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Simon · Jul 1, 2004, 03:43 AM

zachs, thanks for the quick reply!

Originally posted by zachs:
No, the files in the smart folder do not show up in search results.

Great! The way it should be.

If you click Show All, you can then right-click on a file and Reveal In Finder.

What about directly clicking in Spotlight's panel? Can I click on entries right away? What about right-clicking? And what happens if I click on a left hand side item like "Applications" or "Folders"?

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
What about directly clicking in Spotlight's panel? Can I click on entries right away? What about right-clicking? And what happens if I click on a left hand side item like "Applications" or "Folders"?

If you mean the menu that appears when you type in your search...then, yes, you can select an entry to open it. No way to reveal in Finder from the menu, as far as I can tell.

Also, you can't click on the descriptions on the left.

Simon · Jul 1, 2004, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by zachs:
No way to reveal in Finder from the menu, as far as I can tell.

Too bad right-clicking doesn't work in Spotlight's menu. Maybe they can add that...

Also, you can't click on the descriptions on the left.

Ah, they need to add this. Clicking on "Applications" should open the /Applications. Well, OTOH maybe this could be confusing when in Spotlight stuff shows up under "Applications" which isn't actually found under /Applications...

mgrimes · Jul 1, 2004, 04:16 AM

Does anyone have any screenshots of Xcode 2.0? Seems like the only area not covered in this thread. Is it 'stable-enough' to work with or are there any large train-wrecks?

Someone reported Office 2k4 works fine, does VPC 6, OmniGraffle, and other 'essentials' work for testing/supporting/documenting code?

I would imagine PGP 8.1 Mail.app plugin is broken in Mail 2.0 just like Panther seeds.

Feeling out whether it is stable enough to work with to run the half-dozen apps I need day to day (pretty much only the above). The alpha seed for Panther was fine, would those running this seed of Tiger paint a picture that this is better or worse (stable or less stable) then the Panther counterpart?

I would be subjecting a Powerbook 1.25ghz / 2 gigs of ram to the install so that I can get a head start on the SDKs. I am simply wondering if the seed as-is is stable enough to do basic day-to-day from while spending most of the time in Xcode. So coming full circle what are people's thoughts with Xcode 2.0 -- is it ripe with application crashes?

Targon · Jul 1, 2004, 04:20 AM

NTFS - Does Tiger allow us to 'Write' to a connected NTFS formatted disk?

In Panther its Read Only, so its kind of useless most of the time.

Cheers

Mr Scruff · Jul 1, 2004, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by ul1984:
i dont know if this has been mentioned yet, but i found something called Quartz 2D Extreme(disabled by default) in Quartz Debug, and i thought this might be an attempt to try to offload Quartz 2D to the GPU.

so i tested it using Xbench.

Quartz 2D Extreme disabled:

Code:
Quartz Graphics Test 163.62 Line 128.18 3.26 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 157.49 11.08 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 158.53 3.65 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 154.16 1.68 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 276.89 4.51 Kchars/sec

Quartz 2D Extreme enabled:

Code:
Quartz Graphics Test 174.47 Line 127.18 3.24 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 157.36 11.07 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 157.85 3.64 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 151.55 1.65 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 664.02 10.82 Kchars/sec

notice the BIG text speedup!

then i opened Terminal and maximized the terminal window and typed "ps auxc", to try scrolling, and it sure is faster!

Am I the only one that's really fricking interested in this? Do you notice the text speedup anywhere else? Safari/word scrolling? I'm surprised it only appears to have affected text, I'd have thought it would have accelerated all 2D primitives.

milenko11 · Jul 1, 2004, 08:27 AM

Whoever has legit dev copies can you send feedback to have a hot corner for dashboard. This seems like such an obvious thing that I can't believe it isn't there already. I guess this is an extremely early version though.

cybergoober · 11:18 AM

F5 brings up Spotlight...

The "World Clock" Dashboard widget switches to white text on a black face after 6PM (AFAICT). During the day it is black text on a white face...

FlammableYurt · Jul 1, 2004, 12:19 PM

Does the paper tape in Calculator still disappear when you deselect the application? I don't understand why the ever did that, and it drives me crazy when I'm trying to copy several numbers... Please say no, please say no please say no!

cybergoober · Jul 1, 2004, 12:32 PM

Yes. Sorry. It appears to be a utility pallette type window...

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by cybergoober:
F5 brings up Spotlight...

Wow, cool! I didn't realize that!

bewebste · Jul 1, 2004, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by FlammableYurt:
Does the paper tape in Calculator still disappear when you deselect the application? I don't understand why the ever did that, and it drives me crazy when I'm trying to copy several numbers... Please say no, please say no please say no!

If this really bugs you, here's how you can fix it on your system (requires having the dev tools installed):
1. Control-click on the Calculator application and choose "Show Package Contents"
2. Navigate down to Contents/Resources/English.lproj
3. Double click on Calculator.nib. This should open up Interface Builder.
4. A bunch of windows will open up, click on the Paper Tape window (make sure not to click on any of the elements inside, so that the window itself will be selected)
5. Hit Command-1 to bring up the attributes inspector
6. Uncheck the box that says "Utility window", then uncheck the box that says "Hide on deactivate"
7. Save your changes and relaunch Calculator.

Musti · Jul 1, 2004, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
That's why I asked for full Xbench results. I'm sure there is a speed up across most of the system even if this is still a beta.

I was hoping for that, too. The system "feels" slower compared to 10.3.4.

Moose · Jul 1, 2004, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Musti:
I was hoping for that, too. The system "feels" slower compared to 10.3.4.

Developer.

Preview.

memory-minus · Jul 1, 2004, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Developer.

Preview.

Wait until they remove that debug code... then it will really scream!

bewebste · Jul 1, 2004, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by memory-minus:
Wait until they remove that debug code... then it will really scream!

If anyone mentions the debug code again, I think I'll really scream...

Moose · Jul 1, 2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by memory-minus:
Wait until they remove that debug code... then it will really scream!

Or you could wait until it's feature complete and actually optimized.

leperkuhn · Jul 1, 2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by hyperb0le:
But that breaks the cut-paste metaphor. If I cut a corner off of a piece of paper and don't do anything with that corner, that corner doesn't magically become reattached.

One thing the could do is make it so after you copy something, you can paste it with command-v or paste it and delete the original with command-option-v. That would make both sides happy.

How about a "Move" and "Move to Here" contextual menu items?

I hate using spring folders because I dont' like holding the mouse down for long periods of time.

Catfish_Man · Jul 1, 2004, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Musti:
I was hoping for that, too. The system "feels" slower compared to 10.3.4.

According to the developer release notes many optimization related things have yet to be implemented (stuff like not redrawing the entire window for some apps when you resize it).

hmurchison2001 · Jul 1, 2004, 03:40 PM

According to the developer release notes many optimization related things have yet to be implemented (stuff like not redrawing the entire window for some apps when you resize it).

Man every year we have some noob installing a DEVELOPER preview only to retort "geez it's kinda slow compared to my current OS"

I truly get scared when I see stuff that this. Can a person be THAT oblivious??

Moose · Jul 1, 2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by hmurchison2001:
Can a person be THAT oblivious??

Yes. However:

Every time a pre-release OS pirate loses data, an angel gets his wings.

Busemann · Jul 1, 2004, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Someone open DVD Player and push the "Help" key. Does a question mark cursor show up? If so, open a known carbon app push the "Help" key, does a question mark cursor show up? If not, open a known Cocoa app and push the "Help" key, if a quesiton mark cursor shows up, I'm happy,

Doing this on QuickTime brings up the question mark cursor (finally!)

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 05:09 PM

There's a new desktop picture included, similar to "Faux Fur" from Jaguar:

(Click for big image.)

MartiNZ · Jul 1, 2004, 05:48 PM

Looks nice! Is that the only new one at the moment? Presumably there will be yet another variation on the 'Aqua' desktop coming.

Another thing - on the subject of cursors: has the resize drag cursor been standardised? To make that more understandable: resize the source pane in iTunes and you get a hand cursor; resize the sidebar in a Finder window and you get a nice resize cursor with white outlines; resize the panes in Address Book or iCal and you get a similar resize cursor, but it looks really nasty without the white outlines.

Also, have they fixed up the 'Preview' icon yet, so the boy doesn't look possessed?

robotmarkVIII · Jul 1, 2004, 06:19 PM

About CPU usage of Dashboard when it's hidden; if you run something like the sharktank does the movie continue to play & take up CPU time when Dashboard is hidden? Also, does dashboard run as a seperate process?

Ricky · Jul 1, 2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by zachs:
There's a new desktop picture included, similar to "Faux Fur" from Jaguar:

(Click for big image.)

Care to post just the desktop picture. . .?

Thanks

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Ricky:
Care to post just the desktop picture. . .?

Thanks

Sure thing:

http://www.lightscreamer.com/images/Tiger.jpg.zip

Ricky · Jul 1, 2004, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by zachs:
Sure thing:

http://www.lightscreamer.com/images/Tiger.jpg.zip

Awesome, thanks again.

Musti · Jul 1, 2004, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Developer.

Preview.

Really? Wow.

I realized one of my memory chips was misplaced, and the sytem was running on 256 MB only.

Now all's kosher.

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by robotmarkVIII:
About CPU usage of Dashboard when it's hidden; if you run something like the sharktank does the movie continue to play & take up CPU time when Dashboard is hidden? Also, does dashboard run as a seperate process?

I'm not sure about the CPU usage question. What's the sharktank?

The Dashboard client runs as one process, then each gadget runs as its own separate process.

unimaxium · Jul 1, 2004, 08:50 PM

There was a gadget/widget that Steve Jobs demoed at WWDC (it can also be found in the dashboard video on apple's site). The current seed of Tiger is actually a bit older than the one Jobs was demoing at WWDC, so it doesn't have that widget yet. The stock ticker widget is also missing from the current build.

Lordx_ · Jul 1, 2004, 08:57 PM

If this was answered, forgive me...

Can the SearchLight menu be activated by a keystroke?

Catfish_Man · Jul 1, 2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Lordx_:
If this was answered, forgive me...

Can the SearchLight menu be activated by a keystroke?

F5

SafariX · Jul 1, 2004, 09:10 PM

Note: Not asking for support...but has anyone successfully installed el tigre on a DVI Ti?

Moose · 08:40 AM

Gorgonzola edits my post to say: I was foolish and asked a really, really silly question.

I now edit my post to say: I was apparently too coy when I made a joke.

Those of you wishing to read my original post, it's quoted in the post below.

j0nkatz · Jul 1, 2004, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Note: Not asking for support...but can anyone give me the steps for installing my pirated pre-release OS on a PowerBook? The install DVD I burned appears to panic on boot!

I would file a bug on this, but, as I said, I pirated it, so I do not file bugs !!!

My copy works fine, your **** must be broke.

SafariX · Jul 1, 2004, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by j0nkatz:
My copy works fine, your **** must be broke.

Jon, thats not very productive. It all depends on the model of machine you install on. His "****" could be fine, and his machine is unsupported...much like my TiDVI.

Moose · Jul 1, 2004, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by SafariX:
and his machine is unsupported...much like my TiDVI.

Or you could be a retarded pirate.

a holck · Jul 1, 2004, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
QT Exports from QT player are still modal - but in a nice sheet off the window that's being encoded.

So does the export lock the exporting window only, or is it locking the whole Quicktime player app - Can you open a new quicktime movie while exporting?

zachs · Jul 1, 2004, 09:42 PM

Hey, I made a really crude widget that displays the number of songs sold in the iTMS. It refreshes every few seconds. Check it out:

Anyone want me to post it?

iDriveX · Jul 1, 2004, 10:28 PM

Can someone explain this .mac DNS thing that was briefly touched on?

Jim Paradise · Jul 2, 2004, 12:35 AM

What I want to know is there is an Aqua version of the Finder in 10.4 or are they still doing the same bizarre brushed metal/Aqua Finder depending if you close the toolbar at the top?

zachs · Jul 2, 2004, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
What I want to know is there is an Aqua version of the Finder in 10.4 or are they still doing the same bizarre brushed metal/Aqua Finder depending if you close the toolbar at the top?

It's the same hybrid Aqua/Metal as in 10.3...

MindFad · Jul 2, 2004, 01:19 AM

Indeed, same ol' brushed metal. I am hoping that they will fix the variant to become the same as the "Search" window, with that white interface. It looks really nice.

bmedina · Jul 2, 2004, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Moose:
Note: Not asking for support...but can anyone give me the steps for installing my pirated pre-release OS on a PowerBook? The install DVD I burned appears to panic on boot!

I would file a bug on this, but, as I said, I pirated it, so I do not file bugs !!!

Lol!

Those computers aren't supported.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 2, 2004, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by zachs:
Hey, I made a really crude widget that displays the number of songs sold in the iTMS. It refreshes every few seconds. Check it out:

Anyone want me to post it?

Sure, post it and I'll refine the graphics for you

entrox · Jul 2, 2004, 05:44 AM

Is the advanced firewall preference pane for real? I mean, "Block all UDP traffic" doesn't sound like something useful...

zachs · Jul 2, 2004, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Sure, post it and I'll refine the graphics for you

LOL, well I changed it a bit, but I still don't like it. Here it is.

addiecool · Jul 2, 2004, 11:54 AM

Ok I tried Tiger as a full working system: Here are my experiences

1. All iApps seem to work fine
2. M-Audio Revolution Drivers do not install.
3. Office 2004 works fine
4. Toast Titanium 6.0.5 works fine
5. My Laserjet 3030 All-in-one works fine with full functionality
6. Adobe CS Suite works fine
7. Transmit works fine
8. Safari is a bit shady. I am using Camino instead

I have yet to try out the following

1. Final Cut Pro
2. DVD Studio Pro
3. Logitech Drivers

Will keep an update going on

alex_wlu_82 · Jul 2, 2004, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Does he at least pay rent?

.. lol