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Catalyst236 · Jun 5, 2002, 07:32 PM

....yesterday, totally unexpected.

Get it here:
<a href="http://www.icab-soft.de/download.html" target="_blank">iCab Downloads page</a>

Edited, took out the description of some the new features, cause I didn't want to spoil the fun of finding them out for yourself.......all I can say is it's got the soul of an anarchist

[ 06-05-2002, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: Catalyst236 ]

poocat · Jun 5, 2002, 11:51 PM

not really totally unexpected, since the last version expired in june 2002...

but welcome, none the less.
i wish he'd finish the css1/2 implementation...

i LOVE icab, because of all the options, but i have to say i'm starting to use mozilla more and more, not because it's faster (it's NOT) but because the tabbed interface is so wonderful (now if only they'd take it farther) and bec ause it renders so many things icab can't quite handle. it still doesn't render as well as ie (ie renders EVERYTHING at least passably) but icab definitely chokes on major corporate sites...

i love icab.
i wish i still felt like he was working on it all the time... feels like it's become a major side project instead of a focus... which is a shame, because it has SO much potential.

it's great, keep it coming!

poocat.

Catalyst236 · Jun 6, 2002, 02:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by poocat:
not really totally unexpected, since the last version expired in june 2002...<hr /></blockquote>2.7 still works for registered users ( shame, shame)

and 2.8 was actually leaked 2 days BEFORE the "2.7 preview" expired (which was the unexpected thing I was really refering to) so whatever, anyone who's registered had no problems and got a sneak peak.....

<blockquote>quote:<hr />but welcome, none the less.
i wish he'd finish the css1/2 implementation...

i LOVE icab, because of all the options, but i have to say i'm starting to use mozilla more and more, not because it's faster (it's NOT) but because the tabbed interface is so wonderful (now if only they'd take it farther) and bec ause it renders so many things icab can't quite handle. it still doesn't render as well as ie (ie renders EVERYTHING at least passably) but icab definitely chokes on major corporate sites...

i love icab.
i wish i still felt like he was working on it all the time... feels like it's become a major side project instead of a focus... which is a shame, because it has SO much potential.

it's great, keep it coming!

poocat.<hr /></blockquote>Questioning development in a post that is announcing a new release is strange behaviour, poocat.

Funny thing is, those corporate sites have the most money to spend but usually have the poorest pages. Who needs standards when you have money

Things may have "seemed" quiet , be assured the gears are churning.

Edit: I removed my misplaced rantings about paying for shareware. I don't have the right to tell anyone how to spend their money. My sincerest apologies to everyone who read it before I was able to edit the post and eliminate my unsolicited drivel.

[ 06-07-2002, 01:02 AM: Message edited by: Catalyst236 ]

poocat · Jun 6, 2002, 11:08 AM

ah, you missunderstand me.
i've been using icab since the beginning, having abandoned all other browsers in favor of it a long, long time ago. if you look around this board you'll see that i'm one of the biggest icab boosters ever. i'm ALL ABOUT ICAB. but if i can't say what i think is wrong with it, then... what's the point? i'm here, i'm using it, i use it every day, and these are the problems i see. on the couple of occasions when i've written in with suggestions and or questions, i've gotten prompt (damn near instantaneous) responses in a kind, educated fashion. it's brilliant. i'm ALL ABOUT IT. but the one thing i need is more compliance. i love icab's rendering. the fact is it doesn't work with espn.com. sorry. it's a fact. i don't like it. i hate it. i hate having to use ie for one site.

go check it yourself. <a href="http://www.espn.com" target="_blank">www.espn.com</a> it's ugly.

sorry.
i know they're wrong and not icab.
i know it.
i still hate having to use ie/mozilla (which also has trouble with it) just so i can see sports pages. it's been more than a year, and i still can't quite check baseball scores. that, to me, is slow dev. again, i'm sorry about it, but i do love icab.

and, about the pay thing,

as SOON, absolutely AS SOON, as i can use icab in a full release version on most web sites I WILL SEND THAT MAN MY THIRTY DOLLARS. no fear.

i love icab.

but...

there are still reasons i use other browsers. mozilla for tabs, ie for usefulness.... that's a shame, considering i don't really like either of them.

poocat.

Catalyst236 · Jun 6, 2002, 04:33 PM

OK, this seems to be one of those situations where we are sitting in the same bleachers rooting for our favorite team, but our seats are so far apart, that we each have a different view of the playing field and don't agree on how the drama is unfolding.

I love hearing other peoples opinions, go see what I posted in the Moz thread ......

I just thought it was wierd hearing you say development seemed to have stalled, that's all.

Funny coincidence, btw, I used to have that same quote as my sig, but I quoted it from an interview that NPR did with Richard Pryor back in 1995 when he was bedridden and very sick......his version was,"The thing about life is, no matter how you slice it, you ain't gettin out alive."
Boy I miss him. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

clebin · Jun 6, 2002, 04:53 PM

Well, development has kind of slowed down, I'm afraid...

These features are definitely welcome improvements, but it's not the Chimera-like speed of development we used to see. I'd like to see iCab really look and act like an OS X app - Omniweb is to X what iCab is Classic right now. And of course, those rendering improvements.

But I'm always glad to see updates. I still have a real soft spot for iCab.

Chris

juanvaldes · Jun 7, 2002, 04:31 AM

okay, how the F do I get this thing to load a page?!?
I have DSL use Omniweb, gave up on iCab around 10.0.3 I guess and wanted to see how they compared with the espn example but iCab would not load ANYTHING. it would move for a second then stop. Do I have to do anything to make it even work?!?

On a brighter note I am glad to see its' not all fugly like it was a year ago (one of the MAIN reasons I ditched it, couldn't stand to look at the thing), but sorry guys without it even being able to render a single page for me I just can't see me switching.

IMO on a much brighter note I am glad to see iCab is not 100% out of the race, more development is a VGT�.

Catalyst236 · Jun 7, 2002, 11:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clebin:
Well, development has kind of slowed down, I'm afraid...

<hr /></blockquote>Sorry, but you're wrong........you can't compare it to the way other browsers are coming along. It's a unique piece of software headed down uncharted paths of control and configuration options like none other. No bloat here............slim and fast......I love it.

Catalyst236 · Jun 8, 2002, 12:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
okay, how the F do I get this thing to load a page?!?<hr /></blockquote>You should find the answer here : <a href="http://www.icab.de/faq.html" target="_blank">iCab faq page</a>

poocat · Jun 8, 2002, 09:26 AM

see, i just don't agree with you.

we used to get new versions all the time, with a final promised shortly.
now we get a minor update every six months, with no final in sight, but a licensing structure already available...

hmm.
strange.

that constitutes slowed development to me...

(this is not an anti-icab post. i completely agree with your previous post responding to our conversation.)

thanks,
poocat.

and it is quite strange that you had the same sig.

earie...

malvolio · Jun 8, 2002, 09:29 AM

Hey, iCab got Java now! This is great! And I looove the new multi-option cookie manager.
Now if it only had tabbed browsing and access to Services...

calimehtar · Jun 8, 2002, 09:20 PM

I have to agree about slow updates and a seeming stall in development. I think the problem is that the software is being written, essentially, by one person, and in C no less.

If I were using any os other than Mac OS X I would certainly be using iCab as my primary browser. Part of the iCab experience is the fact that it tries to let you render pages as you want to see them rather than as they were designed. The unfortunate thing is that some rendering bugs will make pages essentially unusable. I'm sure I've built a site or two that are total disasters in iCab for various reasons...

Anyway when iCab final comes out I plan to pay, whether I use the thing or not -- it's been a rather important piece of software for introducing the world to new useful browser features and I feel like I owe the developer(s) a little.

Catalyst236 · Jun 9, 2002, 05:41 AM

*heavy sigh*..........I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here. I really can't say what I want to on a public forum, 'cause I don't have permission to talk about certain things. It really doesn't matter........I've done my part.

Meanwhile, someone told me Lowendmac is putting together another "Browser Shootout" like the one they did in January, but this time for OSX , and it looks to be shaping up into a great article so check it out:

<a href="http://www.lowendmac.com/macdan/02/0606cl.html" target="_blank">Read Part One here</a>

Like anything else though, in the end you should decide for yourselves ....

poocat · Jun 10, 2002, 10:43 PM

so...

can you tell me how you know what you know but can't say?

i mean, are you just a fanboy w/ email?

are you a good friend of the guy?
are you a beta tester?

i mean, you don't have to tell us all what's up,
but if you gave us some information as to why to believe you,

well, that would be great.
because truthfully, i still try to use icab before i try to use any other browser. it's my favorite thing.
but sometimes it just bombs me out, and i get so disappointed.
it is in beta though...

pc.

Catalyst236 · Jun 12, 2002, 02:39 AM

Poocat, check your private messages.

"fanboy"----LOL

poocat · Jun 13, 2002, 01:25 AM

i love this company.

no, seriously.
i really appreciate that icab is trying to make browsing a user-controlable experience.
i use the ad filters, the cookie prefs, the general prefs... i ADORE the "open in background window" feature.
i love the small footprint. i love the speed. i love the stability.

yes.
i love the stability.
on my comp it's far more stable than mozilla or ie (though all three do crash at times.)

it's great.

pc.

Jun 13, 2002, 06:26 PM

Well Poocat, looks like I have a big pile of egg on my face today.

Getting the iCab betas is no secret at all. There's a oneliner casually placed in the latest readme file included with the downloads. :o I had the stupid thought of emailing Alexander, and asking permission to talk about them, then he says, "Yes, it's OK....it's mentioned in the readme files but who reads them."

Yup, and all this time I thought they were rewarding registered users by giving them access to the beta downloads as a little perk for "blind faith" in the company. Silly me.......back when I registered (version 2.51) there is no mention at all that I can recall (Then again my memory is shot...so

). Like I told you, I was totally surprised one day when I checked for an update, and iCab brought me to the betas page. Maybe somewhere along the line they figured more people might register if they enticed them with the betas. Who knows with those crazy Germans?

Having used this browser for about a year, I stopped reading the readme files long ago, thinking they contained the same basic info as always. Still, they are rarely talked about, maybe because not many people care?? I give up.....I'm not a geek, just a regular user.

It doesn't make much difference, I guess. It was fun to feel special for a while......regardless, you're right it 's an awesome browser.

At my current height of 1", I think I'll go crawl under that rock over there, and roll a cigarrette. The moral to the story.....READ THE README FILES.

poocat · Jun 13, 2002, 11:29 PM

my favorite thing about icab's read-me?

i don't understand it.
the whole filter thing, which i love as a feature...
well...

jesus.
just shows me how little i understand about my computer!

i love icab.

i really do wish the world worked in it... we need css1/2 support,
but i know they know that.
i love those germans!

poocat.

don't worry.
it's not like anyone else noticed either!

i mean, who really reads read-mes?

Catalyst236 · Jun 14, 2002, 01:08 AM

Edit: Removed long boring post.

You're right, it's no big deal, thanks.

Poocat, have a great weekend.

[ 06-14-2002, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Catalyst236 ]