[Superchicken]

OK, My Harddrive is now clicking... and... it won't get past the Boot screen, with the swirly thing under the apple and... I WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT BACK UP ANYTHING! Actually to put this in perspective, I was stupid enough to delete my last back up but was to busy to make a new one...

Worst of all, I tried to start an archive install, but for some reason it stopped JUST into the install, so I think it's a part of the HD or something, either way... GAHHH!

Someone please shoot me, I think I might have just deleted like... nearly everything I've done on my computer in like... years... Dang I'm an idiot...

[badidea]

I can feel your loss! One of my 120GB drives died not very long ago!
I didn't lose really important stuff though... (and still didn't make a backup of my important stuff 'cause I don't know whereto backup the remaining 340GB )

[Superchicken]

Worst of all, I've been thinking, "you know I should do a new back up" but... I was just to busy, and sick and busy then sick again... and... yah... grr this makes me sooo frustrated! Now I'm probably gona have to pay a whole buncha money just to get the thing looked at, and the way my Christmas break's been going I probably won't have a thing that's salvageable.

[alphasubzero949]

I spent the week before Christmas getting back all 60 GB of my data because TechTool destroyed my volume structure while removing the eDrive. Fortunately I backed up all of my stuff onto 40+ CDs beforehand.

[Mastrap]

You deleted a back-up? Wtf?

It does look like you're up the creek here, unfortunately and I am sorry to hear it. HD failure is never fun. On the positive side, not backing up is a mistake most people make only once. If it makes you feel better, I too learned this lesson the hard way, many moons ago.

Data loss will happen.

PS: Damn. Didn't you just spend a fair bit of cash in the iTunes shop? That does suck.

[Superchicken]

Yup

Fortunately that's on my iPod... that said... I can't remember exactly what iTunes likes to do when you connect an iPod to a Mac... though the first time iTunes didn't even launch so hopefully I'll be able to get that all off before it tried to sync... otherwise I'm screwed on that front too

Dang... three years of photos... just about every poem I've written... this is less than lovely.

[Mastrap]

No, as long as your music is on your iPod you're good. When you get your PB back and plug the iPod in it will ask you if you want to synch with iTunes. Whatever you do, don't hit the 'yes' button.

Instead get yourself one of the many iPod management utilities on versiontracker and get your music off the iPod and onto the PB first. Then you can re-synch the two without trouble.

[storer]

My iPod scares me
It jumps out from behind things.

[Superchicken]

Anyone know of the iPod will work via USB 1.1 with my iMac? With the USB 2 cable?

[Superchicken]

By the way, how good is diskwarrior? I was just thinking, I haven't written anything over top of most of the HD I deleted my backup from... I could at least grab most of my photo collection I think... wonder if it's worth buying...

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Anyone know of the iPod will work via USB 1.1 with my iMac? With the USB 2 cable?

Won't work, sorry. USB 1 works with USB 2, not the other way around.

[badidea]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
By the way, how good is diskwarrior? I was just thinking, I haven't written anything over top of most of the HD I deleted my backup from... I could at least grab most of my photo collection I think... wonder if it's worth buying...

DiskWarrior is worth every penny! It's the best!
But if your HD is really dead (and from the sounds you are describing, it is!) it won't help either... (in my case, DW just never stopped diagnosting my HD because the HDs head was stuck somewhere)

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Won't work, sorry. USB 1 works with USB 2, not the other way around.

It works, I attached a windows formatted iPod mini with the USB cable to my TiBook which has USB 1.1 ports. It was really slow but it worked.

[OptimusG4]

Originally posted by Goldfinger:
It works, I attached a windows formatted iPod mini with the USB cable to my TiBook which has USB 1.1 ports. It was really slow but it worked.

Agreed. You can do this but the speed loss is noticeable.

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
Agreed. You can do this but the speed loss is noticeable.

Really? I stand corrected.

[Shaddim]

chicken, first thing, calm down.

Now, let the powerbook sit for a day. Don't try turning it on, leave it alone. After sitting for 24hrs try powering it on, be ready to do immediate backups, and start backing up as soon as you get to the desktop. In other words, don't screw around with it. Grab everything you can, as fast as you can. It probably won't last long, but it might spin up long enough to get all the important data copied off of it.

good luck.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
By the way, how good is diskwarrior?

You should have bought it the day you got your computer.
I don't know how anyone who has been around for computers for a while can not own some sort of utility for when things inevitably go wrong. Keep your laptop off until you get a copy of it and then pray you can stabilize the drive long enough to back up.

If data is important to a person they should always assume it can be destroyed at any time. Even backups to an external drive can fail. You should have had multiple CDs or DVDs of this stuff made. You are just as bad as that guy whose dad lost his mathematics research. I hope you learned a lesson.

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
You are just as bad as that guy whose dad lost his mathematics research. I hope you learned a lesson.

Oh, stop being such a pompous arse. The chicken knows he's made a mistake. It happens to all of us.

And we all know that you've got insurance for everything.

[uberwrensch]

You've tried booting off the original OS disc and run the diagnostic thingy on there? Just curious. In any case, I'd second a previous poster's advice: try DiskWarrior.

. not much $
. what do you have to lose?
. you'll have a copy for your next (and any current) machine

Just pop in DW and try to boot from it.

Uber

[brapper]

The clicking is the sound of your drive dying. It happened to me last year. You may be able to recover from it but I sugest using target mode and one of your 'converted friend's' computer.
You gotta back up to your iPod from now on though - at least your documents.

[ASIMO]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Oh, stop being such a pompous arse. The chicken knows he's made a mistake. It happens to all of us.

And we all know that you've got insurance for everything.

How dare you speak to the Captain Oblivious in that tone of text? Consider yourself vaporized if ever he finds you in that vast white northern tundra we call Canucka.

Remember, kids: What is oblivious to you is obvious to the Captain.

[Superchicken]

Is target mode dependent on the OS? I've thought of trying to get my friend with a PowerBook (all my other converts are either out of province or I don't have their numbers) but I'm not sure if it's worth it, I think I might have fubared everything with my attempted Archive install.

[olePigeon]

Probably why tape drives will never go out of fashion. They don't crash.

[Superchicken]

olePigeon, I dono if it's the delirium setting in from HD failure, or the fact that I'm really tired and on some flu meds, but your sig made me laugh out loud.

Oh, and on another bright sunny note, I weighed myself today and I'm a lil more than 30 pounds less than I was in June, which is ten pounds less than I was a month or so ago, last time I weighed myself.

Sidenote: My question about diskwarrior was for my iMac which I did the backup onto, not for the PowerBook. That said, I never realized how clunky my Apple Pro keyboard was until I switched from my PowerBook's, I think if I ever got a Power Mac I'd wanna take a PB's keyboard and stick it on the desk.. if I could.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
By the way, how good is diskwarrior? I was just thinking, I haven't written anything over top of most of the HD I deleted my backup from... I could at least grab most of my photo collection I think... wonder if it's worth buying...

If you are getting the click of death on your drive which would probably indicate it was dead or on it's way out you might not be able to use diskwarrior on it. It might tell you that your drive is bad or something but other than that you might not be able to recover anything from it. You might want to use one of the file recovery tools such as File Salvage (From Sub Rosa) or Data Rescue (from Prosoft) I believe one of them will recover stuff from a drive that has not had anything new written on it. Also it should also be able to recover from a drive that has the click of death or so one of them says it can.

[Superchicken]

Wait, does disk utility not do anything for data recovery?

Like I wanna recover something that was deleted off my iMac's HD.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Wait, does disk utility not do anything for data recovery?

Like I wanna recover something that was deleted off my iMac's HD.

No it doesn't You would need a program like Prosoft's Data recycler to do that.

[Kilbey]

Maybe this could be the root of your problem after all. Post from earlier thread.

You guys should seriously take better care. I have a point zero bag cost me about forty bucks, I have dropped my PowerBook on my bed, on the floor without realizing it was in the bag, all kinds of things, it's hit things, it's aside from recent problems which I think are due to the RAM I installed perfectly fine.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by typoon:
No it doesn't You would need a program like Prosoft's Data recycler to do that.

techtool.

[brapper]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Maybe this could be the root of your problem after all. Post from earlier thread.

yeah that might have something to do with it...

[storer]

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
Agreed. You can do this but the speed loss is noticeable.

Yep, I do it all the time.

[historylme]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Oh, stop being such a pompous arse. The chicken knows he's made a mistake. It happens to all of us.

And we all know that you've got insurance for everything.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Oh, stop being such a pompous arse. The chicken knows he's made a mistake. It happens to all of us.

And we all know that you've got insurance for everything.

It's amazing how cheap a rider on your insurance policy is to cover your lap top against damage and theft.

I was paying US$25/year for US$2,500 coverage on mine.

It's cheap, and you're stupid not to have it.

[rozwado1]

If your data is very important and worth a couple hundred bucks, go here.

@chicken:

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
It's amazing how cheap a rider on your insurance policy is to cover your lap top against damage and theft.

I was paying US$25/year for US$2,500 coverage on mine.

It's cheap, and you're stupid not to have it.

That's good value. Will look into that.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
That's good value. Will look into that.

I was using Citizen's Insurance and it was a simple rider onto my homeowners insurance policy.

You can get it with renter's insurance also.

It would be foolish not to get it.

They only cover the hardware, both repairs and replacement, not data recovery specialists.

[Superchicken]

I have my PB insured. Sadly this isn't a warranty problem. I'm gona boot it tomorrow in Target mode and see if we can't get something off there. If not I'll just be without... a lot of my earlier work but I'll live... just not have any of my e-mails, most of my early art, and a whole lota other crap. Then again I don't need most of that so it's not a huge deal... that said notes from classes or papers I've written might be nice.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I have my PB insured. Sadly this isn't a warranty problem.

If it isn't a warranty problem, then it would be covered under your insurance policy.

If you did not cause any damage, and the HD failed on it's own, then Apple is responsible for warranty work. Call Apple.

If the HD failed due to damage caused by yourself or another person then your insurance company should cover it. Call your insurance agent.

[omar96]

I'm surprised nobody's suggested to toss the HDD (not the whole laptop) in the freezer for a little bit yet. Sometimes that helps it stop clicking for a little bit, long enough to get your worthwhile stuff off of the machine.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by omar96:
I'm surprised nobody's suggested to toss the HDD in the freezer for a little bit yet. Sometimes that helps it stop clicking for a little bit, long enough to get your worthwhile stuff off of the machine.

I did not know this.

Anyone else tried this and had it work?

[Superchicken]

Really? Hmm well it was kinda hot when it died... and this isn't a problem I know Apple will fix it, what's wrong is the fact that I've possibly/probably lost everything ON the drive. I have no problem with getting a new one, and a new drive would probably be less than 200 labour included.

[Superchicken]

Update:
I'm going to be taking it to... ironically my old grade school a guy from my parent's church works there, and he says I can use one of their macs to transfer everything off over FW. Now lets hope she spins up Dang I'm screwed hahahaha... oh well.

Anyway, so yah lets all hope this goes well. I'd really rather not loose everything haha...

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Really? Hmm well it was kinda hot when it died... and this isn't a problem I know Apple will fix it, what's wrong is the fact that I've possibly/probably lost everything ON the drive. I have no problem with getting a new one, and a new drive would probably be less than 200 labour included.

Why won't Apple fix it if it's a hardware failure? Is it not under warranty anymore?

I thought you just got this PB less than six months ago.

So, you're going to just drop $200 on a new drive without letting Apple have a go at it? Must be nice to have this kind of cash laying around. I thought you were a poor bible college student.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Update:
I'm going to be taking it to... ironically my old grade school

Why is this ironic? Is it "Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended"?

[Superchicken]

Because generally one does not take a new PowerBook to be fixed at a school that when I was there only had original macintoshes IE the first ones. Not to mention one does not normally return to one's elementary school to fix a computer.

And Apple will fix the HD, what I'm trying to do is data recovery. Everyone else in the thread has caught on on a while ago, especially since I've explained it to you several times but you don't seem to be getting it. Apple would stick in a new HD, they're not going to fiddle with it in Target mode to try and get all my non backed up info off it.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Because generally one does not take a new PowerBook to be fixed at a school that when I was there only had original macintoshes IE the first ones. Not to mention one does not normally return to one's elementary school to fix a computer.

Look, admit you used a word incorrectly. Is your ego that huge that you can't do that? It is not ironic that you would take it there to fix it if a guy there knows Macintosh. Now if you were to take it to a Dell store or a Microsoft tech center to fix it, that would be irony.

Originally posted by Superchicken:
And Apple will fix the HD, what I'm trying to do is data recovery. Everyone else in the thread has caught on on a while ago, especially since I've explained it to you several times but you don't seem to be getting it. Apple would stick in a new HD, they're not going to fiddle with it in Target mode to try and get all my non backed up info off it.

Than why did you say this?

I have no problem with getting a new one, and a new drive would probably be less than 200 labour included.

I understand what Apple will do. And I understand your desire to get your data off the drive. But I am addressing what to do after this is done. Whether you're going to take advantage of your warranty with Apple or take advantage of your insurance policy is my point. If you were to take it to Apple, I would make sure you tell them you have dropped the unit a few times and you don't think that caused the problem. Sounds to me like it's an insurance issue. I'd hate to see you taking advantage of Apple for your bad treatment of your PB.

[Superchicken]

Oi vey, someone post about loosing about 6 years worth of data and you make a point to be an ass to them? I pity your friends, family and anyone within a 20 mile radius! I said replacing the HD wouldn't be a big deal because I don't care about replacing parts and with some effort I could swing the costs, that's not a big deal to me! What I care about is the fact that I've probably lost a whole crap load of stuff that was important to me you freaking ass.

I swear it's as if you have no hobbie other than irritating people. TRY KNITTING!

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Oi vey, someone post about loosing about 6 years worth of data and you make a point to be an ass to them?

Actually, I pointed out something you forgot. Your poor treatment of your PB might have caused your problems. I was pointing out that insurance is a good idea and that everyone should consider getting it. I was being helpful. I just think you are being insecure. Maybe I hit a tender bone on you eh?

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I pity your friends, family and anyone within a 20 mile radius!

And with the intraweb I can go well beyond the 20-mile radius you are so concerned about. I pity your friends and family for having to deal with an idiot all the time.

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I said replacing the HD wouldn't be a big deal because I don't care about replacing parts and with some effort I could swing the costs, that's not a big deal to me! What I care about is the fact that I've probably lost a whole crap load of stuff that was important to me

That's not what you said. If that's what you intended to have said you did a poor job of getting your point across.

Originally posted by Superchicken:
you freaking ass.

tsk tsk tsk. Such profanity. The sign of a simple mind.

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I swear it's as if you have no hobbie other than irritating people. TRY KNITTING!

Nope, I make beer too. Woodworking also, but it's really more of a side job nowadays. I read, travel, walk my dogs, photography, camping, oil paint, home renovation, ... I may have too many hobbies really. But I'll never try knitting probably. Not enough reward in it. Now sewing... I could get into sewing.

Back on topic: Any luck getting the data off the drive? Are you going to turn the PB into Apple for warranty work when you get the data off it?

[Mastrap]

Superchicken in a slap-fest?

Wtf happened to you in college? You go, poultryman.

[Superchicken]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mastrap:
Superchicken in a slap-fest?

Wtf happened to you in college? You go, poultryman. [/QUOTE

Slap fest... I'll have you know I'm more of a head locker.

By the way... I prayed and I prayed and I hoped and I hoped and... DUN DUN DUN! ALL MY DATA IS OK! And stored safely on my iMac's 60 gig HD! Now let's hope this thing doesn't crash... I'm actually thinking I'm gona upload some of my most important stuff in zip files to my web server (I have a gig of storage.)

A friend of my parents from church works at my OLD elementary school, thing is it's a private Christian one so they have a fair bit of cash to throw around (It costs a pretty penny to attend, good school though... well from an academic point of view, I didn't like it all that much, and had my femor/femour however you spell it shattered there but that's another story.) Anyway I used his "G4" which he what he calls his iBook G4 (I don't think he realizes that calling it a G4 and saying it's a laptop is little help these days) to transfer all my stuff through Target mode. And it worked flawlessly. The fan kicked in a few times each time with my heart jumping into my throat. But no over heat problems got EVERYTHINg important off it, even my Library and my episodes of Jeremiah Got ALL my music (not all of it was on the iPod mini). I need to grab a few utilities to make my iMac usable (read pith helmet for stopping animated gifs) and then we'll be good to go. I love that OS X still works on six year old hardware
I want to thank everyone who was helpful though my kinda.. crazy time specifically brapper, Mastrap, and MacNStein

Edit: That said, the guy from the U of M said Apple might try and get out of the warranty based on the fact that the trim around the edge bulged after a SMALL fall (not the big ones, I didn't mention that, the biggest by far bulge was created by the smallest fall, read a few inches at very slow/sliding speed.) And I explained, fine, then I shall grow my angry at customer service wings of fire and we shall have a chat He smiled remembering the incident with the iBook and he was like, "good." (since the fall happened while it was asleep and that sort of fall should not cause that much damage it was truly a minor fall.)