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OreoCookie · Jul 3, 2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Maybe this better represents my feelings, perhaps your prototypical parents are better suited for iPads than a desktop OS like Lion?

I actually believe they are, but not yet. Writing texts (think Word) isn't there yet. And people often need bigger screens to work.

In any case, you should also think about the people using Windows. Mac users take things like Time Machine for granted, but Windows users don't have that luxury yet. Perhaps they will have with Windows 8, but nothing has been announced and they'd have to wait to 2012 at least.

We Mac users are living in a shiny Aqua Bubble

besson3c · Jul 3, 2011, 04:53 PM

How easy is it to setup that shadow copy thing in Windows?

Cold Warrior · Jul 3, 2011, 04:54 PM

In Windows 7, it's very simple, and you can have incremental and clones scheduled.

OreoCookie · Jul 3, 2011, 05:26 PM

I thought Shadow Copies were more like versions rather than backups where you could make a snapshot and restore. And that the UI (via some contextual menu, I believe) is/was kind of cumbersome.

(I haven't really worked with Windows since Windows 2000.)

Cold Warrior · Jul 3, 2011, 05:59 PM

shadow copy was traditionally volume-based, but beginning in Vista it can do files too. So it should be versioning-like with files but can also create VHDs for volumes.

besson only asked about the ease of setup. Retrieving anything in Windows, that's a different matter.

freudling · Jul 5, 2011, 02:47 AM

Got the Golden Master running tonight. So far so good. Safari was really buggy before hope that's fixed.

I love the install from disk image. No more fiddling with Disk Utility and USB thumb drives...

CharlesS · Jul 5, 2011, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by freudling

I love the install from disk image. No more fiddling with Disk Utility and USB thumb drives...

Well, it will certainly cut down on Apple's materials costs. I'm not so crazy about not having a bootable install disc anymore to use if the hard drive gets replaced or if its partition map gets hosed, though. Sure, you can make one easily enough by imaging the disk image included inside the installer application to a USB stick or to a DVD, but it's going to cause major hassles when supporting end users who haven't had the foresight to do that.

freudling · Jul 5, 2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Well, it will certainly cut down on Apple's materials costs. I'm not so crazy about not having a bootable install disc anymore to use if the hard drive gets replaced or if its partition map gets hosed, though. Sure, you can make one easily enough by imaging the disk image included inside the installer application to a USB stick or to a DVD, but it's going to cause major hassles when supporting end users who haven't had the foresight to do that.

Holy... haven't seen you around MacNN for a while. Anyway, times, they are a changin'.

solofx7 · Jul 7, 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

Got the Golden Master running tonight. So far so good. Safari was really buggy before hope that's fixed.

I love the install from disk image. No more fiddling with Disk Utility and USB thumb drives...

yeah, I thought they would have had that slight hiccup with Safari fixed by the GM.
Its weird, but everything else seems great so far.
As a person that juggles many things, the one feature that is most useful that I did not think would be is mission control.
I juggle open apps that serve specific purposes, school - work so on and so forth, mission control just makes it so easy to gather them into an area or see whats going on.
I know that it just builds on desktops and other features, but it is very useful for me.

freudling · Jul 9, 2011, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

yeah, I thought they would have had that slight hiccup with Safari fixed by the GM.
Its weird, but everything else seems great so far.
As a person that juggles many things, the one feature that is most useful that I did not think would be is mission control.
I juggle open apps that serve specific purposes, school - work so on and so forth, mission control just makes it so easy to gather them into an area or see whats going on.
I know that it just builds on desktops and other features, but it is very useful for me.

Yup, slowly getting into Mission Control.

freudling · Jul 9, 2011, 02:02 PM

Gizmodo... surprise surprise, lambasts OS X Lion, calls it a failure:

Mac OS X Lion: This Is Not the Future We Were Hoping For

Spheric Harlot · Jul 9, 2011, 02:11 PM

Linkbait.

**** Gizmodo.

Waiting for Ars' Siracusa report.

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 02:38 PM

What do you disagree with in the Gizmodo article? I read it and didn't buy some of their arguments and overall take, but that amalgamating the iOS and OS X interfaces might have negative reprecussions is a fair point.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 9, 2011, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

What do you disagree with in the Gizmodo article? I read it and didn't buy some of their arguments and overall take, but that amalgamating the iOS and OS X interfaces might have negative reprecussions is a fair point.

I no longer read Gizmodo articles, but the title should suffice.

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I no longer read Gizmodo articles, but the title should suffice.

I don't really care about the integrity of Gizmodo, I don't have an opinion either way, but what about the actual points?

OreoCookie · Jul 9, 2011, 03:46 PM

I didn't find the gizmodo article particularly enlightening. Seems the author dislikes the direction some people claim seems to be taking, the notion that they're `getting rid of the file system, the Finder is going away!' This is not happening with 10.7 anyway.

I'm really looking forward to the Siracusa article, though.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 9, 2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I don't really care about the integrity of Gizmodo, I don't have an opinion either way, but what about the actual points?

I *do* care about Gizmodo's integrity, and have read enough to know that they care little enough about it to write fabricated and or imagined sensationalist bullcrap with no interest in salient points or actual analysis. Oreo's brief synopsis seems to bear this out.

--> Linkbait.

I'm waiting on Siracusa for a fair dissection of the Lion.

cgc · Jul 9, 2011, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

Holy... haven't seen you around MacNN for a while. Anyway, times, they are a changin'.

He must've escaped from my car trunk...stupid imports...

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I *do* care about Gizmodo's integrity, and have read enough to know that they care little enough about it to write fabricated and or imagined sensationalist bullcrap with no interest in salient points or actual analysis. Oreo's brief synopsis seems to bear this out.

--> Linkbait.

I'm waiting on Siracusa for a fair dissection of the Lion.

Okay, I'll bite... What set you off making you so vehement in your distaste for the site, knowing nothing about its history or persona?

Spheric Harlot · Jul 9, 2011, 04:18 PM

Did you spend all of spring last year under a DNS server, or does "internet tech tabloid pays $10.000 for stolen iPhone prototype and tries to extort public acknowledgement from owner" ring a bell?

The guys are scum, and their "tech journalism" is as solid as a Fox News infotainment show.

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Did you spend all of spring last year under a DNS server, or does "internet tech tabloid pays $10.000 for stolen iPhone prototype and tries to extort public acknowledgement from owner" ring a bell?

The guys are scum, and their "tech journalism" is as solid as a Fox News infotainment show.

Oh yeah, I remember that vaguely... Why on Earth would you feel so strongly about that? Who gives a shit? Yes, it was scummy, but boycott inspiring? Sounds like too much work!

freudling · Jul 9, 2011, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Did you spend all of spring last year under a DNS server, or does "internet tech tabloid pays $10.000 for stolen iPhone prototype and tries to extort public acknowledgement from owner" ring a bell?

The guys are scum, and their "tech journalism" is as solid as a Fox News infotainment show.

Anyone who doesn't know that Gizmodo are a bunch of little nerds with zero integrity has indeed not been living on planet Earth. Does that mean I'll stop reading articles that crop up on Google bearing Gizmodo's ugly face? Nope. I'm objective and need to be kept updated. 95% of their stuff is trash, and a few articles help keep me informed.

I thought I'd throw that article in the mix to get a discussion going in regards to those who are critical of Lion.

Personally, I like Lion, and I'm getting used to its features. I think the author of the article doesn't really make much sense. OS X runs deep... and the Finder is still standing...

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 04:33 PM

I would be orgasmic about Lion if it was built on ZFS. There are some cool features in it, I'll upgrade to it, the price is perfect...

Spheric Harlot · Jul 9, 2011, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Oh yeah, I remember that vaguely... Why on Earth would you feel so strongly about that? Who gives a shit? Yes, it was scummy, but boycott inspiring? Sounds like too much work!

I find it less effort to just NOT read stuff that's likely to be inflammatory bullshit that would need wading through for the odd morsel.

Idiocy gets my gall, and scum makes me angry, especially if I inadvertently support it.

I avoid the political lounge here for the same reason.

besson3c · Jul 9, 2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I find it less effort to just NOT read stuff that's likely to be inflammatory bullshit that would need wading through for the odd morsel.

Idiocy gets my gall, and scum makes me angry, especially if I inadvertently support it.

I avoid the political lounge here for the same reason.

I see... Makes sense.

Art Vandelay · Jul 9, 2011, 06:59 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing an in-depth analysis of CoreStorage. That's a pretty big change that I've heard virtually no mention of yet.

Koralatov · Aug 22, 2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Koralatov

It sends a multipart email, consisting of a plaintext, HTML, and image part: […]

It’s definitely a bug, since I’ve set Mail to send only plaintext, and it used to work correctly.

Originally Posted by besson3c

If it is ignoring your pref it sounds like a bug to me too, but normally sending multipart emails is not a bad thing. It may not be necessary anymore though since I bet all major email apps support HTML, but I guess supporting provides utility for those that want it, or for viewing badly rendered/botched HTML email.

I can also identify with those that hate HTML email

Originally Posted by Oisín

It sent a multi-part e-mail previously as well—it just only had two multi-part streams: a plain text one, and an image one. There shouldn’t really be a need to add a pleonastic HTML stream to it just because an image was added.

This bug still exists in 10.7.1. I’m beginning to fear that they’ll never fix it.