[omac]

JACK KIRBY.. NO contest..!

Close thread... NOW !

[G Barnett]

Hmm, I've always liked (in no particular order)

Jim Lee (late 80's X-men)
Brian Bolland ("Killing Joke")
Art Adams (Excalibur)
Frank Miller (Dark Knight Returns)
Mike Mignola (Hellboy -- probably the most unique style in the biz)

and from the manga artists, my top 4 are:

Hayao Miyazaki (Nausicaa)
Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira)
Masamune Shirow (Appleseed)
Rumiko Takahashi (Urusei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2)

G Barnett

[omac]

Old farts-but still fart the best..

like me.....

NEAL ADAMS
JOHN BUSCEMA
GIL KANE


more ... ?

[Demonhood]

Alex Ross

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[omac]

any links to this ross guy ?- sorry i'm sooooo out of touch...

[G Barnett]

Here's a Ross link:

Look Here

G Barnett

[daimoni]

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[omac]

crap...

quote - ..'the michaelangelo of comic books'
neal adams work on batman early 70's = look & learn .. Kiddo..

its ALL been done before but BETTER...

[BlackGriffen]

Just off the top of my head, I have a soft spot for Spawn (Todd McFarlane). Sad thing is that I haven't actually read it: I've just seen the HBO cartoon and the movie, and like the atmosphere and premise.

If you want to include manga, Rumiko Takahashi (spelling?) of Ranma 1/2 fame has always gotten a laugh out of me.

I probably like them more for their writing than their artistry, though.

BlackGriffen

[The Ginger Rat]

George Perez- his work on the New Teen Titans of the late 90s was awesome. Great art, imaginatively layout.

John Byrne and the X-Men or the Avengers- wow, he was good. HE really did the characters of Alpha Flight well, but the comic suffered when he did the whole shebang- he should have stuck to art.

Man, I can't remember- who was the awesome inker who teamed up with Byrne on the Phoenix saga?

[omac]

john byrne was good..

other forgotten masters- you guys might want to check up..

1. frank bellamy
2. will eisner
3. richard corben
4. jean giraud.....

is that enuff?

[jholmes]

Guys, guys, guys...

All bow to the master -

Mort Drucker

Honorable mention to Jack Davis

Not true "comic book" artists but the MAD magazine of my childhood would never have been what it was. These guys are great.

[omac]

don martin was v.v.v.v. funny too

mad was excellent... once

jack davis - superb comic book artist , i agree there !

wally wood too..

[ringo]

Some of my faves...

Milo Manara

Tim Vigil

Robert Crumb

[scaught]

Originally posted by jholmes:
<STRONG>
Not true "comic book" artists but the MAD magazine of my childhood would never have been what it was. These guys are great.</STRONG>

ah yes. MAD magazine alumni sergio aragones.

you have to appreciate and respect the time he put in to those huge splash scenes in every groo comic with thousands of little guys all over the place butchering each other.

frank miller gets high marks from me. ooh. geof darrow as well. he (and frank miller) did a comic called hard boiled that was very bad ass.

if you havent read that, i would highly highly recommend it.

[pathogen]

I agree with whats been said, especially Miyazaki, Moebius,and Byrne. I've been a big Frank Miller fan, and always enjoy Art Adams.

But I have to say that Bill Sienkiewicz probably changed my life, due to my serious pre-teenage envy of that epileptic graphic style. The Shadow and Electra were incredible. Not to mention his New Mutants work.

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[poocat]

wow.
i like you guys more and more every day.

list:

miller (sin city-silent night will show you how)
jim lee (anyone remember how GORGEOUS wildcats 5 was?)
seinkewitz (sp?)
milo manera (great call)
moebius (brilliant. you know there's an airtight garage on odiaba in tokyo?)
romita jr. (daredevil w/ miller?!)
geoff darrow (hardboiled is brilliant, as is anything he draws)
tim sale (long halloween but also everything else)
tim bradstreet (cover artist extrodinaire)
mignola
david mack (kabuki, which you NEED to see)
charles vess (stardust is masterful)
masume shirow


damn. can't remember the name of the croatian guy who's art i LOVE. you all (someone) must know him... he did a grendel tales (matt wagner's stuff) series... two, actually... and a starwars series...

daco macan and edvin bukovic? those are the names that come to me now...
one of them is the artist and one's the writer and i've probably misspelled both names...

i miss comics... oh well. there's a ton of 'em here, but i can't read 'em. you know how it goes.

poocat.

[Miniryu]

Originally posted by omac:
<STRONG>john byrne was good..

other forgotten masters- you guys might want to check up..

1. frank bellamy
2. will eisner
3. richard corben
4. jean giraud.....

is that enuff?</STRONG>

For all of you people who know "real" comic book artists, how could you forget David Mazzucelli?!?! This guy was one of the greatest superhero artist of all time!

[Miniryu]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
<STRONG>Alex Ross

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Alex Ross is a good cover artist, but as far as drawing actual comic books I don't think he is that hot.

As for guy who liked Todd McFarlane, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and assume that you have not read a(many) comic book(s) before. For your future information: Todd is a horrible artist. 'Nuff said.

[Cellery]

I like Joe Madureira, Jim Lee, and J. Scott Campbell since my drawing style is similar to theirs. Frank Miller is also good, and I really like the writing and art of Yasuhiro Nightow.

[dgs212]

Originally posted by pathogen:
<STRONG>I agree with whats been said, especially Miyazaki, Moebius,and Byrne. I've been a big Frank Miller fan, and always enjoy Art Adams.

But I have to say that Bill Sienkiewicz probably changed my life, due to my serious pre-teenage envy of that epileptic graphic style. The Shadow and Electra were incredible. Not to mention his New Mutants work.

[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: pathogen ]</STRONG>

Oh god! Have you read Seinkiewicz's "Plastic Forks?" That graphic novel is amazing.

Personally I think Chris Ware is the most amazing comic artist around right now. "Jimmy Corrigan, Smartest Kind on Earth" is possibly the best comic book I've ever read. It's a bit pricey at $40 for the graphic novel, but it's worh every penny. I'm considering buying another one so i can make the little cut-outs. (see links below)

Also, Daniel Clowes gets my vote for best artist/writer combo. Talk about poigniant.

Also, i must give a shout out to Windsor McCay, of "Little Nemo in Slumberland" fame. Amazing, amazing, amazing. Check it out.

Sample images from "Jimmy Corrigan"

Review of "Jimmy Corrigan"

full pages from "Jimmy Corrigan"

A Little Nemo strip Be careful, this one will automatically forward you to the next panel after a few seconds, so You'll have to read quick or keep hiting the back button.

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[dgs212]

Also, I'm feeling Dave Cooper, who draws pip and norton, among other things. very funny, and very well drawn. He also draws these nonsensical machines that are so well colored it boggles the mind. Do a google search.

[sdchef]

Originally posted by pathogen:
<STRONG>I agree with whats been said, especially Miyazaki, Moebius,and Byrne. I've been a big Frank Miller fan, and always enjoy Art Adams.

But I have to say that Bill Sienkiewicz probably changed my life, due to my serious pre-teenage envy of that epileptic graphic style. The Shadow and Electra were incredible. Not to mention his New Mutants work.

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New Mutants ROCKED when Sienkiewicz was on it. sooooo edgy!

but I gotta go old school Neal Adams
simple
dark

[voodoo]

HERG�

No doubt in my mind - absolute genious!

[ReggieX]

Kirby? Bleah. I like Eisner better.

Originally posted by dgs212:
<STRONG>Have you read Seinkiewicz's "Plastic Forks?" That graphic novel is amazing.</STRONG>

That was Ted McKeever, and after 2 issues I was bored to death. Bill did "Stray Toasters."

I loved MAD! Sergio Aragones had a series out recently called "Actions Speak" which were hilarious! Must haves for fans of the man.

[scaught]

Originally posted by dgs212:
<STRONG>


Personally I think Chris Ware is the most amazing comic artist around right now. "Jimmy Corrigan, Smartest Kind on Earth" is possibly the best comic book I've ever read. It's a bit pricey at $40 for the graphic novel, but it's worh every penny. I'm considering buying another one so i can make the little cut-outs. (see links below)
[ 04-25-2002: Message edited by: dgs212 ]</STRONG>

mylord. those acme novelty library books pretty much changed my view of comics forever i think. such an absolutely perfect presentation of comics as art. all the books looking different, those crazy cutouts, sigh.

[Sven G]

Oh... sweet memories!

I would say Goscinny & Uderzo for Asterix; M�zi�res & Christin for Val�rian & Laureline (aka Linda & Valentin in the Scandinavian countries); and, of course, Herg�'s Tintin.

Those, mainly, were the "classics" I read during the '70s and '80s (of course, also together with the various Superman, Batman, etc.).

On the erotic front, Milo Manara is, of course, always great - and there's also, in particular, Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri with his Druuna.

And I'll never forget (don't know if they also were known outside Italy) De Maria & Bonvi's Il gruppo TNT and Bonvi's Sturmtruppen (a dementially hilarious parody of the Nazis, where the characters spoke with German-like "suffixes" in almost all words: for example, "computer" would become "computeren").

... And here, for those who might be interested, are some, IMO, interesting links:

http://www.asterix.com

http://perso.club-internet.fr/dugueta/

http://www.tintin.be

http://www.milomanara.it

http://www.druuna.net

http://www.nickcarter.it/nickcarter.htm

http://www.geocities.com/sturmtruppenit

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[itomato]

Jim Woodring



Read "Manhog Behind the Face" here:
http://www.jimwoodring.com/comics_pa...nhog_btf1.html

And of course, there's Mr. R. Crumb.

[digimage]

1. Bill Sienkiewicz
2. Arthur Adams
3. George Perez
4. Carmine Infantino
5. Neal Adams

And every other artist that's had to churn pages for "The Man".

Except Rob Liefeld. What an untalented, arrogant prick.

[�]

AZPIRI. I like the way he draws the hair of his mostly erotic characters.



bytheway, spiderman looks like the gimp out of pulp fiction

[vmarks]

Originally posted by dgs212:
<STRONG>

Oh god! Have you read Seinkiewicz's "Plastic Forks?" That graphic novel is amazing.

[ 04-25-2002: Message edited by: dgs212 ]</STRONG>

Before plastic forks, and something worth seeing for every Seinkiewicz fan:

Stray Toasters.

Seinkiewicz shows his love for the work of Gustav Klimpt -- it's amazing.

[jog]

Originally posted by voodoo:
<STRONG>HERG�

No doubt in my mind - absolute genious!</STRONG>

I second that, he's the man.

[omac]

worth it just for the thompson twins..

[daimoni]

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[Too Much Coffee Woman]

he's not the best....


but MY favorite is Travis Charest. i just like his detail and fine art type skill mixed with the pulp art comic standard...

anybody know if he's doing anything still? i don't collect comics too often anymore.

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by vmarks:
<STRONG>Before plastic forks</STRONG>

*ahem* TED bloody MCKEEVER already *ahem*

Bill's done sod all of interest since the demise of "Big Numbers," 10 years ago.

I would also like to add Paul Pope in there, as I had a list that somehow didn't make it to the board in a flaming OmniWeb crash.

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[osiris]

Robert Crumb - check out Fritz The Cat!

Fritz The Cat

[Miniryu]

Originally posted by Too Much Coffee Woman:
<STRONG>he's not the best....


but MY favorite is Travis Charest. i just like his detail and fine art type skill mixed with the pulp art comic standard...

anybody know if he's doing anything still? i don't collect comics too often anymore.</STRONG>

You know, I didn't like Travis's style when he first started because he was trying to clone Jim Lee's crappy stuff. Once he developed his own style he turned out some great stuff. I would recommend any of the books put out under the WildStorm line over anything at the big two- you should look into comics again.

[poocat]

major problem with charest (who's later wildstorm stuff was absolutely gorgeous) is that like most of those guys, he could never meet any deadlines, and so he eventually had to be taken off every book he worked on, and i'm pretty sure he's not putting out anything now... which is a shame.

i'd like to throw humberto ramos up here, for fun & clean work that's a joy to read, and second the paul pope nomination. great call there. ramos' work on impulse changed that book for the better, and i bet a whole lot of people even bought the incredibly crappy "crimson" because it was so gorgeously drawn (by ramos).

adam hughes is also a great artist... but suffers from the charest syndrome... in fact, he may have invented it.

but would someone remind me of that guy who used to draw x-men... drew the dark phoenix saga... damn he's good. (was, that is).

[dgs212]

Originally posted by ReggieX:
[QB]Kirby? Bleah. I like Eisner better.



That was Ted McKeever, and after 2 issues I was bored to death. Bill did "Stray Toasters."
QB]

Oops. *hangs fanboy head in shame*


You should've stuck it out with Plastic Forks. It gets really, ummm, bizarre towards the end.

Any crap, I was over at St. marks Bookstore in NYC today (Third Ave and 9th street), and they had the hardbound Jimmy Corrigan graphic novel for $30. Seriously, it will change your perceptions of what comic books can be.

[cpt kangarooski]

For art, let me add Stan Sakai ("Usagi Yojimbo") and Zander Cannon ("The Replacement God") to the list.

But for story, I'd have to say Mark Oakley ("Thieves and Kings").

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by dgs212:
<STRONG>Any crap, I was over at St. marks Bookstore in NYC today (Third Ave and 9th street), and they had the hardbound Jimmy Corrigan graphic novel for $30.</STRONG>

Don't need it, I've been on that mofo from the beginning! It's so much cooler coming home from the comic store with an issue of ACME Novelty Library that's 10 1/2" x 18"

Everyone I know who's been raves about St. Marks, I really gotta get there one day...

[fearman111]

Many greats have been mentioned already, but how about

-Steve Ditko (I mean, they STILL haven't improved on the Spider-Man costume)
-John Romita Sr. (dynamite run on Amazing Spider-Man back in the day)
-Curt Swan (did Superman for freakin' decades!)
-Mike Grell (LOVED his Legion stuff)

Also, really liked Frank Miller's Daredevil, pretty much any Gil Kane stuff, Neal Adams, and have huge respect for Eisner and Kirby. The Spirit was amazing, and Kirby was about the best storyteller there was.

fm111

[anarkisst]

Wow, lots have been mentioned here I love too.

But wait, no Los Bros Hernandez? Jaimie and Gilbert Hernandez of Love and Rockets? Their comic turned me back onto comics again in the late '80s and the '90s. Their Mr. X series was great too.



Another new and up and coming comic artist is Paul Pope. Check out his THB, One Trick Rip-Off, Escapo books and the Vertigo series Heavy Liquid. Very fluid and strong visual style.

One artist not mentioned whom I met. Jim Steranko. Changed the look and design of comics in the '60s.

Gene Colon, Mike Ploog, Bernie Wrightson, Robert Williams, S. Clay Wilson...the list would go on for a while...

[omac]

anarkisst , you KNOW your stuff..

good taste BTW..

[omac]

fearman111 too.. exc choices... obv. of the old school... !

right on !

KING KIRBY , eh ?

his work with joe sinnot on FF in 60's is still to be surpassed .. and his genius at work in early 70's DC is a marvel ( no pun intended.. ) to behold..

Jim Steranko - exc -( nick fury..)

modern comics just dont seem to have the same .. i don't know

..attitiude..?

[fearman111]

I think the difference with modern comics is that since Neal Adams, there's been a kind of realism in everyone's style, since Art Adams & Jim Lee, it's been a detail/linework/too-busy kind of style, and the storytelling has been lost.

Panels are too busy, and not many have mastered the panel-to-panel transitions, page compositions and pacing of the old masters.

Soon I will have the entire run of Justice League of America.

fm111

[poocat]

ah,
see, it's not that the panels are too busy (if they are you're right, you're looking at shitty art) but that OCCASIONALLY WE'RE SICK OF KIRBY.

sure the man was great.

but what?!

come now.
come now.

i'm as big on the classics as anyone. neal adams is a god. but you have to be careful comparing great storytelling (kirby) with great art (jim lee, to be specific, who, though he initiated a fad, draws much better than most of his copycats, which is why he started the trend.)

it's not that i disagree with your nominations, it's that you NEED to understand the work lee did that changed the way comics were drawn. it wasn't all about mcfarlane/liefeld-esque shite, it was about beauty. and it still should be, as much as it should be about storytelling. look at all the above lists... everyone on them (most of them anyway) are there because of their ability to convey a place and a story. lee does that just as well as most anyone (though not as well as a few, which i agree) but lumping him in with the shite that came afterwards... well... that's just not cool.


poocat.

[fearman111]

poocat, I didn't mean to say that Lee was crappy, but that like any innovator, the imitators they (unintentionally) spawn do kinda suck.

What I was trying to say is that those who follow a fad often seem to miss the fundamentals that make the greats great. I meant to put Lee and Art Adams above the crowd that followed.

It's as plain as day that Jim Lee had a profound impact on his medium. But like all great movements, it brought some crap along with it (you know who I mean).

I like a ton of stuff (and when I got to this thread, pretty much just the old school artists were left). And yes, I should know better than to make sweeping generalizations about the state of today's pencillers on far too little sleep, and a bit of a hangover.

Beauty vs. storytelling? IMHO, should be a balance of the two, a personal taste.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention George Perez!

fm111

[Fredo]

http://www.berniewrightson.com/