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iBabo · Nov 10, 2002, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Manlance:
There once was a time when lefties were willing to take up arms against fascist dictators.

apperently thats no more. you dont se people taking arms against bush...thats a pitty.
you know the country is in need of a revolution (violent or nonviolent), when the leader was not the majority's choice.

roger_ramjet · Nov 10, 2002, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by iBabo:

you know the country is in need of a revolution (violent or nonviolent), when the leader was not the majority's choice.

You know someone is in need of a new brain when they think that Bush is the problem and not Saddam Hussein.

iBabo · Nov 11, 2002, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by roger_ramjet:

You know someone is in need of a new brain when they think that Bush is the problem and not Saddam Hussein.

call me selfish, but bush is more of a direct threat to my freedoms then sadaam who is in butt f.u.c.k. egypt. (its an expression i know iraq is not in egypt).

Nimisys · Nov 11, 2002, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by iBabo:

apperently thats no more. you dont se people taking arms against bush...thats a pitty.
you know the country is in need of a revolution (violent or nonviolent), when the leader was not the majority's choice.

please re-read the consititution and reasons behind the current elective process and the electoral college in general. your right Bush didn;t have the popular majority, though he did have the geographic majority, and the only one that counted, the electoral majority

Manlance · Nov 11, 2002, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by iBabo:

call me selfish, but bush is more of a direct threat to my freedoms then sadaam...

Perhaps you really believe this. Still doesn't make it true, though.

iBabo · Nov 11, 2002, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Manlance:

Perhaps you really believe this. Still doesn't make it true, though.

ok explain to me then, how a country's leader half way across the world, who has been in power for 20+ years and hasnt done anything, is a trheat to MY PERSONAL FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS. im not jewish, nor do i have family in isreal, so there is no threat to any of my family members. bush on the other hand, is a dyslexic moron who has the IQ of a brick. he and his right wing idealogys are, in my opinon, more of a direct thrreat to me and my personal freedoms and human rights, then a dormant dictator half way across the world.

daimoni · 01:13 AM

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thunderous_funker · Nov 11, 2002, 08:02 PM

iBabo takes the argument a bit too far, IMO, but I agree with him in principle. Bush is more of an immediate threat to me and my freedoms than Iraq. I'm more scared of Bush & Co. than I am of Iraq.

daimoni · 01:14 AM

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iBabo · Nov 11, 2002, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by daimoni:

Agreed. However I support the latest UN resolution regarding Iraq. Not that the UN has shown any resolve with their previous ones.

If the UN proves yet again how toothless they are, then I think they should dissolve the UN. Not that I wish for that. I still want to 'believe' in what the UN stands for.

that UN resolution makes it almost impossible for sadaam to comply.for example, in the resolution it gives the UN power to take out anyone from the country and their family and take them to any country of their choice for an interview. which means the UN could take sadaam and his family to gunatanimo, for a 6 month interigation. should he not comply, it would trigger the war Bush is looking forward to. that resolution might as well have been a resolution for war.

iBabo · Nov 11, 2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by daimoni:

I detest Bush... but your argument falls to pieces around the "hasn't done anything" part.

what i meant by that is "hasnt done anything [to me]"

iBabo · Nov 11, 2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
iBabo takes the argument a bit too far, IMO, but I agree with him in principle. Bush is more of an immediate threat to me and my freedoms than Iraq. I'm more scared of Bush & Co. than I am of Iraq.

thanks..i knew i couldnt possibly be the only one with some sence in me.

SimeyTheLimey · 10:37 PM

Originally posted by iBabo:
tin the resolution it gives the UN power to take out anyone from the country and their family and take them to any country of their choice for an interview. which means the UN could take sadaam and his family to gunatanimo, for a 6 month interigation.

Er, no, that's wrong. It's not a power to arrest. The Resolution allows the UN inspectors to offer asylum to people and their families where Iraqis have information about illicit weapons of mass destruction. Otherwise, scientists and others in Iraq would not be able to talk for fear of torture and death for themselves and their families. Don't forget that Iraq is a police state of the first order.

Such a provision is essential if the UN inspectors are to have any hope of getting to the bottom of what the Iraqis have been up to in the four years since the inspectors were last allowed into Iraq. Iraq is a country the size of France and there are only going to be about a huindred inspectors. So they are going to need informants.

The only hope for avoiding war is for the inspections to be really tough and rigorous and thereby provide a sense of security to the international community that has learned the hard way not to trust the Iraqi government's word. Otherwise, the only option is to go in and remove the threat by force.

daimoni · 01:14 AM

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daimoni · 01:14 AM

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iBabo · Nov 12, 2002, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by daimoni:
just how many Armenians were killed by Turkish government?

wow, you just pushed the wrong buttons.

first of all over 2 million armenians were killed...more were deported.

and turkey has affected me personally...turkey has done alot to me. and continues to, with their constant denial of the genocide. if it wasnt for the gencodie, i would be living in my own country, speaking my own language, and not assimilating and losing identity. and turkey hasnt done anything to america, which is why they arent doing anything about it..they(america)dont care about justice or human rights, just money, and only when it involves them. i have chosen to take the same stance on the iraq issue. if you dont agree on my issue, then tel lme...why do you agree with the aministration in continueing its silence on the issue of the Armenian Genocide?

roger_ramjet · Nov 12, 2002, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by iBabo:

thanks..i knew i couldnt possibly be the only one with some sence in me.

You flatter yourself.

and turkey has affected me personally...

Yes, we all know that. That wasn't his point. Try again.

daimoni · 01:15 AM

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wdlove · Nov 12, 2002, 10:39 PM

Rep. Nancy Polosi, D, CA, from what I hear she's to be sworn in whin 24 - 48 hours. Nancy Polosi one of 58 members of Congress that belong to the National Socialist/Communist party. She's a member of the Executive Committee fo the party, part of the International Party! Check out the article in the Washington Times of today.

daimoni · 01:15 AM

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iBabo · Nov 13, 2002, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by daimoni:

Hold on, tiger. As roger_ramjet pointed out... that wasn't my point.

I used to have an Armenian-American girlfriend, so of course I know about the Armenian Genocide.

But how would you feel if you were a Kurd (yup, the Turks treated them like dirt too) and some guy on the Internet said in effect, "Iraq? What about them? They didn't do anything to me."

That's my point.

look, my point here is that ...iraq..has not done anything to ME...or is any percieved threat the this country. even if they COULD get nuclear weapons..they wouldnt be able to get it over here. i see bush as MUCH more a threat to me...and my personal freedoms then Sadaam. as for the kurds, i really dont have much sympathy for them, cuz they helped the turks carry out the armenian genocide of 1915.

SimeyTheLimey · Nov 13, 2002, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by daimoni:

Wow. You really are an idiot. Are you even old enough to vote?

Here is the article he's talking about. It doesn't say she's a national socialist (does he really think Pelosi is a Nazi?), it says she's a member of the Progressive Caucus. It then goes on to say that the Progressive Caucus has links to the Democratic Socialists of America, and that this in turn has links to the Socialist International. Personally, I didn't know there even was a Socialist International anymore. So the idea that this is a threat is a bit far-fetched.

Anyway, wdlove, there is a big difference between a Socialist and a National Socialist, and Socialists are not the same thing as Communists.

typoon · Nov 13, 2002, 10:44 AM

I hope it will be Nancy Pelosi as well. AS someone here said that she is so far left it should keep republicans in power for a while. Anyway I thought the Democrats were the party of the minority? It was nice of them to try and help out McCall in NY or Now not standing behind Harold Ford an African American who is trying to get power. They always say they are trying to help out the african americans because there is so much injustice but well as this past election shows I guess they are not really about much, Just keeping power.