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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I read that since its a civil suit, pleading the 5th is off the table. At least I think I read that.
From what I've read, you can assert the 5th in either type of case. But there's a very big difference.

Criminal case: taking the 5th cannot be used against you.
Civil case: the 5th can be used to draw adverse inferences. To make guesses about what bad things you are hiding. In practice, you don't want to claim the 5th in a civil case.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I don't read that as given up. I read that as getting aggressive.
Some people have cast it as a poke to the admin that even if Mueller's investigation is killed, they'll still have another fight on their hands.

It's probably just a bad PR play from the DNC.
     
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Apr 29, 2018, 10:33 PM
 
https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/sta...70725732462592
The HPSCI report on Russian interference recommends that Congress consider repealing the Logan Act
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/did-dona...-and-abuse-act
We knew that Wikileaks had sent Trump Jr. a message that included guessed login credentials of a default account on an about-to-launch anti-Trump website, and that Wikileaks encouraged him to visit the site. But we didn't know if Trump Jr. or anyone else had actually used the username and password.
The Minority report reprints an e-mail from Trump Jr. in which he admitted to just that. As reprinted on the bottom of page 33, here's what he wrote:
Guys I got a weird Twitter DM from [W]ikileaks. See below. I tried the password and it works and the about section they reference contains the next pic in terms of who is behind it. Not sure if this is anything but it seems like it’s really wikileaks asking me as I follow them and it is a DM. Do you know the people mentioned and what the conspiracy they are looking for could be? These are just screen shots but it’s a bully built out page claiming to be a PAC let me know your thoughts and if we want to look into it.
This sounds a lot like an admission that he committed a federal crime, and in particular a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(2)(c).
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Apr 29, 2018, 10:59 PM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.087f7e924e9f
According to the Democratic response, right after Trump Jr. set up the specifics of the meeting, he had two calls with a number in Russia belonging to Emin Agalarov. Between those two calls, the Democratic response recounts, Trump Jr. received a third call from a blocked number. Who might it have been?

Democrats wanted to find out, but Republicans blocked it from happening, according to the Democrats’ response.

“We sought to determine whether that number belonged to the president, because we also ascertained that then-candidate Trump used a blocked number,” Schiff said during our interview. “That would tell us whether Don Jr. sought his father’s permission to take the meeting, and [whether] that was the purpose of that call.”

Schiff added that Democrats asked Republicans to subpoena phone records to determine whose number it was, but Republicans “refused,” Schiff said. “They didn’t want to know whether he had informed his father and sought his permission to take that meeting with the Russians.”
Could be nothing but the GOP is afraid to know the truth on that one. I'm sure Mueller knows.
     
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Apr 30, 2018, 06:24 PM
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-senate-russia
The Stein campaign did provide part of the committee's request, but refused to turn over the campaign's internal communications regarding Russia policy, calling them “not pertinent to the subject of Russian interference” in the elections.
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Apr 30, 2018, 06:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.087f7e924e9f

Could be nothing but the GOP is afraid to know the truth on that one. I'm sure Mueller knows.
If he did, it would have been leaked by now. Besides, we all know Stormy will be Trump’s undoing.
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Apr 30, 2018, 07:24 PM
 
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If he did, it would have been leaked by now.
Do you actually believe Mueller's team is leaking, and if so, can you point to any examples?
     
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Apr 30, 2018, 11:05 PM
 
So, uh, the NYT got quite the scoop
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/u...mp-russia.html
     
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Apr 30, 2018, 11:24 PM
 
Holy shit... gonna be another infrastructure week.
     
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Apr 30, 2018, 11:36 PM
 
I don't get why either side would leak this.
     
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May 1, 2018, 06:28 AM
 
Me neither.

The most plausible option I’ve heard is it accidentally escaped from Trump’s legal team. Maybe through Dowd?
     
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May 1, 2018, 08:43 AM
 



The thing is... there seems to be evidence it could only have come from Trump’s team.

Current theory is they leaked it so they could blame Muller for the leak.
     
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May 1, 2018, 08:55 AM
 
One important point to remember is we can presume Muller won’t comment on any of this for possibly months. Trump can spend all that time trying to hang on to the narrative.
     
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May 1, 2018, 09:56 PM
 
This idea came to me, and I rejected it, but I’m hearing others saying it so I want to throw down.

I think there’s a possibility here the strategy is to crowdsource Trump’s legal defense.
     
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May 1, 2018, 10:31 PM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.5f97b39757c7
In a tense meeting in early March with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, President Trump’s lawyers insisted he had no obligation to talk with federal investigators probing Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

But Mueller responded that he had another option if Trump declined: He could issue a subpoena for the president to appear before a grand jury, according to four people familiar with the encounter.
I will say, I feel like negotiations for an interview have stretched almost six months and Mueller has been plodding on patiently. It will certainly reflect well on him if they do have to resort to a subpoena.


Paul Rosenzweig, who worked as a senior counsel on independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr’s investigation during the Clinton administration, predicted that the president would face a long interview if the special counsel hewed to the list Sekulow compiled.

“This isn’t a list of 49 questions. It’s 49 topics,” Rosenzweig said. “Each of these topics results in dozens of questions. To be honest, that list is a two-day interview. You don’t get through it in an hour or two.”
     
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May 2, 2018, 05:01 PM
 
Apparently, Jay Sekulow wrote and “leaked” the list of questions. They never came from Mueller.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Apparently, Jay Sekulow wrote and “leaked” the list of questions. They never came from Mueller.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post



The thing is... there seems to be evidence it could only have come from Trump’s team.

Current theory is they leaked it so they could blame Muller for the leak.
Precisely!

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May 2, 2018, 07:39 PM
 
Ty Cobb is out, Emmet Flood is in. Flood, a Republican, is best known for his work with Bill Clinton during his impeachment. Flood drafted Clinton’s response to the Starr report.
     
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May 3, 2018, 06:01 PM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.97c01cc73f3b
“Ivanka Trump? I think I would get on my charger and go ride into their offices with a lance, if they go after Ivanka,” Giuliani said. “Now if they do do Ivanka, which I don’t think they will, the whole country will turn on them. If they go after her, the whole country will turn on them. They’re going after his daughter?”
During Wednesday night’s interview, Giuliani called Kushner a “fine man,” but added that “men are disposable.”
Some punditry: I think this A. Giuliani trying to set a new 'red line' for the Mueller investigation and B. An attempt to create a deal by throwing Kush to the wolves in her place.
     
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May 7, 2018, 01:02 PM
 
The judge in the Manafort case wants the memo expanding Mueller’s authority, and said the case had nothing to with collusion, but an attempt to squeeze Manafort and get Trump.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ort/581806002/


The Russian troll farm surprised the Mueller team by sending lawyers, who demanded the evidence on their client, in addition to instances of the US interfering in foreign elections (like the Obama State department attempt to unseat Netanyahu) via discovery. The Mueller team asked for a continuance.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...muellers-files
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May 7, 2018, 08:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The Russian troll farm surprised the Mueller team by sending lawyers, who demanded the evidence on their client, in addition to instances of the US interfering in foreign elections (like the Obama State department attempt to unseat Netanyahu) via discovery. The Mueller team asked for a continuance.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...muellers-files
I hadn't seen this. Not sure if Russia is trying to call what they think a bluff or just feel like flat-out trolling us.
     
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May 9, 2018, 12:38 AM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8c06a49fafc9
President Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen was hired last year by the U.S.-based affiliate of a Russian business magnate who attended Trump’s inauguration and was recently sanctioned by the U.S. government, the company said Tuesday.

The New York investment firm Columbus Nova said it retained Cohen as a consultant “regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures.” Though Columbus Nova has been described in federal regulatory filings as an affiliate of the Renova Group, founded by Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, the company said Vekselberg was not involved with hiring or paying Cohen.
Avenatti did not provide supporting documentation for his claims, though Columbus Nova and AT&T, another company named in the document, both released statements in the hours after Avenatti’s disclosure confirming that they had business relationships with Cohen.
A person familiar with the inauguration said the partner was Intrater, and the New York Times has reported that Intrater and Vekselberg have both been interviewed by prosecutors working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.
How about some more smoke?

Why are these companies admitting to this so quickly when Stormy's lawyer hasn't provided proof?
     
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May 9, 2018, 07:36 AM
 
Did they admit to the payment, or that had a business relationships with Cohen?
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May 9, 2018, 10:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Did they admit to the payment, or that had a business relationships with Cohen?
At least Novartis, Korea Aerospace Industries and AT&T have admitted payments to Cohen's Essential Consultants LLC for getting “insights into the new administration” — so both. It seems that these companies already had enough insight into the administration to know about the existence of Essential Consultants in the first place.
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May 10, 2018, 07:35 AM
 
In other words, add Cohen to the long list of people who used their access to officials to cash in.
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In other words, add Cohen to the long list of people who used their access to officials to cash in.
What happened to “Drain the swamp!”? And being a good executive? And taking responsibility?
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May 10, 2018, 09:07 AM
 
It looks like the reason the companies so readily admitted to the unverified claims was because Mueller interviewed them about the payments back in November/December. Playing dumb about payments would have been a much worse look once everything came out.
     
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May 18, 2018, 08:42 PM
 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-ma...s&page=1&pos=1
A former son-in-law of President Donald Trump’s ex-campaign chairman pleaded guilty to federal criminal charges in a sealed proceeding in California in January and is cooperating with federal investigators, people familiar with the matter said.

Jeffrey Yohai, who until last year was married to one of Paul Manafort’s daughters, pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in the Central District of California relating to real-estate loans on properties in New York and California, one of these people said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u..._medium=Social
Yohai has not been specifically told how he will be called on to cooperate as part of his plea agreement, but the two people familiar with the matter say they consider it a possibility that he will be asked to assist with Mueller’s prosecution of Manafort.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1IJ2MV
U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed a key assistant of long-time Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone, two people with knowledge of the matter said, the latest sign that Mueller’s investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election is increasingly focusing on Stone.

The subpoena was recently served on John Kakanis, 30, who has worked as a driver, accountant and operative for Stone.

Kakanis has been briefly questioned by the FBI on the topics of possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, the WikiLeaks website, its founder Julian Assange, and the hacker or hackers who call themselves Guccifer 2.0, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said.
Reuters reported earlier this week that FBI agents working for Mueller delivered two subpoenas to Jason Sullivan, a social media and Twitter expert who worked for Stone during the 2016 campaign, and that agents told him Mueller’s team wanted to question him about Stone and WikiLeaks.
Noose tightening on this treasonous ****, I hope.
     
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May 18, 2018, 11:12 PM
 
I had missed this


https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-fl...nal-1489809842
Without mentioning Ms. Lokhova by name, one of the organizers of the event wrote about the evening in the Times of London last month. Christopher Andrew, who wrote the authorized history of MI-5, Britain’s domestic security service, described a woman of dual British-Russian citizenship who showed Mr. Flynn a number of historic Russian documents, including an “erotic postcard” that Joseph Stalin sent to a young woman in 1912.

At the end of the evening, Mr. Andrew wrote that Mr. Flynn asked the woman to travel with him as a translator to Moscow on his next official visit but that the trip never materialized. He said the two continued an email exchange on Russian history after the meeting.
Did Flynn fall for a honeypot trap?
     
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May 20, 2018, 07:48 PM
 
I guess some of us were so focused on Russian collusion, we never considered that the Trump campaign would probably be willing to collude with, well, everyone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/u...nce-zamel.html
Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son.
This sounds eerily familiar.

One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.
Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.

The company, which employed several Israeli former intelligence officers, specialized in collecting information and shaping opinion through social media.
So there are a lot of threads here so I'm going jump right in.

First off, we have Prince meeting with Junior, tying him to the campaign in a more 'intimate' manner.
Second, we have Nader, representing the UAE and Saudis; In the future he would be attending the same meeting as Prince in the Seychelles, a meeting convened by the Crown Prince of the UAE.
Third, we have an employee of a Israeli company that employs former intelligence officers. Could this be the same firm that would later look to dig up dirt on the Iran deal?

Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr. Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T. Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.
So, now we have a possible second reason for Trump to be hostile to the Iran deal. It ties Nader, Prince, and UAE.


After Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Nader paid Mr. Zamel a large sum of money, described by one associate as up to $2 million. There are conflicting accounts of the reason for the payment, but among other things, a company linked to Mr. Zamel provided Mr. Nader with an elaborate presentation about the significance of social media campaigning to Mr. Trump’s victory.
Another Cambridge Analytica?

It is illegal for foreign governments or individuals to be involved in American elections, and it is unclear what — if any — direct assistance Saudi Arabia and the Emirates may have provided. But two people familiar with the meetings said that Trump campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation with foreigners.

A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”

Mr. Nader had worked for years as a close adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, and Mr. Zamel had worked for the Emirati royal court as a consultant as well. When Mr. Trump locked up the Republican presidential nomination in early 2016, Mr. Nader began making inquiries on behalf of the Emirati prince about possible ways to directly support Mr. Trump, according to three people with whom Mr. Nader discussed his efforts.
Companies connected to Mr. Zamel also have ties to Russia. One of his firms had previously worked for oligarchs linked to Mr. Putin, including Oleg V. Deripaska and Dmitry Rybolovlev, who hired the firm for online campaigns against their business rivals.
You have got to be ****ing kidding me.

Mr. Zamel and Mr. Nader were together at a Midtown Manhattan hotel at about 4 p.m. on the afternoon of Aug. 3 when Mr. Nader received a call from Mr. Prince summoning them to Trump Tower. When they arrived, Stephen Miller, a top campaign aide who is now a White House adviser, was in Donald Trump Jr.’s office as well, according to the people familiar with the meeting.
*raised eyebrow*


Mr. Nader explained to Donald Trump Jr. that the two princes saw the elder Mr. Trump as a strong leader who would fill the power vacuum that they believed Mr. Obama had left in the Middle East, and Mr. Nader went on to say that he and his friends would be glad to support Mr. Trump as much as they could, according to the person with knowledge of the conversation.
The source here is Nader, right?

There were concerns inside the company, Psy-Group, about the plan’s legality, according to one person familiar with the effort. The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American law firm, and was told that it would be illegal if any non-Americans were involved in the effort.
The name and motto would be considered bad writing from a Bond Film.
     
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May 21, 2018, 12:28 PM
 
All part of "Operation Crossfire Hurricane."
8 signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump's campaign
It may be true that President Trump illegally conspired with Russia and was so good at covering it up he’s managed to outwit our best intel and media minds who've searched for irrefutable evidence for two years. (We still await special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings.)

But there’s a growing appearance of alleged wrongdoing equally as insidious, if not more so, because it implies widespread misuse of America’s intelligence and law enforcement apparatus.


Here are eight signs pointing to a counterintelligence operation deployed against Trump for political reasons.

Code name

The operation reportedly had at least one code name that was leaked to The New York Times: “Crossfire Hurricane.”

Wiretap fever

Secret surveillance was conducted on no fewer than seven Trump associates: chief strategist Stephen Bannon; lawyer Michael Cohen; national security adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn; adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner; campaign chairman Paul Manafort; and campaign foreign policy advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

The FBI reportedly applied for a secret warrant in June 2016 to monitor Manafort, Page, Papadopoulos and Flynn. If true, it means the FBI targeted Flynn six months before his much-debated conversation with Russia’s ambassador, Sergey Kislyak.

The FBI applied four times to wiretap Page after he became a Trump campaign adviser starting in July 2016. Page’s office is connected to Trump Tower and he reports having spent “many hours in Trump Tower.”

CNN reported that Manafort was wiretapped before and after the election “including during a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Trump.” Manafort reportedly has a residence in Trump Tower.
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I forgot to mention, it looks like Erik Prince lied to the HPSCI. Oh, and it looks like Roger Stone withheld evidence...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/roger-s...how-1527191428
In a Sept. 18, 2016, message, Mr. Stone urged an acquaintance who knew Mr. Assange to ask the WikiLeaks founder for emails related to Mrs. Clinton’s alleged role in disrupting a purported Libyan peace deal in 2011 when she was secretary of state, referring to her by her initials.

“Please ask Assange for any State or HRC e-mail from August 10 to August 30--particularly on August 20, 2011,” Mr. Stone wrote to Randy Credico, a New York radio personality who had interviewed Mr. Assange several weeks earlier. Mr. Stone, a longtime confidant of Donald Trump, had no formal role in his campaign at the time.

In another email, Mr. Credico then asked Mr. Stone to give him a “little bit of time,” saying he thought Mr. Assange might appear on his radio show the next day. A few hours later, Mr. Credico wrote: “That batch probably coming out in the next drop...I can’t ask them favors every other day .I asked one of his lawyers...they have major legal headaches riggt now..relax.”
Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the emails hadn’t been provided to congressional investigators. “If there is such a document, then it would mean that his testimony was either deliberately incomplete or deliberately false,” said Mr. Schiff, who has continued to request documents and conduct interviews with witnesses despite the committee’s probe concluding earlier this year said.

A lawyer for Mr. Stone, Grant Smith, said the emails hadn’t been turned over to House investigators because they were “not encompassed within the scope of the committee’s request.” Mr. Stone said the emails were preserved at the request of the Senate, which is also conducting a Russian interference probe. Mr. Smith said they hadn’t yet been given to investigators there.
After earlier asserting his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in the House probe, Mr. Credico now says he is willing to talk with investigators. He said he met on Wednesday with the committee’s Democratic staff members for what he called a limited conversation about WikiLeaks, the 2016 campaign and Mr. Stone.

As Mr. Credico has become more vocal about what he says are discrepancies in Mr. Stone’s account, Mr. Stone has responded with a series of threats, according to emails and text messages reviewed by the Journal.

In early April, in one of those emails, Mr. Stone accused Mr. Credico of serving as an informant.

“Everyone says u are wearing a wire for Mueller,” the April 7 email said. Two days later, Mr. Stone wrote: “Run your mouth = get sued.” Mr. Credico denies being an informant.

Mr. Stone said he was warning Mr. Credico against defaming him and urging him to “simply tell the truth.”
     
 
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