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How many Commandments has Trump broken?
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Jan 17, 2020, 04:34 PM
 
Considering how many Christian evangelicals support Trump, it occurred to me to tally up his score on the big sins.

note: there is disagreement on the Ten Commandments, both in numbering and the exact list. I'm using the "Reformed Christians" list, as that seems closest to Trump's evangelicals.

1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- - The almighty dollar, or himself - probably violated.
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- - He doesn't carve, or order up statues to my knowledge? - probably ok.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
- - cussing, twitter, meetings with Pelosi - violated.
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
- - generally avoids church, works weekends - violated.
5) Honour thy father and thy mother
- - no obvious data - probably ok.
6) Thou shalt not murder
- - Iranian general - violated.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery
- - 3 wives, assorted escorts - violated.
8) Thou shalt not steal
- - business history, contractors shorted, bankruptcies - violated.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
- - endless lies, against everyone - violated.
10) Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's house, wife, slaves, animals, anything else)
- - assorted houses, wives, and anything else - violated.

So my total score is approx 8/10 violations. High violation count for #s 3,7,8,9,10.

Anyone have a different score, or insight on the ones I wasn't sure of?
     
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Jan 17, 2020, 04:52 PM
 
I would say the paintings of himself he's had orders, while not graven, would count. He might have a statue of himself that he worships as a god. I wouldn't be surprised.

We could also count the gold toilet? It's no golden calf, but times being what they are...
     
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Jan 17, 2020, 05:02 PM
 
I thought the golden toilet was Winston Churchill's, and had been stolen.
     
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Jan 17, 2020, 10:10 PM
 
Ironically, I’d say when it comes to politics, evangelicals don’t have an issue with “the ends justify the means”.
     
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Jan 17, 2020, 10:38 PM
 
You forgot to include the 11th Commandment: Don't get caught. (Also violated.)
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Jan 18, 2020, 09:39 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I would say the paintings of himself he's had orders, while not graven, would count.
Didn't he also buy at least one self portrait with money he stole from a charity? Or rather he stole the credit for the money that other people donated to his charity, bought portraits, then stole the portraits from the charity to hang in his properties. Something like that.

At any rate, there's no way in hell the biggest narcissist in history hasn't commissioned plenty of graven images of himself.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Jun 3, 2020, 01:53 PM
 
I felt this "How Many Commandments..." thread was an appropriate place to post the latest White House publicity photo, following the disaster of his bible-holding photo-op. Somehow, I don't think this one is going to fare much better. The memes just write themselves.

Don't look in their eyes if you value your immortal soul.

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Jun 3, 2020, 02:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Ironically, I’d say when it comes to politics, evangelicals don’t have an issue with “the ends justify the means”.
I don't think that's ironic, I think that's by design. Evangelicals, especially ones that lean fundamentalist/literalist, love authoritarianism. They've been trained to reason in circles around any action of an authoritative ruler that could be considered immoral - the OT is rife with murder, rape, and genocide. But it's being done as a means to an end, so we're okay with it. If you move to the NT, then you get to pick out John 2:13-16, when Jesus made a whip and drove everyone out of the temple (one of Chongo's favorite references). Add in Romans 13:1:

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Obviously they have no problem ignoring this when a Democrat is president, but it's a very useful tool for overlooking horrendous faults of Republican presidents.
     
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Jun 3, 2020, 07:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Don't look in their eyes if you value your immortal soul.
Her eyes seem normal. With the big sunglasses last time, I was wondering if there was a shiner. So maybe she just likes sunglasses.
     
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Aug 18, 2020, 02:55 AM
 
Trump is rumored to have asked about adding his head to Mt. Rushmore. It just occurred to me - this would count against the 2nd Commandment (no graven images). If true, it's an intent to break the 2nd. Does intent count? I'm picturing him at the heavenly gates, answering the question. "I tried to break that one, but was unsuccessful."

If the Mt. Rushmore thing counts, then Trump is up to 9/10 commandments violated. It also counts if "graven images" include paintings, not just literal carvings. He's known to have portraits of himself.

Trump still seems safe on #5 "Honour thy father and thy mother". I've yet to hear any violation there. But otherwise 9/10 violated. With a high violation count on #s 3,4,7,8,9,10.
     
   
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