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View Poll Results: Which do you have? (Choose only ONE. Includes stand-alones and game consoles.)
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HD DVD 34 votes (17.09%)
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Apparently the HD-DVD group is all about uncomfortable and unmemorable names.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 01:52 PM
 
Originally Posted by goMac View Post
ROM51? Ugh. Horrible name.
It's not like anyone calls them HD DVD-ROMs in the first place...

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Originally Posted by jokell82 View Post
It's not like anyone calls them HD DVD-ROMs in the first place...
I think HD-DVD TL would have been a better name honestly. But yes, it does remind me of Rom from Star Trek...
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Top Selling Hi-def titles (by ratios) of 2007 on a single format. This is YTD through Dec. 30/07

1. 300 (Blu) 100.00
2. Transformers 76.06
3. PotC: At World's End 69.64
4. Casino Royale 54.00
5. Planet Earth (HD) 51.68

xx. The Bourne Ultimatum 51.48
xx. 300 (HD) 49.87
xx. Spiderman 3 46.17
xx. Planet Earth (Blu) 41.92
xx. HP: Order of the Phoenix (Blu) 31.67
xx. HP: Order of the Phoenix (HD) 25.20


Top Selling Blu-ray titles of 2007 (by ratios). This is YTD through Dec. 30/07

1. 300 100.00
2. PotC: At World's End 69.64
3. Casino Royale 54.00
4. Spiderman 3 46.17
5. Planet Earth 41.92


Top Selling HD DVD titles of 2007 (by ratios). This is YTD through Dec. 30/07

1. Transformers 100.00
2. Planet Earth 67.94
3. The Bourne Ultimatum 67.69
4. 300 65.57
5. HP: Order of the Phoenix 33.13


Top Selling Combined Hi-def titles of 2007 (by ratios). This is YTD through Dec. 30/07

1. 300 100.00
2. Planet Earth 62.45
3. Transformers 50.75
4. PotC: At World's End 46.47
5. HP: Order of the Phoenix 37.95


Sales ratios on dual format titles:

300 was 2.01:1 for Blu-ray for 2007
Planet Earth was 1.23:1 for HD DVD for 2007
HP: OotP was 1.26:1 for Blu-ray for 2007


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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
It kinda reminds me of what web designers tell me. They outsource all Java code. Java is just too complicated to learn from the ground up. Sure, it's not too hard for someone who began life as a computer engineer, but web designers aren't computer engineers. analogueSPRINKLES, would you agree with this?
Oh hells ya. Personally as a web DESIGNER I would idealy only do the work on the Design in Photoshop and pass on all the coding from HTML to Java scripting, PHP to a programmer. This is how it works at all the high end design shops I have worked at.

Of course this isn't always the way it works so I sometimes I get stuck with doing the HTML and basic scripting myself. It takes longer and the code isn't quite as clean or effective. Even worse in that case I end up designing a site around what I know I can program.

It is always much better to have seperate people do it though as I have the design skills while the programmer is all about the good code. This way I can design whatever I can dream up and the programmer can bring it to life.

Ever see what a website that a programmer designed looks like? 99.9% of the time it is the worst looking site ever with all sorts of fancy useless code tricks.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Ever see what a website that a programmer designed looks like? 99.9% of the time it is the worst looking site ever with all sorts of fancy useless code tricks.
Yep. A friend a mine wanted a site built for his company. (Just info stuff.) I told him to hire a web designer, but he got an computer science grad to do it for about 5X less cost. It was very, very ugly, and it had a bunch of fancy useless and ugly code tricks.

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Warner Bros to back Blu-ray exclusively: sources

NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Time Warner's Warner Bros studio plans to announce it will release next generation DVDs on Sony Corp's Blu-ray format exclusively, two sources familiar with the plans said on Friday, dealing a big blow to Toshiba Corp'sHD DVD format.

An announcement is expected shortly, the sources said.

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"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers," Warner Bros Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.[/i]
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Warner Bros to back Blu-ray exclusively: sources

NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Time Warner's Warner Bros studio plans to announce it will release next generation DVDs on Sony Corp's Blu-ray format exclusively, two sources familiar with the plans said on Friday, dealing a big blow to Toshiba Corp'sHD DVD format.

An announcement is expected shortly, the sources said.
If true it's pretty much over.

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Warner Bros to back Blu-ray exclusively: sources

NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Time Warner's Warner Bros studio plans to announce it will release next generation DVDs on Sony Corp's Blu-ray format exclusively, two sources familiar with the plans said on Friday, dealing a big blow to Toshiba Corp'sHD DVD format.

An announcement is expected shortly, the sources said.
Well, that sucks big time. I'm going to CES so I'll hear what Warner has to say.

Time to return my HDDVD player?
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Jan 4, 2008, 04:54 PM
 
Well, I'm done buying HD for now then. This sucks.

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Jan 4, 2008, 04:55 PM
 
Part of me is sad because I already have an HD DVD player... but mostly I'm happy because this will probably end this insanity.

The industry, the consumers, the studios, retailers... no one was benefiting from this format war.

If this is true, HD DVD will die a slow death over the next year or two and Blu will start to take off in leaps and bounds.

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I won't be buying a Bluray player anytime soon, unless Profile 1.1 or 2.0 is under $300. I would get a PS3 for $400 instead if I wanted a Bluray player.
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The story has been updated. It's 100% official now.

They will support both formats until May and then they go Blu-ray exclusive.

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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
I won't be buying a Bluray player anytime soon, unless Profile 1.1 or 2.0 is under $300. I would get a PS3 for $400 instead if I wanted a Bluray player.
When I start hearing about a Blu-Ray player that's better than the PS3 and cheaper, then I'll think about it. But I may just end up buying a PS3 and be done with it.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 05:11 PM
 
Good move warner. Hopefully this will be done with soon and no other studio defects to the other side.
It sucks for HD fans but not like they didn't had warning signs from the beginning.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 05:13 PM
 
The signs were Warner is going exclusive one camp or the other pretty soon. Announcement was sooner than I expected and the wrong camp than I predicted.
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Well, what can I say? Studio support is ultimately what matters. It sucks for the people who just bought HD-DVD players, but at least they didn't spend much on them.
     
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I can return it to Bestbuy until end of January. Not my movies though, so I'm keeping my HDDVD player. No biggie, not a big lost.
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That's the end of HD-DVD.

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Sad day for consumers... Yay!

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Still waiting for reaction from the HD-DVD camp. At this point it would take some sort of miracle like DIsney getting paid a large sum of cash to just go neutral...
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With WB going Bluray exclusive, it's pretty much over for HDDVD.

Well, good luck to Bluray. Still an ongoing battle with DVD.

Bluray players need to be under $200 to compete with DVD players. Most of the population are pretty happy with their $50 DVD players. Hope Bluray doesn't go the way of Laserdisc.
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Well, what can I say? Studio support is ultimately what matters. It sucks for the people who just bought HD-DVD players, but at least they didn't spend much on them.
Well yes and no. My problem from day 1 was never the cost of the players. $100 or $300 it doesn't really matter to me.

The investment comes with the Disks at $30 a pop or $120 box sets. Even if someone had given me a Stand alone player for $0 I still wouldn't wanted to invest in the disks.

This is why I never saw an importance of the price of the player being $100, $150, or $300.

I have 20 BR disks which say at $25 each cost me $500! A $100 player isn't going to make me upset that I spent the money on it but the fact that $500 of disks is now an obsolete format that will no longer be supported in a year would piss me off to no end.

I wouldn't want to keep around a separate "stand alone" player just for these 20 disks the rest of my life mixed among DVD's and BR.

So the question is what will Universal do now that season 1 of BSG is out on HD? Will they still bother with the other seasons, or just go Blu also. Hopefully they still won't be stubborn about it.

I would be major upset if I had got season 1 of BSG or star Trek in HD with over $100 a set.
     
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Still waiting for reaction from the HD-DVD camp. At this point it would take some sort of miracle like DIsney getting paid a large sum of cash to just go neutral...
Disney going neutral would have been big news if Warner had stayed neutral. Now Disney would have to go HD DVD exclusive to have a major impact.

I guess this means I'll be looking at getting a Blu-Ray player sooner rather than later. Hopefully after CES there will be ~$300 2.0 players on the horizon.
     
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Hope Bluray doesn't go the way of Laserdisc.
Laser disks players were $500 + for years if not more. Not to mention a movie would cost $80 and there was almost no selection, oh and the disks were huge and most players needed you to manually flip the disks.

BR is already doing better in that regard.
     
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Damn [flashback], I hope Disney brings that out on Blu-ray. That was one of my favorite child hood movies there.
     
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Originally Posted by icruise View Post
Well, what can I say? Studio support is ultimately what matters. It sucks for the people who just bought HD-DVD players, but at least they didn't spend much on them.
I'm also wondering if there will be an overload of returns from HD-DVD players boxing day sales.

I can't imagine anyone would be silly enough to hold onto them if they can get the money back with this news. Sadly they can't return open disks.
     
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Strangely this week Fox has also re-announced some long awaited movies on BR:

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Originally Posted by Montezuma58 View Post
I guess this means I'll be looking at getting a Blu-Ray player sooner rather than later. Hopefully after CES there will be ~$300 2.0 players on the horizon.
Given that I support digital downloads, and HD-DVD was the only format that really catered to my needs, I definitely won't be buying a Bluray player. I'll consider whether or not I want to buy a Bluray drive on my new Mac Pro, depending on if Bluray gets their managed copy act together. No sense in buying a format if none of the discs will be able to do managed copy.

Really now I'm waiting until CES/MacWorld to see what Apple and Microsoft have to say on the video downloads front. I see an AppleTV in my future.
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So what the hell is Paramount going to do? Can they break the 18 month exclusive contact of Toshiba forfeits? Or if HD disappears by year end can Paramount still not release BR disks till the 18 months is up?

Way to go Paramount.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
So what the hell is Paramount going to do? Can they break the 18 month exclusive contact of Toshiba forfeits? Or if HD disappears by year end can Paramount still not release BR disks till the 18 months is up?

Way to go Paramount.
Nope. They're HD-DVD only for the next year. Sucks for the Bluray crowd. (And there is no way Universal is going Bluray at this point.)
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Wow. Stepped away from all my usual techie sites and blogs all morning to plan a MLK-weekend trip and this happens. This is effectively a death knell for HD DVD and I really can't see them surviving much past 2008. I was on the brink of going purple (just so I could watch some Paramount and Universal exclusives) but had decided to wait until after CES. I'm glad I did. I'm also surprised that Warner chose to announce Blu-ray exclusivity ahead of CES. There was talk on the AVS boards that Warner's only official appearance at CES was in conjunction with the HD DVD event. Needless to say, there was some speculation surrounding that. But just ... WOW. Hopefully the HDM landscape begins sorting itself out in 2008.
     
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Originally Posted by goMac View Post
Nope. They're HD-DVD only for the next year. Sucks for the Bluray crowd. (And there is no way Universal is going Bluray at this point.)
I think today of all days you can't use the term "sucks for BR" when Warner will account for 70% of all HD disks in the future.

If anything sucks for Paramount as they are locked in a contract for a dead format now. I can wait for their movies but they aren't going to make any money of us waiting.
     
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Hmm... should I keep my unopened copy of Bourne Ultimatum and Harry Potter (Order of the Phoenix) that I bought from Bestbuy BOGO sale?

I think I will. I don't see myself purchasing a Bluray player in 2008, so I have those movies to enjoy while waiting to buy a Bluray player.
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I think today of all days you can't use the term "sucks for BR" when Warner will account for 70% of all HD disks in the future.
Doesn't matter much to me, I won't be buying Bluray. In the short term, nobody wins. Bluray supporters will still be locked out of Universal and Paramount titles, and the average consumer still won't be able to buy all the titles they want by choosing one format. More reason for me at least to not even bother with the whole format war and just go all digital downloads.

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If anything sucks for Paramount as they are locked in a contract for a dead format now. I can wait for their movies but they aren't going to make any money of us waiting.
Honestly, Paramount still makes an overwhelming majority of their sales in DVD's. And Universal is the HD-DVD camp's Sony. Universal will be sticking it out until the bitter end.
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I wonder how Toshiba will publicly respond to this. Either they won't say a thing or we will get the usual response on stand alone player sales and better managed copied and they believe in the format and are sticking to it. Oh and we now have a 52 gig disk named Nog.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
If anything sucks for Paramount as they are locked in a contract for a dead format now. I can wait for their movies but they aren't going to make any money of us waiting.
Not necessarily. Paramount will probably realize 1+ to 2x what they would have from all the double dipping had they remained neutral or gone Blu. Think about it, Paramount is contractually committed to remain red for the next year and release titles on HD DVD. People who already have HD DVD players will continue to buy Paramount titles because they remain exclusive. And people who want Paramount titles right now will still have to buy into HD DVD, if just for that. When their sentence is over and they return to neutral or go Blu, they'll just re-release all those titles in Blu-ray to, hopefully, a larger and more mature HDM market. Don't tell me Blu-ray owners then won't buy all those backlogged titles that had previously been available only in HD DVD.

As for Warner, I'm curious to see if there were any back room dealings that prompted their exclusivity. We know that both Blu and HD DVD camps were courting Warner with quite a bit of incentives, but, when Toshiba/Microsoft did the same with Paramount and Paramount defected, the exclusivity was immediate (with quite of a few imminent Paramount titles pulled right then and there). Warner is at least remaining neutral for another 5 months...
     
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I won't be buying any more HDDVD movies, unless they are really cheap and I really want that movie.

My 2 biggest HDDVD investment.

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I must say though, one upside to this war was all the free movies, 50% off, and BOGO deals to win sales and spur market share. With the war coming to a close, I'm expecting to see a lot less of these specials.
     
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I guess the firesale on the Toshiba HDDVD players at the end of the year was too little too late.

The constant BOGO sales and firesale on Bluray players won out. Constant firesale on Bluray players meaning the PS3, selling at a $200 to $300 lost.

Now that Warner is going Blu exclusive, you will be seeing much less BOGO sales for Bluray. Get them Bluray movies on BOGO sale while they last!
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Very sad but happy at same time. HD DVD is usually my default format if I have to choose between Blu-ray and HD DVD for a specific title. I will still buy HD DVD exclusives but for cross platform, Blu-ray will be default from now on for me.

I wonder what would happen to the built-in HD DVD Xbox360 rumor. I think it would be bad time to announce them at CES if it's true.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 07:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by Oversoul View Post
I must say though, one upside to this war was all the free movies, 50% off, and BOGO deals to win sales and spur market share. With the war coming to a close, I'm expecting to see a lot less of these specials.
Not really. The war got the price of BR players down much faster than anticipated and studio's still have to convince people to get HD disks over DVD.
     
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Originally Posted by Adam Betts View Post
I wonder what would happen to the built-in HD DVD Xbox360 rumor. I think it would be bad time to announce them at CES if it's true.
I think it would get laughed at Palm Folio style.

For HD-DVD owners:
http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...hd-dvd-owners/
     
 
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