[JMII]

Archive and install worked on my G4 MDD when going from Jag to Panther, so I'll do the same for Tiger. Before hand however I will backup all my apps and home folder of course. I back up once a month and before installing ANY update just to be safe. I also do the repair permissions before/after thing... not sure if it helps but it takes all of 2 mintues so I figure why not?

[sanity assassin]

I'll do a nice clean install. Back everything up, then format, and install.

[rmongold]

I'll probably do a backup, format and install and then wait a few days... Once I'm comfortable with everything, I'll do the same to my wife's PowerBook. Not sure why, but I love rebuilding a machine after wiping the hard drive.

[stevesnj]

Backup files

Zero Drive

Install Tiger (grrreat!!)

[BGK]

From my iBook, I'm thinking about connecting to my old G4 tower (cd drive only) via Firewire Target Disk mode and installing Tiger that way. A friend suggested this should work, though he is not sure. Anyone do this with previous versions of OS X?

[teszeract]

Oh, Tiger will come pre-installed




on my new Dual-Core iMac G5, natch.

from ThinkScecret
It's unclear whether the new G5s will pack IBM's dual-core 970MP processor, code-named "Antares" or its younger brother, the single-core 970GX. Neither processor has been officially announced by IBM yet, but Apple has been working with prototypes of both since late last year.

[bovie]

I am going to do a full clean install. I don't care what os you use upgrade always slows stuff down. A Full Clean Install will give you a edge over just upgrading.
Plus, It gives you time to clean crap off your computer. Like programs you never use any more.

[SpaceMonkey]

I'll upgrade when I buy a new Powerbook sometime in the next 2 months. So, I voted "clean install."

[Noonster]

Yeah i was tempted by archive and install like i originally said but the more i read peoples opinions i am thinking re-install will be best...

Backup all my data onto DVD's or something
- Let let Tiger Wipe it and start afresh
- Then move all my docs and music back
- Reinstall apps...

Thats sounding like the best plan

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Noonster

Yeah i was tempted by archive and install like i originally said but the more i read peoples opinions i am thinking re-install will be best...

Backup all my data onto DVD's or something
- Let let Tiger Wipe it and start afresh
- Then move all my docs and music back
- Reinstall apps...

Thats sounding like the best plan

Well, you can certainly go ahead and do that, but it has little, if any, advantage over Archive and Install.

[Noonster]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Well, you can certainly go ahead and do that, but it has little, if any, advantage over Archive and Install.

OK then

Back to the Achive and Install idea i was first going with
- Guess it will save me hours of backing up onto DVD's

Thanks

[UnixMac]

Start with Onyx run - Archive and Install - Followed by Onyx Run

[shearm]

Pardon my ignorance here, but I wonder if you all could help answer some questions I have about this process.

I have two separate hard drives in my dual 1.42 G4. I have Panther and Apps/files on one. I use the other as scratch for video. Each has about 40gig left.

So here are the questions:

1. Can I simply leave Panther on the one drive and install Tiger on the scratch drive, boot from that, and slowly move stuff over, eventually using the second drive as the main boot drive, and the first one as the scratch? My thought was that way, I get a clean install, can install only the applications I really need, and won't have to take the time to backup all my files, photos, email, etc. to DVDs.

2. If I do that, are there any drawbacks? Will I be able to move over all my email in Apple Mail? The Address Book contacts? Iphoto database? Imovie/IDVD files? Other stuff I'm probably forgetting? Can I switch back and forth between Panther and Tiger if I do this?

3. If I do an archive and reinstall instead, will that transfer all my applications, or just my files/documents/photos? I have most of my basic applications in the standard APPLICATIONS folder, but I also have a separate APPS folder that I have installed lots of other stuff into. Will that cause a problem during the archive and reinstall?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Mike

[chris v]

Originally Posted by shearm

Pardon my ignorance here, but I wonder if you all could help answer some questions I have about this process.


2. If I do that, are there any drawbacks? Will I be able to move over all my email in Apple Mail? The Address Book contacts? Iphoto database? Imovie/IDVD files? Other stuff I'm probably forgetting? Can I switch back and forth between Panther and Tiger if I do this?

Mike

Moving iPhoto, iTunes, email, and address book, (etc) should be a simple drag and drop, so long as you create a new user with the same name and password under 10.4 so you don't encounter any permissions problems.

[shearm]

Thanks.
So that means that I can install on the second drive, as long as I set up my main user with the same name/password? Do I have that right?

How will the install present? I stick the DVD in, reboot, and it will give me the option to install on my second disk? Is it that simple?

again, thanks for the indulgence, here.

Mike

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Noonster

OK then

Back to the Achive and Install idea i was first going with
- Guess it will save me hours of backing up onto DVD's

Thanks

Well, I'm not saying that you shouldn't back up your stuff onto DVDs, because that's a good idea anyway. You'll like having a backup if your hard drive crashes, your computer gets stolen, you accidentally delete something you didn't mean to, etc.

[Noonster]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Well, I'm not saying that you shouldn't back up your stuff onto DVDs, because that's a good idea anyway. You'll like having a backup if your hard drive crashes, your computer gets stolen, you accidentally delete something you didn't mean to, etc.

Yeah i know your not saying that mate....
- I always keep a backup on DVD's anyways... only thing not on DVDs is my music and thats all i am worried about losing etc...

[chris v]

Originally Posted by shearm

Thanks.
So that means that I can install on the second drive, as long as I set up my main user with the same name/password? Do I have that right?

How will the install present? I stick the DVD in, reboot, and it will give me the option to install on my second disk? Is it that simple?

again, thanks for the indulgence, here.

Mike

Yes, it's that simple. You can install it on any bootable partition or physical drive.

[ero2]

I've never upgraded a mac OS before, so I have a question. Can I back up my current HD using carbon copy cloner to my FW drive, then zero the internal drive and install tiger, then when asked if I am upgrading from an old computer and if so plug it in, can i plug in my bootable FW drive and it will transfer all programs files etc? Is this a good way to do it? Any downfall to doing it this way? This seems the easiest :-)

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by ero2

I've never upgraded a mac OS before, so I have a question. Can I back up my current HD using carbon copy cloner to my FW drive, then zero the internal drive and install tiger, then when asked if I am upgrading from an old computer and if so plug it in, can i plug in my bootable FW drive and it will transfer all programs files etc? Is this a good way to do it? Any downfall to doing it this way? This seems the easiest :-)

Well, yeah, you can do that, but it's not the "easiest." The easiest would be just to install Tiger over your current installation without worrying about reformatting.

[ero2]

but it would be a good way to do it, so I don't have to reinstall any of my programs, or keychains, settings, etc? correct?

[powermacj7]

I plan to do a clean install, and use .Mac & sync to take care of my bookmarks, address, etc.

[shearm]

When I install onto my second drive, i can do that without erasing the drive, right? I have one folder on that drive, but it's got 40 gigs of video files. If I install onto that drive, it will just leave that folder untouched, correct?

Mike

[Noonster]

Seems like Clean Install is leading the way....

Does anyone know the advantages of this over achive and install.... as doing a clean intall seems like a longer way to get back to what achive and install does.

Am i looking at this wrong??

[Fonzie]

I will do the usual Clean Install like I did when upgrading from Jaguar some time ago. I feel more secure doing it this way because then I know that the system will be running smooth. I could do an Archive and Install - I don't know.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Noonster

Seems like Clean Install is leading the way....

Does anyone know the advantages of this over achive and install.... as doing a clean intall seems like a longer way to get back to what achive and install does.

Am i looking at this wrong??

Not from where I stand. It really mystifies me why all these people are insisting on erasing their hard drive. Yeah, on Windows it would be a good idea, but this is a Mac. Reformatting will get you little benefit that you wouldn't have just gotten from a plain old archive and install.

[Randman]

Originally Posted by powermacj7

I plan to do a clean install, and use .Mac & sync to take care of my bookmarks, address, etc.

Yep, and especially with the new features in Tiger. can also use Backup to copy stuff like Safari settings, iTunes playlists, etc. Mail too.

[passmaster16]

Originally Posted by chris v

Archive and install. I've got way too many hours into installing copy-protected stuff like Logic, Macromedia Freehand MX, Quark 6.5 and a set of Photoshop spot sep plug-ins. Besides, what would I do without all my 10.1 crash reports?

I was thinking the same. Normally when I install a new OS, X or Windows, I always do a clean install. Now that I have all the apps loaded on my system, I just don't feel like backing up the data, installing the OS, and reinstalling the apps...so I think I'll just skip to installing the OS and be done with it. I'm not so sure that there is much benefit to doing a fresh install of OS X other than doing a cleanup of junk files and apps that I don't need...this would differ greatly from Windows as I always do a clean install - registry...gasp

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Reformatting will get you little benefit that you wouldn't have just gotten from a plain old Upgrade Install.

fixed

[Noonster]

^ Fixed what?

[Busemann]

there's little advantage of doing an archive install instead of upgrade install anymore, unless you're upgrading from beta versions or stuff like that. Who would waste time to do clean or even format installs just to get the "freshness" feel?*

*Yes I know, a lot of you would

[ManOfSteal]

Archive/Install.

*I also just upgraded my 'NN sig for Tiger!

[Hamgard]

Originally Posted by Chito

I'll just upgrade. Always have. Damn the torpedos....full speed ahead!

Admiral David Farragut at Mobile Bay August 1864. Brilliant, what a life creed

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Busemann

there's little advantage of doing an archive install instead of upgrade install anymore, unless you're upgrading from beta versions or stuff like that. Who would waste time to do clean or even format installs just to get the "freshness" feel?*

*Yes I know, a lot of you would

Well, I've changed my position a bit on Archive and Install. There are a few benefits it will give you over a normal upgrade:

1. If you have a bunch of third party kernel extensions installed, which might conflict with a new OS update and cause kernel panics (especially Symantec stuff), an Archive and Install will get rid of them.

2. If you have other assorted detritus installed in /System by apps such as third-party speech engines or what not, Archive and Install will clean them out.

3. Assorted junk that build up in /usr and the other UNIX folders from installing open-source software (depending on how much you use said software, this could also be a reason not to do an Archive and Install)

4. I just had an issue pop up yesterday with a machine that once had 10.2 on it, and on which postfix wasn't working because the permissions in the /var/spool/postfix directory were messed up, apparently because the Repair Permissions script used to bungle the permissions up in there under 10.2, and now the machine's got the problem left over from the old OS.

So, yeah, Archive and Install has a few advantages. And I'm glad it's there, because it reduces the number of people telling newbies to reformat their hard drives. This ain't Windows, folks...

[legacyb4]

Archive Install

[Xtraz]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Well, I've changed my position a bit on Archive and Install. There are a few benefits it will give you over a normal upgrade:

3. Assorted junk that build up in /usr and the other UNIX folders from installing open-source software (depending on how much you use said software, this could also be a reason not to do an Archive and Install)

Can someone explain this further?

Does Archive and Install transfer things like MySQL databases, software libraries in /usr, stuff that fink installed, etc? It has never been clear to me what gets cleaned and what doesn't.

I understand that everything in /Users and /Applications are fine, but those are also the easiest to backup ... the other stuff takes time, and I'm lazy.

[Norm Nager]

In anticipation of Tiger and my wish to be able to still use Panther as needed while checking out how well all my favorite applications work with 10.4, I re-partitioned each hard drive.

But the dual Panther-Tiger booting options is only one of several reasons for the setup of volumes. First, however, these are the four principal volumes:

1. Tiger Volume: An empty partition awaits Tiger for a clean install.

2. Panther Volume : OS 10.3.9

3. Apps Volume: All non-OS-installed applications with a couple exceptions have been moved to an applications volume so that I can access them from either Panther or Tiger, whichever is booted. (The exceptions are iLife 2005 (for updating by Software Update), TechTool Pro and my antivirus program, both of which only function from the OS volume.

4. Data Volume: All documents, music and photos now reside in an OS-free partition. I had to direct iPhoto and iTunes where to find my photos and music. And I had to alias the Microsoft User Data folder and iData Pro datafiles folder to the OS volume. In all cases, the word "alias" and leading space before it were nipped off.

Why go through all this beyond gaining the ability to have easy access to data and my own applications from either Tiger or Panther during the time it takes for developers to come out with Tiger-compatible versions of those applications that may still only launch and work well while booted into Panther:

A. For the same reasons others in this thread said they opted for a clean installation of Tiger.

B. Other big cats will follow as surely as OS X has seen Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and, now, Tiger come out of the jungle. (Surely there will be a Lion or a tabby cat?) And once the Panther volume can be erased, the partition will be there not only for 10.5 but also for any major updates of 10.4.

C. In the course of some early-phase beta testing and other situations on a few occasions, I've had the OS become so corrupted, that I had to do erase-and-clean installs and rely on backups of documents, re-install applications and then use the updaters I had downloaded and saved. Those erase-and-clean operations required not only the time-consuming installation from the Apple CDs, but then capturing all the updates to the OS through either Software Update or an Apple Combo Updater.

Early phase beta testing, however, has not been the only culprit in messing up the OS beyond fixing with Repair Permissions, TechTool Pro 4.0.3 and DiskWarrior 3.0.2: On one occasion, the recalled first of two releases of the update to OS 10.2.6 corrupted my boot volume beyond fixing. On another an application that should have had more beta testing before its public release set off a chain of events that inlcuded creation of too many overlapped/crosslinked extent allocations for DiskWarrior to fix.

Respectfully, Norm

[SomeToast]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

4. I just had an issue pop up yesterday with a machine that once had 10.2 on it, and on which postfix wasn't working because the permissions in the /var/spool/postfix directory were messed up, apparently because the Repair Permissions script used to bungle the permissions up in there under 10.2, and now the machine's got the problem left over from the old OS.

Repair Permissions causing damage? Don't let the Repair Permissions Fetishists hear you say that!

[Noonster]

Descided - Clean install for me
- Backup my files i need onto my brothers Powerbook and then transfer back after install.

[callefoss]

Hi,

I wanna try to install Tiger on a second partition and try if some of my important apps work before I do a clean install. So, the question is if I install it on a second partition, when I then reboot will I automatically have the option to boot from 10.3.9 and 10.4 ? Are there any other things I need to do or is it as smooth as this?

Thanx

[Apple Pro Underwear]

buying a new PM!!!! (yesterday in fact)



also, is like Steve sleeping with CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

this artile is like apple.com distilled into an article

[d.fine]

Archive/Install for my first Mac OS upgrade...

[callefoss]

So, the question is if I install it on a second partition, when I then reboot will I automatically have the option to boot from 10.3.9 and 10.4 ? Are there any other things I need to do or is it as smooth as this?

Anybody?

Thanx

[Twister]

I'm hoping to do the archive and install but I have a few questions.

1) Will my keychain passwords be ok? I assume yes but i have way to many passwords in there to loose.

2) I kinda threw out some important files last night. They were in the library/receipts folder. I could then not fix disk permissions w/o them. I found some replacement files and got that all working again, however I don't know if there are any long term issues that could come over with Tiger.

2a) While on that topic, is there any way to clean out the library/receipts folder without harming anything? I had stuff in there from years ago and like 4 iCal packages. Seems like a waste of space.

[Randman]

1) It's lose not loose. Loose means not tight.

Do you have .Mac? You can use Backup to save your keychain and reinstall. Or you can simply do an archive and install and clean stuff out.

Receipts don't take up much space. Shouldn't throw away unless you're sure about it.

[GENERAL_SMILEY]

I'll probably just find the torrent, download it, burn it to DVD; backup Panther, then upgrade.



Nah, I'm kidding I'll just go buy it at the store.

GS_

[d.fine]

Did Archive & Install a few hours ago and everything went spotless from 10.3 to 10.4. All my mails, keychains, apps, etc, just perfect!

[Kenstee]

Is there any quantifiable data showing the advantage of Clean or Archive & Install over a regular upgrade?

- System responsiveness?
- Finder speed?
- Propensity to crash?
- Etc.

Bottom line from what I've read here: Lots of emotional opinions based on past habits and anecdotal evidence. Is there any hard data supporting it?

[Jupeman]

I damned the torpedoes, went balls-to-the-wall, and clicked "upgrade". No backup no nothing. Seems to have worked fine. So far so good. Mmm, Tiger...

http://homepage.mac.com/jupeman/.Pictures/Tiger.jpg

[Noonster]

Installed mine last night - went for Upgrade and Install and maintain users, etc...
- Went through fine no probs at all....
- Happy to see that almost all my apps etc... work, some dont though but i am sure updates will be out soon.

Very happy man