenjago · Jun 26, 2007, 08:18 AM

Can you let me know if Front Row works in all machines?
Can it play DVD's?

Yes and Yes.

moonmonkey · 01:56 PM

Yes, please post a screenshot of the place where you configure the toolbar transparency, until I see it I don't believe it.

Please don't fiddle with the size tag, people! -- OreoCookie

moonmonkey · Jun 26, 2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by brokenjago

Yes and Yes.

Do you have it installed too, or are you just guessing?

Taylor C · Jun 26, 2007, 09:23 AM

There is currently no option to turn off the adaptive menu bar, I've looked, believe me.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by MartiNZ

If you delete a track in iTunes and ask it to move it to the trash, does the trash update in the dock to indicate there's something in it? Six years waiting on this one

.

ah ha.... i was looking at this the other day. it is odd.
i will check it for you shortly.
when those tracks are deleted, do they ever go away?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by k2director

How is screen sharing activated? Through iChat still, or something else?

can i get a bit more info on what you are asking here>?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Can you let me know if Front Row works in all machines?
Can it play DVD's?

i do not see an area for dvd's, but that may be because there is no dvd in the drive.
also i do not know if front row works on other machines. i have a macbook pro and it works on there. it also appears to read divx movies.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by zerostar

Where do you set the menu bar transparency?

i only see it on the main menu and no where else that i noticed.
i do not know how to turn it off either.

solofx7 · 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Yes, please post a screenshot of the place where you configure the toolbar transparency, until I see it I don't believe it.

sorry i am so late with my responses, i am in the states.
i do not know where to do this, but i will look and post pictures.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Do you have it installed too, or are you just guessing?

i do have it installed, and without a dvd in the drive there is no option for dvd on the main menu or the sub movie menu.
it may differ if you put a dvd in though.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Taylor C

There is currently no option to turn off the adaptive menu bar, I've looked, believe me.

i have read that you can turn it off, but i too have not found it, i have looked everywhere,,,

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 09:57 AM

any more questions?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 10:07 AM

Many Tricks � Web Log

Macola · Jun 26, 2007, 01:16 PM

Does iCal (finally) support recurring tasks (to-dos)?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Macola

Does iCal (finally) support recurring tasks (to-dos)?

i will check that shortly...
ical looks nearly the same though. just sharper and cooler.

lpkmckenna · Jun 26, 2007, 02:54 PM

Does Spotlight still have its own window, or is it now a Finder window?

Did they fix the analog clock in the menu-bar?

Can you put two windows from the same app in different Spaces?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Does Spotlight still have its own window, or is it now a Finder window?

Did they fix the analog clock in the menu-bar?

Can you put two windows from the same app in different Spaces?

when you click show all in a finder search it opens in a finder window-coverflow style...

Did they fix the analog clock in the menu-bar? meaning?

yes you can have two different windows from the same app open in different windows...

goMac · Jun 26, 2007, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

i have not tried. let me see though...
i would not be breaking any agreement, negative nellie...
i am sharing my experiences with the features that they have already showed you...

As a developer, I can tell you that you are violating your NDA, if you even have one. You are not allowed to discuss the build in any way, shape, or form with people who do not have an NDA. You are allowed to discuss information Apple has publicly released. Given that your answering questions about things Apple has not talked about (hence the topic of this thread), you are in violation of your NDA.

I hope you're not a real developer, because that would give Apple more ways and means to pursue action against you, in addition to yanking your developer account you paid for.

k2director · Jun 26, 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Both iChat and Finder has it. I can't test if it's working though.

Thanks!

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

As a developer, I can tell you that you are violating your NDA, if you even have one. You are not allowed to discuss the build in any way, shape, or form with people who do not have an NDA. You are allowed to discuss information Apple has publicly released. Given that your answering questions about things Apple has not talked about (hence the topic of this thread), you are in violation of your NDA.

I hope you're not a real developer, because that would give Apple more ways and means to pursue action against you, in addition to yanking your developer account you paid for.

If he doesn't have an NDA, he's not very well violating one, is he? Now reach back and remove the stick.

Nexus5 · Jun 26, 2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

i have not tried. let me see though...
i would not be breaking any agreement, negative nellie...
i am sharing my experiences with the features that they have already showed you...

How old are you? 12?

nexus5.

goMac · Jun 26, 2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

If he doesn't have an NDA, he's not very well violating one, is he? Now reach back and remove the stick.

No, but then he's discussing pirated software, which falls under another category on this board...

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2007, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

No, but then he's discussing pirated software, which falls under another category on this board...

Yep. The category of "things that are allowed." The only things the rules forbid are asking for help pirating something or offering to help others pirate things. People here have discussed prerelease operating systems since before OS X even came out.

shinji · Jun 26, 2007, 05:13 PM

How do you like stacks? Are they more convenient or just annoying?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

As a developer, I can tell you that you are violating your NDA, if you even have one. You are not allowed to discuss the build in any way, shape, or form with people who do not have an NDA. You are allowed to discuss information Apple has publicly released. Given that your answering questions about things Apple has not talked about (hence the topic of this thread), you are in violation of your NDA.

I hope you're not a real developer, because that would give Apple more ways and means to pursue action against you, in addition to yanking your developer account you paid for.

hmm... maybe you are right or wrong, but before jumping down my throat you may want to ask me instead of assuming one or the other.
in any event I will not answer anymore questions as I do not want to get modded.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Yep. The category of "things that are allowed." The only things the rules forbid are asking for help pirating something or offering to help others pirate things. People here have discussed prerelease operating systems since before OS X even came out.

if i am a developer or not I am confused by this attack on me by the mod.
but this software has been talked about by everyone and I am not discussing anything that has not been announced or talked about by anyone else on this board or any other.
as this is the second time that I have come under attack by a mod on this board (unjustly I might add) so as I enjoy this board I will not make anymore comments, though there is the official leopard thread that everyone is talking about leopard and disclosing quite a bit more than I have.
I do apologize as I did not know this board and the moderators were directly employed by Apple and are "legally" empowered to enforce the NDA...
if so I would like to see the copy you speak of.
I am being somewhat smart, but I will state for the record, before calling me names or trying to put me in a category, and or threatening me you may want to ask me who I am or talk to me. In any event I am sorry if I broke any of the board rules and will now "go away" on my own accord.

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by shinji

How do you like stacks? Are they more convenient or just annoying?

sorry, I cannot answer this as I do not want to be "modded" before I am talked to.
I may suggest to go to the Official Leopard thread on this board.

goMac · Jun 26, 2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

I do apologize as I did not know this board and the moderators were directly employed by Apple and are "legally" empowered to enforce the NDA...
if so I would like to see the copy you speak of.

The forum has a rule on discussing pirated software in general. For other pieces of software, it's usually left alone because you don't know whether the poster actually has pirated the software or not. But for Leopard it's pretty clear. Either you're a developer, in which case you are under NDA, or you pirated it.

Either way I'm not a mod, but as far as I remember this sort of discussion has been frowned upon in the past. Talking about a leak by another party is generally permitted, but first hand discussion of pirated Leopard builds...