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View Poll Results: Are you buying it?
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Well, yeah! 7 votes (38.89%)
Probably. It's not at the top of my list though. 2 votes (11.11%)
Nope. I hate Halo. 6 votes (33.33%)
I'm holding off; I don't know if I'm interested anymore 3 votes (16.67%)
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One major difference between the DMR and BR is that you need to be scoped in to get headshots consistently, otherwise after a few shots from the hip the accuracy gets real bad.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
So what's up with the ranking system? It's based on CR? That is really weird.
They probably wanted to get the ranking system closer to MW2, rather than based on skill. But from what I heard the skill system is still involved in there somewhere. You seem to get CR for everything.
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There's skill based matchmaking, but it appears its completely hidden now as its the only way to stop people fro manipulating it.
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 11:24 AM
 
Jesus Christ, bungie as added some interesting new stats for kill and death. (more later)
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Jesus Christ, bungie as added some interesting new stats for kill and death. (more later)
I hadvent looked at bungie.net yet but I was hoping they would revamp it for Reach, it was great for halo 3 already but I'm always up for more stat tracking
     
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Originally Posted by Leonard View Post
They probably wanted to get the ranking system closer to MW2, rather than based on skill. But from what I heard the skill system is still involved in there somewhere. You seem to get CR for everything.
Speaking of CR their unlock system looks retarded. When I started the game it showed three visors - two of which were locked. I unlocked a fourth last night, but technically thats not correct. I now see a fourth that is also locked. So it looks like there' double-unlocking going on (though what's the point on hiding it in the first place?). They also don't seem to tell you how to unlock them.
     
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So it looks like there' double-unlocking going on (though what's the point on hiding it in the first place?). They also don't seem to tell you how to unlock them.
Geez, I thought there was only two ways of unlocking them (microsoft unlock code or CR), and didn't have a clue there was some sort of double-unlocking going on.

You sure you're not confusing unlocking the Avatar awards with unlocking in-game armor? I find that unlikely, but now-adays with achievements, avatar awards, challenges and now this new armor buying system it gets confusing. OR, just thought of this, do you have to uunlock the item in gameplay, BEFORE you can purchase it (unlocking it again in a way). I thought you could just purchase armor items as soon as you have the CR for it.
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"Prerequisites not met"
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 02:39 PM
 
Alright, time for the good stuff:

Carnage



This falls in line with something I had wanted back during 3 days – namely a way to see how the flow of the game went (primarily, lead changes)
Here, unfortunately, our crushing victory is borked for some reason.




Still, there's a smaller separate one for each player. Its a little dicey, because 9.3 isn't the most useful benchmark for kills.
Also visible are some new stats – average distances that kills and deaths occurred at. Here you can see the only way to kill me was with a melee.
(Not sure what the rating means yet)

k/d spread


Feels like they missed their own point by leaving out the dips, but overall, its nice to see a run of four games where I went +3 or better.

Streaks


They did something similar with wins and losses. As you can see I am a streaky (yet consistent) mother****er. 4-4-2-4-3.

...and finally


It's still not a simplified number, but at least they give you a percentage when you mouse over, which is progress.
You'll still have to do math if you want a normal win/loss record.
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 03:51 PM
 
Ugh...I love stats. That's some really impressive stuff.
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 03:56 PM
 
Some really cool individual ones:


Finishing strong.



Barn burner.



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Sep 16, 2010, 04:26 PM
 
Hahaha... Taking trash and using bungie.net stats to back it up. Oh how I have missed this.

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Sep 16, 2010, 04:28 PM
 
I'm not trash-talking, ass.
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 04:37 PM
 
Looking at stats online is almost a mini-game in and of itself.
     
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There's a minimum of 8 people to mouse-overper game, and once you switch to carnage, a minimum of 8 people to tab to look at their weapon use. bungie hasn't quite figured out the most efficient way to dole out all this info.

My main usability gripe is that the <back forward> buttons for matches are atop the useless blue v red pic when you spend all your time at the bottom looking at the match players (and that on a 21" iMac I need to scroll because of that huge useless graphic)
     
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Originally Posted by Leonard View Post
They probably wanted to get the ranking system closer to MW2, rather than based on skill. But from what I heard the skill system is still involved in there somewhere. You seem to get CR for everything.
Yup, it's just as dumb. Someone who goes 20 and 30 will rank up faster than someone going 10 and 5.
     
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I almost forgot.

When it split the teams APsolid and I had a DMR battle that I ended up winning. He cried 'bullsh!t' and then I ran over and tea-bagged the shit out of him,. He was not amused.
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 05:58 PM
 
BTW Fatty, your call sign being SEAN is killing me. BLOB seems more appropriate (and more unique).
     
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Sep 16, 2010, 06:01 PM
 
One of the things that we really want to do a better job with Reach is [highlighting] the guys out there who do like their Halo maybe differently than, for instance, I like mine. I like head shots, I like killing people with a sniper rifle, I like all that stuff. But there are guys that we've encountered along the way who just love to drive; they just want to drive people around. We haven't really done a great job of reinforcing that kind of behavior in the past and the Commendation system is one way we're doing that.
From an article that is older than god I just read.
     
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Hey, I made it in a big rush.

I'll think of some Fatty-related ones for tonight, like the numerous tags I used in MW2.
     
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Awwww-sh!t! Do you know what time it is?



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Sep 16, 2010, 08:41 PM
 
and so it starts...
Fatty o ramas to come?
So with the games of BTB last night whats Dakar's feelings around vehicle combat compared to H3?

EDIT: got a little further in the campaign only to find a new armor ability i must of not used before... regenerating health bubble shield (thats for you fatty)

EDIT 2: my early bet is this tread overtakes MW2
     
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Yup, it's just as dumb. Someone who goes 20 and 30 will rank up faster than someone going 10 and 5.
Geez, if that was the case, I'd be waaaayyyyy ahead of you. I've only had one positive match (I definitely kept the movie of that one - it's in my fileshare). I had a few break even. But I think most of my matches have been negative so far.

But most of the matches have been fun so far, with the exception of a couple.

Nice to see the return of Blood Gulch.

Snipers must love Halo:Reach. Most of the maps I played have good Sniper spots - Paradiso has a nice sniper ledge on the mountain, The Spire map is a sniper map (took me awhile to see there was a HUGE tower).
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Damn what have they done to the hornet... that's no hornet. More like a hawk.
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Aftermath of the orbital strike.

Firefight with Jetpacks and Rockets was tons of fun.
     
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Originally Posted by Kevin Bogues View Post
So with the games of BTB last night whats Dakar's feelings around vehicle combat compared to H3?
I'm pretty sure they put slicks on the warthogs, because they just have zero traction. It's really sad. I can still feel when its getting pelted by DMR shots, too.

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EDIT 2: my early bet is this tread overtakes MW2
I didn't realize there was so little difference between the MW2 and H3 thread, but it took a year for the H3 thread to accumulate 40 pages. So I'm going to go with no.



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Geez, if that was the case, I'd be waaaayyyyy ahead of you. I've only had one positive match (I definitely kept the movie of that one - it's in my fileshare). I had a few break even. But I think most of my matches have been negative so far.
You'd have to average more kills a game than me.
     
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Sep 17, 2010, 10:31 AM
 
Two things:

• Apparently I have to hold the melee button to perform an assassination
• Flaming helmets came with the legendary edition. we've met no bungiers. which explains why they've been so all over the place in quality


Observations:

• Gotta wonder about matchmaking quality when it decided subie and crosbie were the best guys to compete against the four better Halo players in the group.
• I think it's harder to enjoy Halo when you're losing (Compared to MW2). We ended up closing the night out with Firefight because we were sick of multi, but I looked at our w/l (and my k/d), and it wasn't anything terrible (4-4, not counting the game against each other and our final game before firefight).
• I'm not sure I've played all of them, but the maps are terrible. Particularly in Invasion. That map was as wide-open as they come (and fatty thinks a bunch are remakes, too).
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
• Flaming helmets came with the legendary edition.
Ok. That explains what I saw. I've seen one or two of these already.

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• I'm not sure I've played all of them, but the maps are terrible. Particularly in Invasion. That map was as wide-open as they come (and fatty thinks a bunch are remakes, too).
I agree with you that the maps have alot of open areas and not much cover. Paradiso, in the rock area provides some cover, but there are alot of open areas.

I'll have to check out Invasion this weekend. I haven't played it. I've stayed in my comfort area of Big Team Battle.
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I dont question the matchmaking YET, I just think there isn't a whole lot of data to use, I don't think any of us have played enough games to have a solid average

And about firefight, I thought that single match stuff would be boring but I actually really enjoyed it, especially the rockets and jetpacks ( maybe because I was getting every medal in the world)
     
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You were spawncamping the ****ers.

After i got off last night I noticed I was 16 grunt kills shy of the daily challenge. Got royally screwed on cr there.
...and with that sentence, I officially despise the new system.
     
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Early on in either our second or third BTB game I got booted for betrayel, I hit a warthog head on with a ghost around a blind turn and both of us died, how does that kid have the option to boot me? I don't remember it beingthat way in H3
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
You were spawncamping the ****ers.

After i got off last night I noticed I was 16 grunt kills shy of the daily challenge. Got royally screwed on cr there.
...and with that sentence, I officially despise the new system.
I got that challenge actually, nice 1500 credits.
You did get screwed
By the way the spawncamping worked haha
     
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Yeah, the betrayal option is coming up after one kill for some reason. I had a game with fatty earlier in the night where I somehow got to double boot, ended up finishing a close game of team snipers 2 on 4, which was way to our advantage.
     
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By the way the spawncamping worked haha
Ask crosbie why that is.
     
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Oh, and we have our first casualty of the gameplay already:



...and that doesn't even count if saint backs out of the pact to buy this game.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Ask crosbie why that is.
Crosbie? Why that is?
I didn't have a mic, was there continuous bitching about kill stealing
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Oh, and we have our first casualty of the gameplay already:



...and that doesn't even count if saint backs out of the pact to buy this game.
What happened?
Side note: anyone know what kind of WRX he has ?
     
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What happened?
He hates the gameplay because, arguably, it's terrible.

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Side note: anyone know what kind of WRX he has ?
He just bought it. Manual hatchback. If you have more questions I can pass them along.
     
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He just bought it. Manual hatchback. If you have more questions I can pass them along.
Since you mentioned it, year and color?
     
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Either 2010 or 2011 (if they're out). Sadly, it's white.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
He hates the gameplay because, arguably, it's terrible.

He just bought it. Manual hatchback. If you have more questions I can pass them along.
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Either 2010 or 2011 (if they're out). Sadly, it's white.
Nice! If it's a 2011 then it's the new widebody and pics are needed!
Tell him he needs the Cobb stage 1, best $600 you can spend
     
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Question: What would happen to this game if you removed the BR DMR? Think about it.
     
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Tell him he needs the Cobb stage 1, best $600 you can spend
Apparently he's going Stage 2.

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Euthyphro emailed me at work. I told him I was obligated to post it here.

Remember when I first really started getting into MW2, and we had some emails where you were giving me tips and advice? And then we had a gaming session or two where I watched and you gave me advice? Well, I come to drink from the fountain of your wisdom once more, oh gaming guru. How the f-ck do I stop sucking at Halo?
     
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Apparently he's going Stage 2.
Even better, too bad he gave up halo so early , we could of discussed subie stuff while I DMRed him in face
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I need to trick him into joining these forums somehow.
     
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I need to trick him into joining these forums somehow.
I've been trying to get apsolid here forever, I told him since he has an iPhone now he has a good reason to troll other areas and post in gaming
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Question: What would happen to this game if you removed the BR DMR? Think about it.
You'd have close quarters fighting, because without the DMR, all the weapons are only good at short distances (except the sniper rifle).
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I think Euthyphro, and the other from that crew are still stuck in the MW2 mindset.

Halo requires a much bolder approach and a much more aggressive style of play. Hanging back nets you nothing, no special weapons no special vehicles no special areas. I'e done well at Reach, and Halo in general, because I play balls to the wall. Even if your shields are down and somebody is in front of you, all you have to do is jump around a little, spam some nades and hope for the best. It's a whole different approach from a game like MW2.

I'm surprised that Subie still hated it so much even in the presence of a large party. If a group of friends isn't enough to hit the fun factor for him, I don't think anything will.

Oh yeah, about those maps, I've seen remakes of:

Sanctuary (Halo 2)
Ivory Tower (Halo 2)
Blood Gultch (Halo 2 and 1)
Ascension (Halo 2)

I'm sure there are more.

The re-using of map designs, and that f**king loadout menu are my two biggest gripes so far.
     
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You'd have close quarters fighting, because without the DMR, all the weapons are only good at short distances (except the sniper rifle).
Isn't that kind of retarded?

Edit: Not to mention unbalanced?
     
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Befroe Halo 2, and the BR, Halo was more of a CQB type of game with sniping thrown in.
     
 
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