[Face Ache]

Dealing with scum all day would make a person short-tempered, yeah?

So get out of their ****ing way!

[ambush]

Now that's an excuse.

Sorry, but for the education they have, they get the best salaries. It's like 60k+ here for a débutant.

[deej5871]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

While I am at it:

Where do you think that money comes from?
Do you think the individual officers have to sell their homes and chip in to pay?
Do you think attorneys are going to bill the officers for representing the Department?

When there are not enough police officers around and it takes an hour for them to get to 911 calls because the force is stretched too thin then people like you are the first ones to bitch up a storm asking why they don't hire more officers. Your opinions, like you, are retarded.

So...when is it okay to sue the police? If I get brutalized I should just STFU because we don't want less officers on the force, even if some of those officers are unnecessarily violent?

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by deej5871

So...when is it okay to sue the police? If I get brutalized I should just STFU because we don't want less officers on the force, even if some of those officers are unnecessarily violent?

There are other channels you can use besides a lawsuit. Go to the mayor's office, the chief of police, newspapers or other media, city council, etc. Any of those could get new programs started or result in a suspension/firing of the officer(s) involved. If you're seriously injured or nothing happens, then a lawsuit might be in order.

I've always wondered where the sense of entitlement to financial gain comes from after something like this happens. Use that money for more training or more police, but giving it to a victim of an individual officer's bad judgement doesn't help anyone.

[noreturn]

Ambush, why must you go around calling anyone that disagrees with you a redneck cowboy? You think because you're a bilingual liberal type that you are somehow more enlightened than the rest? That's the problem with most of the more unintelligent liberals (I'm making no assumptions about the general left); you seem to think that because you rush into change head first, that everyone else is either backwards, obsolete, and just too plain stupid to keep up.

Give it a rest with your righteous indignation at the suffering of a fellow human being. What exactly did you hope to accomplish by calling the officers bitches? If it was to reduce the amount of attention being paid him, then I think you may have succeeded, but other than that your cries of outrage were detrimental to the situation.

P.S. I have never so much as touched a gun, but even I know that you hunt deer with.. wait for it.. deer rifles. Stick that in your French translator and smoke it.

Originally Posted by bad_quote

Whatever. They were the losers in high school that everybody made fun of.

I think the joke is meant to go the other way. As in the popular jocks are the ones that will flip burgers for you. Not that I can picture you getting along with anyone in any situation.

Originally Posted by bad_quote

On top of that I just had great sex about an hour before, and they didn't since they were on the job.

Yeah, I hope the nasty policemen didn't hurt your "me time" hand. That's old leftie, right?

[freudling]

There are many irascible people on this forum. Wait for it: Americans are aggressive. Ha!

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by ambush

I've been arrested too not so long ago.

It was at the end of a college party (the biggest college party there is in town... it is in an actual government funded college and there are thousands of people drinking beer in the school.)... So anyway. I drank 3 beers there, was out of cash. Thank God I had not decided to take pot on me before leaving the house. Anyway... os the party eventually ends... at 2 am. We go outside (me, my sis, her friend, my GF, my cousin) and we see this fight involving a drunk guy and a cop. And I'm just horrified (like everyone on the scene, insulting the cops) at the scene because they ganged up (4 huge muscle cops) on him to make him pay and arrest him. At this moment there is a big "audience" watching and screaming. I'm one of the persons insulting the cops for beating the poor guy up (he's on the asphalt [u]suffocating[/b] because there are 4 cops on. And I'm screaming "chiens sals!!! c'est d'la brutalité"->"bitches, this is brutality." and i'm screaming very loud because I feel compeled to do so. Philosophically, when someone human suffers in front of me, and especially when it's the so called "serve and protect" guys who do it, I cannot stay there and do nothing. If I've had a camera, I'd have taken pix. But I just screamed. And then this officer asks me to leave. Not exactly. He insults me and then asks me to leave. I thought "I have the right to stay here and witness police brutality." Plus, I was with like 100 other students. So I didn't take it seriously. I said go **** yourself to the cop.

From that moment, till 4 am, my memory is blurry... but this is what I can recall. I say **** you and I feel that the cop suddenly changes attitude. All the rage in him, all his anger is now focused on me. He tries to grab me but I flee. I ran so freaking fast down the streets running on adrenaline. Some guy screamed "cours le plus vite possible"->"run as fast as you can" I ran so fast the cop could not catch me. By that time, I had lost my shoes (skate loose shoes) on the boardwalk and I had to stop... But to my surprise, the cop was coming in my direction. I was surprised, because I wasn't causing any harm to anyone. I was like 1km far from the scene. I thought... well I finally did what he wanted. While I was thinking that, the cop literally runs in me, I go down, he makes me suffocate and pass me handcuffs. And other idiot cops who haven't seen anything grab me violently and insult me "you ****ed up artist." They treat me like I have done something terrible and put the people's security at risk.

I don't wish this to anyone. You'll feel like ****, they'll humiliate you, they'll rough you up without leaving marks.

The cop job really brings out the worst in people. When cops are angry, they will beat you up, they will do stuff that is not just nor correct.

Finally, I passed like 1 hour in this horrible jail next to crack dealer thugs. And like. My aunt is this ultra good lawyer. And she calls the detention center and ****s them up real bad so they have to leave me.

I had 3 accusations when I was arrested... I remember 2 of them. 1. standing in an illegal place 2. refusing to coop. 3. ????
Before my aunt called, they were letting me understand that it was very serious and that I was completely ****ed up. I was a criminal.

Then they let me out and gave me a fee to pay. I will go to court soon because I don't want to pay this ****.

Police brutality is real, guys. I experienced it.
Left me pretty disturbed. And wasted my week end.

I am a fucing 135lbs guy with like no muscles. I was nearly pissing in my pants. And still, they acted like I was the worst terrorist.

CUE THE IRAQI "FREEDOM FIGHTER" SYMPATHIZER:

"This is the same kind of crap that the innocent Iraqis are experiencing every day at the hands of the brutal American killers. Except that in Iraq the innocent die."

"Don't the cops know that all this brutality is doing is breeding more rude French speaking artists who will hate cops."

I'm sorry you had that experience. It makes us all realize freedom of speech isn't completely free.

No offense, but, if I had been a cop I'd probably do the same. 'You MUST know to have a healthy respect/fear of law enforcement,' is what I'd be thinking as a cop.

Using obscenity stepped over the line. You showed neither fear nor respect. Doesn't matter that they were brutalizing someone at the time. You lost control of your emotions and what happened to you is an example of what can happen when your heart does your thinking instead of your brain.

This thread is great! Name-calling (the "C" word, even!), deer rifles, Quebec, spelling errors, car chases, police brutality...

Damn, who's gonna turn this thread into a movie of the week??

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by acadian

Fact or conjecture have nothing to do with "projection" dumbass,

EXACTLY!! I was posting conjecture. WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROJECTION.

Congratulations you have now twice shown you don't know what the word means.

BTW when one is projecting, they are indeed trying to project FACTS where none simply exist.

motivation does. But I must have missed the lesson where the world was taught that even when Kevin is wrong he is right. Now go scurry off to your little vole hole but don’t forgot to claim some sort of lame ass nerd victory in the form of a thoroughly unoriginal graphic snippet before doing so....

Your mom didn't breast feed you did she.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ambush

Born again, christians in all their splendour. Gotta love the NN.
My daily dose of ****ing redneck cowboy absurdity.

LAWL! it's the Christian bashers in here that are getting arrested for redneck actions.

Dork.

Both Cash and Ambush are basically the losers you see on those Cop shows that do really stupid things, and then act like they are innocent, with their ever-changing stories.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by PacHead

The whole world is moving towards the right including various countries in Europe. I am sorry to tell you that this trend will only continue in the future due to various factors.

Interestingly, Nazis are "right-wing", so I was just having a little laugh at your idiot Nazi reference.

Your complete ignorance of German history of the past sixty years is quite amusing, especially since you keep bringing it up.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by analogika

Interestingly, Nazis are "right-wing"

I am glad you put that in parenthesis.

[residentEvil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I am glad you put that in parenthesis.

What parenthesis?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika

Nazis are "right-wing"

Uh oh. Someone's not been reading their copy of Mein Kampf.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Kevin

LAWL! it's the Christian bashers in here that are getting arrested for redneck actions.

Dork.

Both Cash and Ambush are basically the losers you see on those Cop shows that do really stupid things, and then act like they are innocent, with their ever-changing stories.

Ahhh! I always wondered who the folks were who 'auditioned' for that show!

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by residentEvil

What parenthesis?

I think it's related to avaiding.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Uh oh. Someone's not been reading their copy of Mein Kampf.

It's not standard literature over here.

And yes, Nazis are ultra right-wing, with hyper-conservative (i.e. reactionary) values.

It's a circular spectrum in some ways, though, with the extreme right wing folding back through the extreme left (i.e. Stalin and Hitler had much in common even though they actually got there from opposite directions in the political spectrum).

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika

It's not standard literature over here.

It should be. How can we learn from our mistakes otherwise?

Originally Posted by analogika

And yes, Nazis are ultra right-wing, with hyper-conservative (i.e. reactionary) values.

No. That's the lie, that's the mistake everyone is making all over again.

Hitler was a leftie. As was Mussolini. And Franco.

One simple truth: The "right" doesn't believe in the collectivist mechanisms which allow such leaders to come to power.

Originally Posted by analogika

It's a circular spectrum in some ways, though, with the extreme right wing folding back through the extreme left (i.e. Stalin and Hitler had much in common even though they actually got there from opposite directions in the political spectrum).

Arhh... The regular "circular spectrum" defence. Poor show. Believe those lies.

Anyways... ...As this isn't the Pol Lounge.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Doofy

It should be. How can we learn from our mistakes otherwise?



No. That's the lie, that's the mistake everyone is making all over again.

Hitler was a leftie. As was Mussolini. And Franco.

One simple truth: The "right" doesn't believe in the collectivist mechanisms which allow such leaders to come to power.



Arhh... The regular "circular spectrum" defence. Poor show. Believe those lies.

Anyways... ...As this isn't the Pol Lounge.

It's more of the difference between authoritarian and libertarian than general right and left.

Hitler was very authoritarian, but he was a little bit on the right side of the left-right spectrum.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy

IArhh... The regular "circular spectrum" defence. Poor show. Believe those lies.

"Defence"?


"DEFENCE"!?


Um, okay, Sherwin...

The entire German-speaking part of Europe - and I'm quite certain that French usage is equivalent - has Nazis at the right end of the political spectrum BY DEFINITION.

google Nazis + rechts ("right"), just to say that I'm NOT making this up.

"Rock gegen rechts" was an extremely high-profile anti-Neo-Nazi rock festival in the early nineties, when a number of East German Neo-Nazis got to thinking public opinion might tolerate beatings of asylum seekers. "Gegen Rechts" anti-swastika patches, buttons and stickers have been a staple of the left for decades. All politicians, including the Neo-Nazi parties themselves, speak of the brown parties as "right-wing". Etc. etc. etc.

An ideology based on exclusion, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and ultra-nationalism is right-wing by definition.

The fact that some get confused by the word "socialist" in the name doesn't make them left-wing in the slightest.

That, btw, is also the reason why Nazi-comparisons with George W. Bush, however inappropriate they may be in their scope, are fairly simple to construe.

-s*

[noreturn]

^^^ The man is right. No pun intended.

But no matter which way it swings, extremism never ends well. There are examples of atrocities from both end of the spectrum.

Not that being left or right really produces criminal leadership; it's the extremism, ambition, and, well, being a brilliant psychopath, that tends to produce such regimes.

[bad_quote]

ANYWAY, I don't see how what I did was extremism or in any way similar to ambush's insulting an officer and running from the cops.

[residentEvil]

maybe the smelled the pot coming from the window?

[noreturn]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

ANYWAY, I don't see how what I did was extremism or in any way similar to ambush's insulting an officer and running from the cops.

That's because we're bored of your lame story, Rob.

Even Mr. Canada's run in with Jonny Law was more engaging.

[OldManMac]

Making up stories to get attention, on a board where you've been banned frequently, is definitely extremism.

[bad_quote]

Yeah I made it all up. Considering this thread has over 2000 views and 5 pages it must be really really boring.

[noreturn]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

Yeah I made it all up. Considering this thread has over 2000 views and 5 pages it must be really really boring.

I'd query how many posts are actually to do with your story, and of those posts, how many are not calling you a moron/liar/baby of some kind.

Quit being such an attention whore.

[bad_quote]

Hi Budster.

[Randman]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

Hi Budster.

__ __

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Doofy

It should be. How can we learn from our mistakes otherwise?

Actually, you can't get your hands on a copy here unless you are studying history. But it is taught thoroughly at school.

Originally Posted by Doofy

No. That's the lie, that's the mistake everyone is making all over again.

Hitler was a leftie. As was Mussolini. And Franco.

Nonsense, Hitler wasn't a leftie.
One of the Third Reich's main ideologists, Alfred Rosenberg, was saying this quite clearly.

If you want to know more about the ideologie and understand it, I would suggest you to read the bible by Thamer. I read parts of it in High School and found it very insightful. .

Originally Posted by Doofy

One simple truth: The "right" doesn't believe in the collectivist mechanisms which allow such leaders to come to power.

Arhh... The regular "circular spectrum" defence. Poor show. Believe those lies.

The notion `the right' has nothing to do with the notion analogika and me are talking about. Circular spectrum is not a defense of anything. Nationalsocialism was a kundrum of mutually incompatible pieces of ideology.

I would suggest you to read up on some of the things before you make such uneducated guesses.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika

The entire German-speaking part of Europe - and I'm quite certain that French usage is equivalent - has Nazis at the right end of the political spectrum BY DEFINITION.

And yet the reason that old Adolf didn't like Jews was because he didn't like capitalism. In exactly the same way that the modern left doesn't like the Neocons (for "Neocons" read: "Jews").

Originally Posted by analogika

An ideology based on exclusion, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and ultra-nationalism is right-wing by definition.

The fact that some get confused by the word "socialist" in the name doesn't make them left-wing in the slightest.

This is the lie you believe. This is why it'll happen again.

Go educate yourself.

[bad_quote]

Here are the pictures i was arrested for but ultimately they deemed were fine taken from the sidewalk of an event happening on a public street. Note that I was not 'in the scene', I was right next to all the other onlookers on the sidewalk.

This one was taken from my window:

[bad_quote]

Here are my injuries:





You can't really see the bruises well in the last 2 pics, and that's after I cleaned up all the dried blood.

[keekeeree]

Ouch...

[bad_quote]

?!?!?!?!

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Doofy

And yet the reason that old Adolf didn't like Jews was because he didn't like capitalism. In exactly the same way that the modern left doesn't like the Neocons (for "Neocons" read: "Jews").

Non-sense. He didn't like `the fact' that Jews had all the capital. He was rather well-acquainted with people who had big money (Thyssen, Krupp, Ferdinand Porsche, just to name a few from the top of my head).

[analogika]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

Here are the pictures i was arrested for but ultimately they deemed were fine taken from the sidewalk of an event happening on a public street. Note that I was not 'in the scene', I was right next to all the other onlookers on the sidewalk.

What "other onlookers"?

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Doofy

And yet the reason that old Adolf didn't like Jews was because he didn't like capitalism. In exactly the same way that the modern left doesn't like the Neocons (for "Neocons" read: "Jews").



This is the lie you believe. This is why it'll happen again.

Go educate yourself.

He didn't like capitalism. Right. Which is why he was authoritarian rather than libertarian. Socially, however, he was right, not left.

[Cody Dawg]

Stradlater said

Hitler was very authoritarian, but he was a little bit on the right side of the left-right spectrum.

Yes, that's true.

In fact, some of you should take the political compass test to see where YOU are on the side of "right" and "left" and I think you might be very surprised.

[bad_quote]

Originally Posted by analogika

What "other onlookers"?

The 4-5 people standing to the left of me that I didn't take a picture of because htey were boring. ?! Look man, I'm not full of **** here. There were a lot of people outside gawking. I live in a huge apartment building, and this was a huge group of cops.

[Randman]

Other people would corroborate the story. What did the newspaper people say?

Have you contacted a lawyer?

[Cody Dawg]

My political compass reads:

Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

Just about where Gandhi was, surprisingly enough.

It kind of shocked me because I thought I was more Authoritarian.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

My political compass reads:

Economic Left/Right: -3.13

Socialist!

[wdlove]

Ouch, I wish you all the best bad_quote.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Stradlater

He didn't like capitalism. Right. Which is why he was authoritarian rather than libertarian. Socially, however, he was right, not left.

Not possible to be fiscally "right" and be authoritarian. The political compass which Cody posted is incorrect - the only possible real-world measure from that compass is a straight line from top-left to bottom-right (for example, it's impossible to be fiscally left whilst being libertarian - bottom left quarter - the measures required for the society to function as fiscally left require an almost complete lack of personal liberty).

Oh, and:
3.75 right.
0.92 authoritarian.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Not possible to be fiscally "right" and be authoritarian. The political compass which Cody posted is incorrect - the only possible real-world measure from that compass is a straight line from top-left to bottom-right (for example, it's impossible to be fiscally left whilst being libertarian - bottom left quarter - the measures required for the society to function as fiscally left require an almost complete lack of personal liberty).

The "libertarian" label isn't quite the same as our libertarian party here. It's, more specifically, "social libertarian." It is indeed possible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and vice versa.

I mixed with the labels a bit, sorry.

[TETENAL]

I'm shocked that Cody is a Nazi. And Gandhi!

[smacintush]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72

Hmm, pretty close to where I should be IMO…

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Stradlater

It is indeed possible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and vice versa.

No, not possible.

Let's take the fiscally left and socially libertarian quarter, for example. For a society to be fiscally left it requires something like communism - everyone working for the common good. This works until one person decides that they'd like two soma pills instead of their usual one. At which point in order to keep the fiscally left policy from failing the state needs to kick that person into line - which instantly removes the whole libertarian aspect.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Doofy

No, not possible.

Let's take the fiscally left and socially libertarian quarter, for example. For a society to be fiscally left it requires something like communism - everyone working for the common good. This works until one person decides that they'd like two soma pills instead of their usual one. At which point in order to keep the fiscally left policy from failing the state needs to kick that person into line - which instantly removes the whole libertarian aspect.

I meant it's possible for a [single] person's beliefs to be any. For a society to work, however, there are many more factors. In this case your example stops working because communism doesn't work.