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chris v · Apr 28, 2001, 05:48 PM

And what's in them?

I've got 1 slot filled with a Midiman Delta 44 (4 audio in, 4 audio out) analog/digital converter.

You-all who have towers with empty slots, fess up!

CV

r3nt · Apr 28, 2001, 06:30 PM

I almost bought a cube (I didn't think that I'd ever use any PCI slots), and now I'm really happy that I didn't...

I bought a Digidesign 001 system and use ProTools LE. This takes up 1 PCI slot.

r3nt

bluedog · Apr 28, 2001, 08:27 PM

I have a RageOrion128 as a secondary monitor - PCI, and an Adaptec 2940U2W for SCSI drives. BTW, the SCSI drives show up fine in OSX, you just can't boot from them without a ROM update (that adaptec says will never happen aside from their current cards).

The third slot is open; I've been interested in the new sound cards.

camera punk · Apr 28, 2001, 09:45 PM

Adaptec 2906 SCSI card (dead weight, but worth keeping around)
Belkin 4 port USB card (100 times better than a hub)

sorry, nothing fancy. all the fancy stuff's on the firewire ports.

Leonis · Apr 28, 2001, 09:57 PM

2 PCI slots are filled

1) ATI XClaim 3D 8MB video card
2) Empty <-------- Was thinking about adding a Matrox RT card....however after many testing I was very disappointed about this product....so....this slot will be emptied until I switch to another machine, I think...
3) Sonnet Temp IDE Controller

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chris v · Apr 28, 2001, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by r3nt:

I bought a Digidesign 001 system and use ProTools LE. This takes up 1 PCI slot.

r3nt[/B]

Ooh, now I'm jealous. I wish I had the bux (or the outboard gear) to run ProTools. I just finished a project in a studio where we mixed the whole thing in ProTools. Really cool stuff. The 24 track interface, and software (so you can import from a 2 inch 24 track analog deck) runs somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 GRAND!?

Still, to dream, eh?

CV

Cipher13 · Apr 28, 2001, 11:00 PM

1. Adaptec 2906 SCSI card.
2. -
3. Extra graphics card... not used...

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AirSluf · Apr 28, 2001, 11:08 PM

Two empty and a OEM SCSI card. Yes I do use it! But I have to boot back into 9 to use the scanner

exa · Apr 28, 2001, 11:14 PM

Biege G3 anyway... 3 pci slots...

1. Voodoo 3 2000
2. 2 port USB card
3. Midiman Audiophile 2496 (oh the sweet sound)

also have a 2 port firewire card and a 10/100 ethernet card that I can't seem to make fit in the box... I need more pci slots... argh...

Bigc · Apr 28, 2001, 11:50 PM

soundblaster, 2930 scsi

Ruddigger · Apr 29, 2001, 12:27 AM

Ummm... Empty...For now... I want a second monitor...

Must stop...Speaking in...Monotone phrases...

Now, where's my Root Beer?

scott brown · Apr 29, 2001, 01:50 AM

g4/733

radeon stock graphics card

pci slots:
xclaim vr 128 video card
apple ultra scsi card
apple ultra wide scsi card (from beige g3)
emagic audiowerk2 digital audio card

512 MB RAM
60 gig ide, 30 gig ide, 9.1 gig UW SCSI
DVD-R
UW SCSI Plextor 12x4x32 cdrw
various external SCSI perpherals (scanner, HD, etc)
Nokia 447XI Plus 17in monitor
Nokia 447XS 17 in monitor

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juanvaldes · Apr 29, 2001, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by camera punk:
Belkin 4 port USB card (100 times better than a hub)
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Can I ask why the PCI card is better then a hub? I have a hub and it seems to work just fine.
okay... I have 3 free slots...can't afford to buy anything to put in em!

Hell I Technically still owe my father $2400 or so for my computer setup as is. I would like to get a Radeon and use my current Rage Pro for a second monitor (can I do that?)

Cipher13 · Apr 29, 2001, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
Can I ask why the PCI card is better then a hub? I have a hub and it seems to work just fine.
okay... I have 3 free slots...can't afford to buy anything to put in em! Hell I Technically still owe my father $2400 or so for my computer setup as is. I would like to get a Radeon and use my current Rage Pro for a second monitor (can I do that?)

You can't do that because your current rage pro is an AGP card, and so is the Radeon, unless you got the PCI version - which would be a real waste.

And the problem is, you have only 1 AGP slot

Do you really need the Radeon? The Rage 128 is great for me, if its enough for you, I recommend you get another one of them, a PCI one for dual-monitor support...

The reason the card is better, is because the bandwidth is not shared between the 4 ports (a hub turns 1 port into 4, and therefore, if you have 4 devices on it all working at max throughput, then they'll only work at 12Mb/s divided by 4... get what I mean?

Not to mention you need a powered hub for it to be any good - the card provides power, I'd say.

Now, the card is much faster as it has all the bandwidth of PCI to spare, and doesn't feed off a single 12Mb/s USB port.

HTH

Cipher13

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TheDoctor · Apr 29, 2001, 10:31 AM

I currently have the OEM SCSI card using one slot.

I plan to get the SoundBlaster Live! card and another video card, which would leave me with one open slot.

Colonel Panic · Apr 29, 2001, 10:53 AM

Cipher! With all your digs on the Cube's expandability I thought you'd have some kick ass stuff in your PCI slots!

A SCSI card for legacy peripherals and an unused graphics card, with one slot still open?
Come on, get a digidesign system(they rock) w/ProTools, put that slot to work!!

chris v · Apr 29, 2001, 12:02 PM

What originally got me thinking about tis was an article Charles Moore, a Cube advocate, wrote at AppleLinks.com. He theorized that 8 out of 10 towers didn't have any cards in their PCI slots.

I figure the percentage of tower-owners, around here anyway, who were using their slots would be signifigantly higher. So far, only one in thirteen has all empty bays.

CV

G4ME · Apr 29, 2001, 12:02 PM

Ha ha I beat you all I have just my stock rage 128 pro in my AGP leaving my three PCIs empty. I want to repace the reage with a Radeon but my mom won't let me untill I have more money in the back and I pay off my car insurance. Hopefully I will get a soundblaster live and maybe a USB or even a IDE controller card.

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Apr 29, 2001, 04:57 PM

Chris, a nice 64 track system can be had for $7,995. A nicer 64 track setup can be had for $12,000. If you can come up with $800-900 you can get a 24 track system with an input box with the Digi-001. You should try to get your own setup and record whenever you like. The Protools software is very easy to use. Balance the cost of the Digi 001 against the cost of recording studios. Joe

jog · Apr 29, 2001, 07:36 PM

adaptec 2906 and macpicasso 750 graphic card, both currently unused...

OverclockedHomoSapien · Apr 29, 2001, 09:17 PM

One used: Soundblaster Live. This POS card doesn't support sleep.

G4ME · Apr 29, 2001, 09:29 PM

What do you mean that soundblaster doesn't support sleep will the computer crash after sleep? or will it not wake? card useless after it wakes? as a potential buyer I need to know.

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Locutus27 · Apr 29, 2001, 09:43 PM

ATI PCI Radeon 32mb DDR PCI 66 mhz Slot
3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 64MB PCI
OEM ATI Rage 128 16MB DVD Mpeg 2 Daughter Board
OEM ATI VR Xclaim 8MB A/V from Education B/W G3 A/V

All running in a B/W G3 400 Rev B DVD Zip 384 MB aand Mac OS 9.1
Dual 34.5GB Maxtor IDE HD's.

Locutus27

Waiting for a sweet DP deal... : )

Locutus27 · Apr 29, 2001, 09:50 PM

All used with 4 Apple Displays ; (2 )B/W 17 Studio Displays and (2)Graphite 15 LCD DVI.

Locutus27

Scotttheking · Apr 29, 2001, 11:05 PM

Slot 1 - stock rage 128
slot 2 - 4 MB video card, don't remember where from
slot 3 - 3 channel firewire card (one SWEET card)
slot 4 - empty, for now, will have ATA-100 card soon

Machine is a B&W G3-400

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zac4mac · Apr 29, 2001, 11:19 PM

Slot A: OEM Radeon AGP(to 20" Apple MultiSync)
Slot B: 2930CU OEM SCSI for peripherals; scanner, M-O, Jaz,CDR
Slot C: Waiting for the next Great Thing
Slot D: Orion PCI(to Compaq V70 17")

Slot C will either get a sound card or a drive controller in the coming year.

camera punk · Apr 30, 2001, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
Can I ask why the PCI card is better then a hub? I have a hub and it seems to work just fine.

a hub is 4 (or more) ports sharing a 12 Mbps connection. My USB card has four ports, each at 12 Mbps. i've noticed it speeds some things up, like scanning and syncing my Visor, but YMMV.

Cipher13 · Apr 30, 2001, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
Cipher! With all your digs on the Cube's expandability I thought you'd have some kick ass stuff in your PCI slots! A SCSI card for legacy peripherals and an unused graphics card, with one slot still open?
Come on, get a digidesign system(they rock) w/ProTools, put that slot to work!!

But i *CAN* put more in if I need to

DigiDesign? I'd have no use for it. And anyway, those things are soooo expensive down here its not funny

I could buy an iMac for that price...

Cipher13

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chris v · May 1, 2001, 10:10 PM

Sent a letter in to Moore's Mailbag with the results of my "poll." Here it is:

Greetings!
As a Cube (home) and G4 Tower (wk.) owner, I was interested in your PCI slot assessment. I've owned a few Macs over the years, and just got around to using a slot for an audio card here recently.

I did my own informal, and highly unscientific, poll on PCI slot usage over on the MacNN boards, and was slightly surprised by the results.

Out of 19 respondents: (18 G4 & 1 B&W G3)

3 with 0 slots filled.
6 with 1 slot filled.
7 with 2 slots filled.
1 with 3 slots filled.
2 with 4 slots filled.

I agree with your assessment that the Cube is perfectly expandable through Firewire, and I think it's been short-changed. My Cube's got a 40 gig firewire HD, a CD-RW and a Zip attached to it, and I can't think of anything else I need, or even want. It's a very capable, and stable machine.

But it does look like pros are using their slots, and for a pretty wide variety of uses. folks who responded are using SCSI cards, ProTools cards for audio, IDE, extra USB and Firewire ports, video cards for dual monitors, etc. the cards seemed to run the gamut. One respondent professed to have four video card with a monitor attached to each!

Chris

There you have it,
CV

chris v · May 1, 2001, 10:12 PM

Edit-- double post-- itchy "enter" finger.

[This message has been edited by chris v (edited 05-02-2001).]

Boodlums · May 25, 2001, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Slot 1 - stock rage 128
slot 2 - 4 MB video card, don't remember where from
slot 3 - 3 channel firewire card (one SWEET card)
slot 4 - empty, for now, will have ATA-100 card soon

Machine is a B&W G3-400

Hey, I'm getting a G3/400 this week. (finally replacing my 6100!)
Why did you get a firewire card when the B&W comes with fw already?

I need both SCSI 160 and 50-pin SCSI. I was going to get an Adaptec 29160N
but MacGurus.com recommend one ATTO card and one Miles -- I don't want to
use up 2 slots just for SCSI, cuz I need music recording PCI stuff (and now
after reading this thread I'll want a USB card too...)

thanks,
-Walter

Scotttheking · May 25, 2001, 01:06 AM

I have a rev 1 G3.
I don't know if this happens on all rev 1 G3s, but for me, my firewire does not work.
I discovered this after I spent $600 to get a good firewire drive (one of the new 40MB/sec ones), so I added a card.
Also, it is a Firewire RAID card, so if I expand, I can have a very fast RAID system on it.
Benchmarks on RAID for it are around 100MB/sec transfer rates.

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IceEnclosure · May 25, 2001, 10:35 AM

533 single processor, all slots open... grr

I can't afford any knick-nacks or whirly-gigs as of yet..

A USB card sounds nice though..hmmm (looking around at the many USB peripherals on my desk)

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chris v · May 25, 2001, 11:16 AM

Funny this topic should crop up again today. I just ten minutes ago finished stuffing a 2 port firewire card in the tower. Don't have a use for it yet-- it came free with the Pyro Firewire enclosure, and I figured what the heck.

Now, I need more devices! Sure would like a good Fireweire scanner...

CV

Corinthian · May 25, 2001, 11:18 AM

I have an Adaptec 2906! Quite useful for CD-RW, though you may find it too slow. I would say it's a balance for speed and price, quite a good bargain. I cannot think of anything that should be added to the PCI slot for being a normal, teenage user.

dfbennett · May 26, 2001, 02:48 PM

When I first got my G4 Sawtooth in Dec 99, I installed a SCSI card to use my external SCSI CD-R. I got a new firewire burner in April and sold the SCSI card and the old burner so now all my PCI slots are empty.

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Dr Evil · May 26, 2001, 04:51 PM

I have an Orange Micro 930U Scsi card and OEM Rage 128 in my 350 b/w g3. i only use it for my burner, and 4x is getting mighty slow.

I am looking to get a firewire burner this summer along with a shinny new DP G4....

capone · May 26, 2001, 05:20 PM

1. Radeon PCI
2. empty (i want a sound card)
3. SCSI Card

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G4/400 448 30,10 Rage128, Radeon
Performa 6116CD/60/700
Quadra AV
LC 575
LCIII
Apple IIgs

May 27, 2001, 01:28 PM

All three are filled. Video card for 2nd monitor, adaptec UW 2940 and sonnet tempo ide card.

I'd find a use for at least one more PCI slot if it was in there too!

kingturd · May 27, 2001, 03:17 PM

DP 500 G4... just has a SCSI card in the PCI slot, although my AGP and all my RAM slots are used.
233 G3... has a Voodoo2 and USB card

What ever happened to the old Apple computers like the 9500? It had at least 5 PCI slots and 12 RAM slots... mmmm.. 12 RAM slots...

ginoledesma · May 28, 2001, 09:24 AM

1 used (2nd NIC), 2 free.

godzappa · May 28, 2001, 04:12 PM

G4 400 (PCI Graphics)

No slots taken.. kinda sad, but really, I just havent had the need to buy any cards, and if the Cube had been out when I was in the market for buying I would have probably gone for a cube (although the price at launch would have put me off).

Saying this I will probably opt for a PCI Radeon by the summer, unless a really drool-worthy new Powermac is released, in which case I may have to just buy a whole new system.

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Macinstine · May 28, 2001, 07:05 PM

Fast wide SCSI / Fire wire
Radeon PCI
10/100 ethernet

Wish some one would make a fast erther net USB combo card orange makes one but it's PC only.

in My Biege MT

ddiokno · May 28, 2001, 07:27 PM

One Adaptec Ultra SCSI card....in a B&W G3 400....
dave

Norm1985 · May 29, 2001, 02:40 AM

Rage 128 Pro Graphics card from Blue and White
SCSI Card
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DP450

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S_Lanaway · May 29, 2001, 01:56 PM

2906 SCSI card
Delta 44 sound card