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- - e r i k - - · Feb 13, 2008, 02:43 AM

First time I tried installing it hung on the blue screen. I thought **** and forced restarted the computer with dread (after waiting for 45 minutes). Started up fine, and the installer hadn't done any damage. Tried installing again and everything went smooth. I had already upgraded Font Explorer, so that was cool. Saft had also been updated, so that was another thing to do (while I was waiting for the graphics update to download).

Installed Saft and Graphics Update and have now been working like normal for the rest of the day with heavy Motion work.

Everything seems fine so far.

Simon · Feb 13, 2008, 04:41 AM

10.5.2 has run smoothly here so far. But just a couple of minutes ago I lost my menu bar icons. The Apple menu and menu entries are still there, but all the icons and the clock on the right side are gone.

They must still be there because I can use Spotlight form the keyboard, but the icons are gone. Restarting SystemUIServer has not helped.

Anybody else see this?

vexborg · Feb 13, 2008, 05:03 AM

Ok, upgraded to 10.5.2 yesterday - everything went smoothly, but when I tried to make a Bootcamp partition, it quickly went downhill.

In the middle of making the partition, Bootcamp crashed and took the whole system down with it (kernel panic)! Before I had 87 GB free space on my MacBook Pro, after the crash I ended up with 10 GB free space and no Bootcamp partition...

Also when running Disk Utilities from within 10.5.2, I was greeted with a drive size which were around -2000TB! Yep,a negative number... Not good at all

Hmmm... Might just have been a fluke, so I booted from my Leopard DVD, ran Disk Utilities to fix the drive, that worked ok - everything went back to normal

Then I tried to repeat it all again - same result!

My plan, when I get home from work today it to format the whole drive, install 10.5.1 again (thank god for backups), run Bootcamp again - and not upgrade to 10.5.2 until there is a solution from Apple, something must be wrong...

patricr · Feb 13, 2008, 07:56 AM

Since doing the combo upgrade, my Apple external USB modem lock up the system. Did all the usual things- repair permissions (hoo boy does it take a long time now!) fsck -fy on start up. Start up from clone 10.5.1 and modem works fine.

voodoo · Feb 13, 2008, 08:03 AM

All in all, 10.5.2 seems to be closer to what a well tested and well crafted 10.5.0 should have been. Perhaps Apple will have achieved release quality in 10.5.3?

We can only hope.

Azzgunther · 09:15 AM

Agreed. 10.5.0 ran perfectly for me but was missing some features. 10.5.2 also runs perfectly. It's about what I'd have expected from the initial release. Spaces is a lot snappier on my dual-1.42ghz G4.

They still have important things to add. Seriously...we can only organize searches by "Name", "Kind", and "Last Opened"?

Cadaver · Feb 13, 2008, 11:28 AM

Even after 10.5.2 update and the Leopard graphics update, the OpenGL performance of X3100 systems is still pretty lousy - worse than the GMA 950.

Big Mac · Feb 13, 2008, 12:42 PM

How can that be possible? I thought the X3100 was about twice as fast as the 950.

Simon · Feb 13, 2008, 06:15 PM

There have been a lot of issues with the X3100 drivers.

ipsych · Feb 13, 2008, 06:33 PM

What is changed after installing the update?

I had a screen saver with password protection (log in after exiting screen saver) -- after installing the update, the screen saver was changed and the password protection was off. Also the autoupdate setting which was switched off was turned on.

Is this normal behavior for a OS update? New functions, bug fixes, yes, certainly, but changing settings like these? I'm especially angry about the password protection -- I use it at the office and if I hadn't used a different screen saver, I wouldn't have seen it until I had continued working.

UpQuark · Feb 13, 2008, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Azzgunther

Agreed. 10.5.0 ran perfectly for me but was missing some features. 10.5.2 also runs perfectly. It's about what I'd have expected from the initial release. Spaces is a lot snappier on my dual-1.42ghz G4.

They still have important things to add. Seriously...we can only organize searches by "Name", "Kind", and "Last Opened"?

This has always been the case with 10.5. Frustrating, I know, but that is all you get

Sn1PeR · Feb 13, 2008, 09:28 PM

My Office 2008 is having problems also! My Excel is unusable, I can do basic entry, but as soon as I try to make a chart I get a spinning ball for upwards of 30 seconds while it hangs at 100% cpu usage. Even trying to title the chart results in a 30second hang.

I'm on a G4 1.33Ghz Powerbook with 10.5.2 and 2GB ram.

Simon · Feb 14, 2008, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

10.5.2 has run smoothly here so far. But just a couple of minutes ago I lost my menu bar icons. The Apple menu and menu entries are still there, but all the icons and the clock on the right side are gone.

I just saw it happen again.

I think it's related to switching screen resolutions. Wen I go from using the internal 15" screen on the MBP to using it in closed-lid mode with an external 23" monitor. This time around I was able to get the icons back by opening the display Sys Prefs, going first to a lower screen res, and then back to the usual 23" resolution.

Voch · Feb 14, 2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

10.5.2 has run smoothly here so far. But just a couple of minutes ago I lost my menu bar icons. The Apple menu and menu entries are still there, but all the icons and the clock on the right side are gone.

I had this happen to me once. And I do use an external monitor at times, so switching from the internal display to the external one or vice-versa may have been the trigger. I also noticed that when it happened I could drag windows into and above the menu bar as if it wasn't there.

Eug · Feb 14, 2008, 01:38 PM

I had that menu-icon-loss thing happen once when I was running a Front Row enabler (before Front Row was standard).

Are you running any sort of hack?

Simon · Feb 14, 2008, 02:01 PM

Nope.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 14, 2008, 02:08 PM

I was shocked how buggy spaces was but after this 10.5.2 update I am discusted that the bugs are still there. Daily I deal with apps that are in the forground but the windows are all invisible because of spaces.

Even worse opening a open/save dialog box and switching spaces can cause you to be totally locked out of that app when you switch back to it.

I don't know why Vista is getting such a hard time for the bugs when Apple is virtually ignoring these issues and getting all the great press.

10.5 is by far the buggiest OS I have ever used since 10.0.

PaperNotes · Feb 14, 2008, 02:12 PM

I'm as happy as a fanboy with the quality of Leopard right now.

Flagheimer · Feb 14, 2008, 02:20 PM

There are new charging messages (well new to me, at least -- been running on a PB G4 since 2004).

Opened up my PB, still plugged in the outlet, a few messages I saw next to the battery: "Not Charging" "Finishing Charging"

Big Mac · Feb 14, 2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

I was shocked how buggy spaces was but after this 10.5.2 update I am discusted that the bugs are still there. Daily I deal with apps that are in the forground but the windows are all invisible because of spaces.

Even worse opening a open/save dialog box and switching spaces can cause you to be totally locked out of that app when you switch back to it.

I don't know why Vista is getting such a hard time for the bugs when Apple is virtually ignoring these issues and getting all the great press.

10.5 is by far the buggiest OS I have ever used since 10.0.

So you have issues with Spaces. Clearly Apple needs to improve the feature. But I don't see how you can jump from that to vilifying the whole OS. For me 10.5.2 has been rock solid and I'd say by far the best release of OS X. It has given new life to my already wonderful G5.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 14, 2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

So you have issues with Spaces. Clearly Apple needs to improve the feature. But I don't see how you can jump from that to vilifying the whole OS. For me 10.5.2 has been rock solid and I'd say by far the best release of OS X. It has given new life to my already wonderful G5.

Spaces is just the tip of the iceberg. There are plenty of other HUGE bugs that make it working with professionally extremely difficult.

Heck even my Time Machine refuses to backup to an internal drive and I thought this update was going to fix that.

Gavin · Feb 14, 2008, 05:14 PM

I had a weird thing where a cd I put in did not mount. I was able to mount it from the disk utility. Don't know if it's related to the update. Can't reproduce it.

Also the thing where windows randomly loose focus is still alive and kickin - argh.

lastly, I have some grand funk railroad cranked and I'm hearing a really bitchin wah-wah riff that I never noticed before. I think it's because I repaired permissions.

Jo.Li. · Feb 14, 2008, 05:30 PM

I have upgraded my mbp to osx 10.5.2. and I'm happy, the system is more responsive and fix my problems with airport and the dock.

TETENAL · Feb 14, 2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Heck even my Time Machine refuses to backup to an internal drive and I thought this update was going to fix that.

Time Machine backs up to internal drives just fine.

I would say that Spaces issues had to be expected if you consider that most applications have been written without Spaces in mind. It would have been great if Apple got it perfect right from the start, but that they didn't doesn't mean you can't work professionally. People worked professionally with Macs without Spaces for over two decades. And somehow they managed.

analogika · Feb 14, 2008, 06:03 PM

Funnily enough, one of the last windows I've had disappear due to the Spaces bug was the Software Update window.

I'm pretty sure Apple themselves made that.

And your response to the point about "working professionally" is rather silly. People were working professionally with typewriters for decades before computers were even around.

Fact is, if system functionality is unleashed upon the world, it needs to WORK. If you make your living working with computers, functionality that doesn't work is a real detriment (losing an application window during a project is rather impractical, and if it happens in front of a client, potentially disastrous even if nothing is lost).

So at this point, it may be worth NOT using Spaces. (My experienced bugs with it have been very few, and never mission-critical, so I'm okay with using it, though.)

- - e r i k - - · Feb 14, 2008, 06:11 PM

Yeah, besides not being able to actually use Spaces or Back to My Mac, 10.5 has been nothing but good to me. The Finder alone has increased my productivity (read: ability to surf more on work time) immensely!

MOTHERWELL · Feb 14, 2008, 06:28 PM

I also got the blue screen hand and did a force restart. Loaded up fine....but I still seem to be having the problems with Spotlight and Time Machine

Spotlight never stops indexing. Oddly it says it is indexing my computer name - not my HD name.

And the little spinning circular arrows never stop next to my Time Machine drive. I can see the arrows in a finder window next to the drive. It isn't updating when it's doing this. The fist time I actually needed to use time machine to get a file that I had recently trashed didn't work because TM hadn't updated.

- - e r i k - - · Feb 14, 2008, 06:36 PM

I had to reformat the TM HD once because the same thing happened to me. TM stopped updating for a while, and I found out that the HD had been made Read Only. Reformatted it, made a new full backup and it has worked flawlessly since.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 14, 2008, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Time Machine backs up to internal drives just fine.

yes for you. But there are tons of discussions of it not working for no damn reason and no way to fix it.

Don't assume that just because you aren't having problem the dozen well known bugs don't effect a lot of people.

FOR ME, this is the buggiest OSX since 10.0. It was bad timing for the OS as obviously the attention went to the iPhone and even with the delay they still had to scramble. Just look at the 10.5.2 update. It was HUGE they had to fix so much.

i look forward to 10.5.3 because this last update only cured 2 of my 6 or so serious problems.