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D'Espice · Dec 28, 2004, 12:02 PM

Due to the catastrophe in the Pacific ocean, several big German radio stations decided not to play the song "Die Perfekte Welle" anymore. The song is a few weeks old, the English translation would be "The Perfect Wave". It is NOT about the catastrophe at all, it's just a song. To translate the chorus: "This is the perfect wave, this is the perfect day. Just tag along, better don't think about it" Alongside they also stopped playing several other songs, e.g. "Die Flut" by Witt/Heppner
That is so incredibly ridiculous that I am actually so startled, I don't know what to say. It seems like some people complained to the radio stations about these songs. Only in Germany, sh*t like this can happen. What do you think? Do American radio stations or MTV/VH1/whatever act similar? While we're at it, why don't stop playing "November Rain" or "Singing in the rain"? Or any song that even remotely relates to war? What a sad world we live in...

PS: It's not like I'd miss "Die Flut", I didn't really like that song to begin with. But "Die Perfekte Welle" is a great song that even made #1 in the German charts few weeks ago... how on earth could this happen? Here's the German Spiegel.de article for those interested in reading it: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/0...334676,00.html

OptimusG4 · Dec 28, 2004, 12:04 PM

Are you kidding me? Americans wanted to change the 911 emergency # to something else because it remided them of 9/11 too much. Only in this country can such stupidity exist.

paully dub · Dec 28, 2004, 12:06 PM

I take it the Pixies' Wave of Mutilation is a no no then as well.

SimeyTheLimey · Dec 28, 2004, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
Are you kidding me? Americans wanted to change the 911 emergency # to something else because it remided them of 9/11 too much. Only in this country can such stupidity exist.

Stupidity exists in all countries.

However, this "change 911" story is a new one to me. I don't remember anyone suggesting any such thing. Exactly how many Americans wanted to change it?

OptimusG4 · Dec 28, 2004, 12:11 PM

I don't know the exact story but it was on CNN Headline news one night and I even recall Dan Rather mentioning it as well. Just bugged the hell out of me hearing that.

Mastrap · Dec 28, 2004, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
Exactly how many Americans wanted to change it?

Three.

I kind of agree with the German decision though. It's not so much political correctness (the song hasn't been banned forever) but rather being sensitive to the feelings of the part of the population that might have lost relatives and/or friends in the disaster. It's just a sign of respect.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 12:12 PM

During the first Gulf War, radio stations in the UK and US were banned from playing certain songs. One that comes to mind was "Bomb the Base".

Very stupid, indeed. Imagine banning songs cause you're at war, d!cks.

D'Espice · Dec 28, 2004, 12:13 PM

Didn't know that either... stupidity does exist anywhere, sure. But the thing is, just because a few people wanted to change it in America it didn't happen. But because a few felt offended by these songs (that sounds so stupid......) they managed to achieve their goal. And that my friend is REAL stupidity.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 12:14 PM

Yeah, but imagine when Governments get involved to ban songs. So dumb.

D'Espice · Dec 28, 2004, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Three.

I kind of agree with the German decision though. It's not so much political correctness (the song hasn't been banned forever) but rather being sensitive to the feelings of the part of the population that might have lost relatives and/or friends in the disaster. It's just a sign of respect.

I don't consider it a sign of respect, I consider it stupid. Why ban songs that have nothing to do with what actually happened? Would there be a song about the actual catastrophe, I'd understand. But these are just songs that happen to have the name "wave" or "flood" in their name. In my opinion, a sign of respect would be if everybody not living in the disaster area would donate US $10. With that money, a lot could be achieved. Now that would be respect. Donating 10 bucks don't hurt anybody, but receiving 10 bucks could save people who lost everything but their hope.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 12:18 PM

Stupidity at its worst.

A list of "lyrically inappropriate" songs banned from
some US radio stations in the wake of the WTC attacks

3 DOORS DOWN - Duck and Run
311 - Down
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds
AC/DC - Hell's Bells
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
AC/DC - Safe in New York City
AC/DC - Shoot to Thrill
AC/DC - Shot Down in Flames
AC/DC - TNT
AD LIBS - The Boy from New York City
ALICE IN CHAINS - Down in a Hole
ALICE IN CHAINS - Rooster
ALICE IN CHAINS - Sea of Sorrow
ALICE IN CHAINS - Them Bone
ALIEN ANT FARM - Smooth Criminal
ANIMALS - We Gotta Get Out of this Place
LOUIS ARMSTRONG - What a Wonderful World
BANGLES - Walk Like an Egyptian
BARENAKED LADIES - Falling for the First Time
FONTELLA BASS - Rescue Me
BEASTIE BOYS - Sabotage
BEASTIE BOYS - Sure Shot
BEATLES - A Day in the Life
BEATLES - Lucy in fhe Sky with Diamonds
BEATLES - Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
BEATLES - Ticket to Ride
PAT BENATAR - Love Is a Battlefield
PAT BENATAR - Hit Me with Your Best Shot
BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
BLACK SUICIDE - Suicide Solution
BLACK SABBATH - War Pigs
BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS - And When I Die
BLUE OYSTER CULT - Burnin' for You
BOSTON - Smokin'
BROOKLYN BRIDGE - Worst that Could Happen
ARTHUR BROWN - Fire
JACKSON BROWNE - Doctor My Eyes
BUSH - Speed Kills
CHI-LITES - Have You Seen Her
DAVE CLARK FIVE - Bits and Pieces
PETULA CLARK - A Sign of the Times
THE CLASH - Rock the Casbah
PHIL COLLINS - In the Air Tonight
SAM COOKE - Wonderful World
CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - Travelin' Band
CULT - Fire Woman
BOBBY DARIN - Mack the Knife
SKEETER DAVIS - End of the World
NEIL DIAMOND - America
DIO - Holy Diver
DOORS - The End
DRIFTERS - On Broadway
DROWNING POOL - Bodies
BOB DYLAN - Knockin' on Heaven's Door
EVERCLEAR - Santa Monica
SHELLY FABARES - Johnny Angel
FILTER - Hey Man, Nice Shot
FOO FIGHTERS - Learn to Fly
FUEL - Bad Day
PETER GABRIEL - When You're Falling
GAP BAND - You Dropped a Bomb on Me
GODSMACK - Bad Religion
GREEN DAY - Brain Stew
NORMAN GREENBAUM - Spirit in the Sky
GUNS N' ROSES - Knockin' on Heaven's Door
HAPPENINGS - See You in September
JIMI HENDRIX - Hey Joe
HERMAN'S HERMITS - Wonderful World
HOLLIES - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
BUDDY HOLLY & THE CRICKETS - That'll Be the Day
JAN & DEAN - Dead Man's Curve
BILLY JOEL - Only the Good Die Young
ELTON JOHN - Benny & The Jets
ELTON JOHN - Daniel
ELTON JOHN - Rocket Man
JUDAS PRIEST - Some Heads Are Gonna Roll
KANSAS - Dust in the Wind
CAROLE KING - I Feel the Earth Move
KORN - Falling Away From Me
LENNY KRAVITZ - Fly Away
LED ZEPPELIN - Stairway to Heaven
JOHN LENNON - Imagine
JERRY LEE LEWIS - Great Balls of Fire
LIMP BIZKIT - Break Stuff
LOCAL H - Bound for the Floor
LOS BRAVOS - Black Is Black
LYNYRD SKYNYRD - Tuesday's Gone
MARTHA AND THE VANDELLAS - Nowhere to Run
MARTHA AND THE VANDELLAS - Dancing in the Street
DAVE MATHEWS BAND - Crash into Me
PAUL MCCARTNEY & WINGS - Live and Let Die
BARRY MCGUIRE - Eve Of Destruction
DON MCLEAN - American Pie
MEGADEATH - Dread and the Fugitive
MEGADEATH - Sweating Bullets
JOHN MELLENCAMP - Crumbling Down
JOHN MELLENCAMP - I'm on Fire
METALLICA - Seek and Destroy
METALLICA - Harvester Or Sorrow
METALLICA - Enter Sandman
METALLICA - Fade to Black
STEVE MILLER - Jet Airliner
ALANIS MORISSETTE - Ironic
MUDVAYNE - Death Blooms
RICK NELSON - Travelin' Man
NENA - 99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons
NINE INCH NAILS - Head Like a Hole
OINGO BOINGO - Dead Man's Party
PAPER LACE - The Night Chicago Died
JOHN PARR - St Elmo's Fire
PETER GORDON - I Go To Pieces
PETER GORDON - A World Without Love
PETER PAUL & MARY - Blowin' in the Wind
PETER PAUL & MARY - Leavin' on a Jet Plane
TOM PETTY - Free Fallin'
PINK FLOYD - Run Like Hell
PINK FLOYD - Mother
POD - Boom
ELVIS PRESLEY - (You're the) Devil in Disguise
PRETENDERS - My City Was Gone
QUEEN - Another One Bites the Dust
QUEEN - Killer Queen
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - [all songs]
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Aeroplane
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Under the Bridge
REM - It's the End of the World as We Know It
ROLLING STONES - Ruby Tuesday
MITCH RYDER & THE DETROIT WHEELS - Devil with the Blue Dress
SALIVA - Click Click Boom
SANTANA - Evil Ways
SAVAGE GARDEN - Crash and Burn
SIMON & GARFUNKLE - Bridge Over Troubled Water
FRANK SINATRA - New York, New York
SLIPKNOT - Left Behind
SLIPKNOT - Wait and
SMASHING PUMPKINS - Bullet with Butterfly Wings
SOUNDGARDEN - Blow Up the Outside World
SMASHING PUMPKINS - Fell on Black Days
SMASHING PUMPKINS - Black Hole Sun
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - I'm on Fire
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - Goin' Down
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - War
EDWIN STARR - War
STEAM - Na Na Na Na Hey Hey
CAT STEVENS - Peace Train
CAT STEVENS - Morning Has Broken
STONE TEMPLE PILOTS - Big Bang Baby
STONE TEMPLE PILOTS - Dead and Bloated
SUGAR RAY - Fly
SURFARIS - Wipeout
SYSTEM OF A DOWN - Chop Suey!
TALKING HEADS - Burning Down the House
JAMES TAYLOR - Fire and Rain
TEMPLE OF THE DOG - Say Hello to Heaven
THIRD EYE BLIND - Jumper
THREE DEGREES - When Will I See You Again
TOOL - Intolerance
TRAMPS - Disco Inferno
U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday
VAN HALEN - Dancing in the Streets
VAN HALEN - Jump
J FRANK WILSON - Last Kiss
YOUNGBLOODS - Get Together
ZAGER & EVANS - In the Year 2525
ZOMBIES - She's Not There

Mastrap · Dec 28, 2004, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by D'Espice:
In my opinion, a sign of respect would be if everybody not living in the disaster area would donate US $10. With that money, a lot could be achieved. Now that would be respect. Donating 10 bucks don't hurt anybody, but receiving 10 bucks could save people who lost everything but their hope.

effgee · Dec 28, 2004, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by D'Espice:
... Only in Germany, sh*t like this can happen. ...

If I didn't know better, I'd have been certain that you've never visited the US - the bellybutton of PC-speech.

- "Previously owned transportation" (used car)
- "Neutralizing a threat" (killing people)
- "Depopulating an area" (killing lots of people)
- "Bathroom tissue" (toilet paper)
- "Sub-standard housing" (low cost apartments)
- "Urban" (black)

Then you take a look at regular TV programming and take into consideration that a bare nipple provoked hundreds of thousands of outraged phone calls whereas nobody gives a sh*t if their kids watch the most violent crap just as long as there's no boobs involved. Next, you take a peek at the list of words you can not say on US TV/radio. Need we go on? In case of doubt - ask George Carlin - he knows.

Mastrap · Dec 28, 2004, 12:26 PM

Eric Idle's $70,000 fine song

Warning: Strong language. Oh yes.

ambush · Dec 28, 2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Stupidity at its worst.

A list of "lyrically inappropriate" songs banned from
some US radio stations in the wake of the WTC attacks
...
AC/DC - TNT
...

Ain't got no gun, ain't got no knife... don't you start no fight......

Lockup you daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your backdoor....

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by effgee:

Then you take a look at regular TV programming and take into consideration that a bare nipple provoked hundreds of thousands of outraged phone calls whereas nobody gives a sh*t if their kids watch the most violent crap just as long as there's no boobs involved. Next, you take a peek at the list of words you can not say on US TV/radio. Need we go on? In case of doubt - ask George Carlin - he knows.

[/B]

So very true.

Let's ban songs during a war in case it upsets the populace; yet let's show our troops cheering as they bomb the fcuk out of a village in some poor country.

Lateralus · Dec 28, 2004, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:

SMASHING PUMPKINS - Fell on Black Days
SMASHING PUMPKINS - Black Hole Sun

Soundgarden*

BasketofPuppies · Dec 28, 2004, 12:38 PM

People, there's a difference between political correctness and temporarily banning something out of respect for those who are dealing with extreme losses.

Especially when you take statistics out of context to prove your point. (Hint: bare breasts were very slowly becoming commonplace on U.S. broadcast television and were already common on cable. Perhaps the fact that the Super Bowl is family programming had something to do with all the complaints.)

lavar78 · Dec 28, 2004, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
A list of "lyrically inappropriate" songs banned from
some US radio stations in the wake of the WTC attacks

The compilation of that list might just be more offensive than hearing one of those songs on the radio. Besides, one could argue that Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" is exactly the kind of song radio should've been playing at that time.

effgee · Dec 28, 2004, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
People, there's a difference between political correctness and temporarily banning something out of respect for those who are dealing with extreme losses.

As mentioned above - if you want to show respect, organize donations (medicatione, cash, blankets, tents, etc.), donate some cash yourself and/or write to your local political representative and tell them to do something as well. Anything else is just facade.

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Especially when you take statistics out of context to prove your point. (Hint: bare breasts were very slowly becoming commonplace on U.S. broadcast television and were already common on cable. Perhaps the fact that the Super Bowl is family programming had something to do with all the complaints.)

Lol - I suggest you spend a few months in Germany - the difference will become very clear very quickly. I don't care much either way (my motto: "As long as you don't restrict on my freedom of expression, I couldn't care less") but in regards to that particular aspect the US is one of the prudest places I've ever been to.

As far as "family programming" is concerned - the thought alone that family and nudity are mutually exclusive tells most of the story ...

This is my personal impression/opinion and no - I don't want to argue about it, either.

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 28, 2004, 12:56 PM

when i got an iPod i stopped listening to radio

bling bling

lavar78 · Dec 28, 2004, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
when i got an iPod i stopped listening to radio

Ditto. 3+ years of music freedom!

BasketofPuppies · Dec 28, 2004, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by effgee:
As mentioned above - if you want to show respect, organize donations (medicatione, cash, blankets, tents, etc.), donate some cash yourself and/or write to your local political representative and tell them to do something as well. Anything else is just facade.

There's more to helping people in crisis than helping with their physical needs. You have to take their emotional needs into account too.

Is temporarily banning music (by the radio stations, not the government) only loosely related to a current crisis excessive? That's subjective, but it at least shows someone cares (even if it is misplaced or half-hearted).

placebo1969 · Dec 28, 2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Stupidity at its worst.

A list of "lyrically inappropriate" songs banned from
some US radio stations in the wake of the WTC attacks

<snipped>

Snopes if your friend. The list is B.S.

effgee · Dec 28, 2004, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
There's more to helping people in crisis than helping with their physical needs. You have to take their emotional needs into account too.

Agreed - but banning a song from German radio in order to respect the emotional needs of folks living in India, Thailand, etc. sounds kinda weird to me. But read on ...

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Is temporarily banning music (by the radio stations, not the government) only loosely related to a current crisis excessive? That's subjective, but it at least shows someone cares (even if it is misplaced or half-hearted).

Again, agreed - this entire "respect" thingie is highly subjective. Which is also the reason why I really don't care much whether or not they stopped playing a certain song. Just as long as people don't start looking at me crooked when I accidentally say "charcoal" the day after a fire killed a bunch of folks somewhere on the planet - that's when you know you should have done something against such an "evolution" of language.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 28, 2004, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by D'Espice:
Do American radio stations or MTV/VH1/whatever act similar?

Are you kidding? Did you see the list of banned songs after 9/11?

http://www.konformist.com/911/banned-rock.htm

PacHead · Dec 28, 2004, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Stupidity at its worst.

Yeah, no kidding. Especially since your list is a hoax, as pointed out by placebo. And that banning of 911 calls sounds like a load of crap too.

Don't believe everything that some asshats write on the internet.

Shaddim · Dec 28, 2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Stupidity at its worst.

A list of "lyrically inappropriate" songs banned from
some US radio stations in the wake of the WTC attacks

*SNIP*

First I've heard of it.

Edit: Oh, it's a hoax. I'm not surprised, lots of FUD like that going `round.

PacHead · Dec 28, 2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Are you kidding? Did you see the list of banned songs after 9/11?

http://www.konformist.com/911/banned-rock.htm

Another Canadian fooled by a stupid hoax.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 28, 2004, 01:52 PM

Got any proof it was a hoax?

PacHead · Dec 28, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Got any proof it was a hoax?

Yeah, read the snopes link that was posted.

Wiskedjak · Dec 28, 2004, 02:02 PM

Weren't the WTC towers erased from the original Spiderman movie?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 28, 2004, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Weren't the WTC towers erased from the original Spiderman movie?

yes, they refimed the end. They also tried to get rid of the trailer that showed the towers. The Collateral Damage movie also got shelved.

PacHead · Dec 28, 2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Weren't the WTC towers erased from the original Spiderman movie?

I read you can still see it in his eyes (reflection), though I haven't seen the movie again after reading that.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Snopes if your friend. The list is B.S.

Nope, sorry my friend, but some of those tracks were taken of the air. In regards to the Gulf War, I worked for the Government then, and we certainly sent out memos to the networks with our "thoughts" on what should be played.

I was there.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
First I've heard of it.

Edit: Oh, it's a hoax. I'm not surprised, lots of FUD like that going `round.

No, it's not a hoax. In fact, just hunt around for songs banned during both Gulf wars in the UK and US.

I personally sent out memos from Whitehall to radio stations.

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 02:22 PM

Just one example.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/2872713.stm

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yeah, no kidding. Especially since your list is a hoax, as pointed out by placebo. And that banning of 911 calls sounds like a load of crap too.

Don't believe everything that some asshats write on the internet.

You ****. I worked in the British Government during the first Gulf War, we certainly did aske radio stations to not play certain songs. The US did a similar thing. After 9/11, some US radio stations did indeed ban some songs.

Deal with it.

euphras · Dec 28, 2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by D'Espice:
... Only in Germany, sh*t like this can happen. ...
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Well, it�s not only the term "the perfect wave", that might offend some people. look at other parts of the lyrics:

"Dann kommt sie langsam auf dich zu, Du kannst nicht glauben, da� sie bricht...."

tranny: "slowly it (the wave) approaches you, You cannot believe that it breaks.."

Sounds scary in days, when breaking waves have killed > 30.000 people...

SubGeniux · Dec 28, 2004, 02:32 PM

As to the list, no-one denies that the list was written by Clear Channel, the question arises as to what, if any, songs were not actually played. So there you go, you guys are perfectly capable of acting like twats, American stupidity at its best.

Still, it's nothing compared to what was banned from the airways during the Gulf Wars.

Shaddim · Dec 28, 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
No, it's not a hoax. In fact, just hunt around for songs banned during both Gulf wars in the UK and US.

I personally sent out memos from Whitehall to radio stations.

Snopes said it's a hoax, take it up with them.

At worst, it looks like it may just be a "suggestion" list, but it's most certainly not a "ban".

theolein · Dec 28, 2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Lateralus:
Soundgarden*

Exactly.

TETENAL · Dec 28, 2004, 02:56 PM

The song isn't "banned", it is just not played right now. And I agree that it is inappropriate to play the song at this time. D'Espice, are you sure the artists disagree with this decision? Do you think they would play this song live to an audience that just heard about this disaster?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 28, 2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Snopes said it's a hoax, take it up with them.

At worst, it looks like it may just be a "suggestion" list, but it's most certainly not a "ban".

They said the BAN was a hoax but this list was made by clear-channel and distributed as suggestions. It was picked up by several American news outlets (not Canadian ones), who is stupid now?

Shaddim · Dec 28, 2004, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
They said the BAN was a hoax but this list was made by clear-channel and distributed as suggestions. It was picked up by several American news outlets (not Canadian ones), who is stupid now?

You're still stupid (your word). It wasn't a ban, and the argument that it was even a "suggestion" is quite debatable.

Read the Snopes link.

effgee · Dec 28, 2004, 03:22 PM

you guys done with the bilateral bickering?

lavar78 · Dec 28, 2004, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
It wasn't a ban, and the argument that it was even a "suggestion" is quite debatable.

I read the link. If Clear Channel distributed the list, it was clearly a suggestion by definition. If you meant "suggestion" as in something that is supposed to be received as an order without explicitly being one, you have a point.

Shaddim · Dec 28, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by effgee:
you guys done with the bilateral bickering?

Nah, it's too much fun.

BasketofPuppies · Dec 28, 2004, 03:47 PM

MacNStein, don't feed the trolls.

Spheric Harlot · Dec 28, 2004, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by effgee:
Agreed - but banning a song from German radio in order to respect the emotional needs of folks living in India, Thailand, etc. sounds kinda weird to me. But read on ...

I suggest you go visit tagesschau.de...

current death toll at almost 70,000, among them "hundreds" of German tourists.

I think it is safe to say that a LOT of people here are directly or indirectly involved in this catastrophe.