[Newfie]

I just wanted to get your opinions on something Apple is currently doing.

Apple's latest Mac OS X sales pitch (for 'Panther') includes a couple of mentioned programs and features including "Fast User Switching" which uses a 3D metaphor to switch users.

Ironically these features in Mac OS X were developed by Racially Segregated employees who presented the ideas to Apple Managers just to have them shot down and later be Fired or Terminated for not having White skin color or talking with an accent. Some were even fired after being threatened by other (White) employees becase of Sept. 11.

Other projects were "Closed" after the projects were completed, just to be reopend again by Apple, in order to "legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities. Apple even uses an existing few minority employees who are given token (and temporary) promotions as "managers" to do this kind of dirty work.

The victims were stripped of their stock options, (literally) told to go back to their Home Countries and some were thrown out in the streets on the same day.

So my question for everyone is: Can Apple be blamed for Stealing the ideas and talents of these victims if it rejected their work while they were working just to use it after the were wrongfully terminated?

[Zimphire]

Uh where is the proof this is happening?

[Mastrap]

Sounds like total nonsense to me.

[StrongGlad]

Originally posted by Newfie:
I just wanted to get your opinions on something Apple is currently doing.

Apple's latest Mac OS X sales pitch (for 'Panther') includes a couple of mentioned programs and features including "Fast User Switching" which uses a 3D metaphor to switch users.

Ironically these features in Mac OS X were developed by Racially Segregated employees who presented the ideas to Apple Managers just to have them shot down and later be Fired or Terminated for not having White skin color or talking with an accent. Some were even fired after being threatened by other (White) employees becase of Sept. 11.

Other projects were "Closed" after the projects were completed, just to be reopend again by Apple, in order to "legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities. Apple even uses an existing few minority employees who are given token (and temporary) promotions as "managers" to do this kind of dirty work.

The victims were stripped of their stock options, (literally) told to go back to their Home Countries and some were thrown out in the streets on the same day.

So my question for everyone is: Can Apple be blamed for Stealing the ideas and talents of these victims if it rejected their work while they were working just to use it after the were wrongfully terminated?

Ahhhhh, Ahhhhhhh, Bullshit!!!!!!

[Newfie]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Uh where is the proof this is happening?

Complaints have been filed with Apple's Human resources department, but they simply tried to cover it up. (And they have hired a large staff for doing so)

It will be a matter of public record in a few days probably so it doesn't matter what Apple tries to do about it.

[Mastrap]

Its not a very clever idea to post accusations like the above in a public forum without having 100% proof available to back you up.

I still call BS on your post.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Newfie:
Complaints have been filed with Apple's Human resources department, but they simply tried to cover it up. (And they have hired a large staff for doing so)

It will be a matter of public record in a few days probably so it doesn't matter what Apple tries to do about it.

Sounds like one person got pissed for being fired for incompetence and is now playing the race card to "get back"

These things usually cause no ripples, and are quickly ignored.

[Ganesha]

Steve Jobs admitted the stole Fast User Switching from Microsoft.

Pre Sept 11, is early 10.1, 10.0 days... Come on, Apple had better things to do with OS X then make a rotating Fast User Transition. If I was a manager I would of shot it down too. Good idea, but lets work on optimizing OS X first.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Newfie:
Fired or Terminated for not having White skin color or talking with an accent

[Misanthrope]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

That image looks awfully familiar. Without sounding pissed, didn't you snag that from me an account or two ago?

Anyway, I wouldn't put the aformentioned antics beyond Jobs' reign at Apple. If what the guy says is true, it'll be confirmed in a few days. And if not, then we all just band together and laugh at him.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Misanthrope:
That image looks awfully familiar. Without sounding pissed, didn't you snag that from me an account or two ago?

Nope, googled for it.

http://www.mendelova.cz/pages/multi/foto/Steve.jpg

[Misanthrope]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Nope, googled for it.

Huh... :shrug:

[dtriska]

Originally posted by Newfie:
�"legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities�

Um....okay...

[CharlesS]

You'd better have some evidence for that claim.

[Zimphire]

Yeah there better be evidence. Or else Apple COULD sue you for libel.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

The worst thing is that their account name is Newfie.

What a way to disgrace the fine Newfie name.



greg

[willed]

Originally posted by Newfie:


It will be a matter of public record in a few days probably so it doesn't matter what Apple tries to do about it.

Yeah, well I hope you don't take offence if I wait until then before I believe you.

[Diggory Laycock]

Ah - flamebait.

This calls for an unnecessary picture of Trogdor the Burninator.

"Arrrgg! Burninating the Countryside - Burninating the peasants"

[Xeo]

I can only assume this is satire. No names, no figures, no proof. Simply an accusation but without telling a story of any kind. It's gotta be satire.

[Mastrap]

Must be. Or, considering the language, a Nigerian scam gone desperately wrong somewhere.

'Hello and greetings. I am Newfie, the widow of the late and right honourable N'Gwada O'Brian, lead software engineer at Apple computers.

Before succumbing to a particularly virulent form of writer's block my late husband was paid 11 million dollars by Steve Jobs for developing a couple of mentioned programs and features including "Fast User Switching" which uses a 3D metaphor to switch users.

His sudden death from mouse attack left us, his spouse and children, pennyless in an a penthouse in Beverly Hills. We were stripped of our stock options, (literally) told to go back to our Home Countries and some were thrown out in the streets on the same day.

We now have searched the internet for man of integrity and honourable. We want to deposit the sum above in your bank account to escape from evilness of Mr: Jobs and cronies.

Please send PM if you are willing to help this poor widow and helpless stripped of stock options daughters.'

[Spheric Harlot]

Mastrap wins the prize for...something.

FWIW, I *do* seem to remember there having been allegations of black employees having been fired at Apple a year or two back, and trying to turn it into a discrimination issue. Was up for a day or two, and I never heard anything after that.

Edit: Found a link on the lawsuit(Oct./Nov. 2001):
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48154,00.html
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2001/11/05/lawsuit/
And an editorial:
http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2001/11/08.1.shtml

-s*

[voyageur]

And I heard that Steve Jobs is really the father of Bill Gates' child.
DNA proof is coming...

[starman]

Actually, I heard of this. What happened was that these employees tried to fly planes into Apple Headquarters in Cupertino, but THEY were shot down, not their ideas. The employees are dead, but their notebooks show what they were working on.

Oh, and since nobody's here to do it...



Mike

[MacGorilla]

Ummm.....yepper....

[iWrite]

Why post baseless accusations?

Are you that much in need of post counts?

Seriously, if someone makes an allegation like that -- which may or may not be true -- you should have the chutzpah to back up your claim(s).

I'm with Mastrap and Zimph...

I don't believe it until you provide pr@@f.

[Lerkfish]

For a totally different angle on this situation:
if an employee develops ANY idea or concept while on company time for a company project, that is the company's intellectual property, not the employee's, unless prior arrangements have been made.

Even though at times this sucks, legally it makes sense. The employer has contracted the employee to develop a product and has purchased the product by paying him/her a salary. Even if that employee is later fired or leaves, the work done on that idea still belongs to the employer.

[Millennium]

Racial discriminstion is a very serious crime. You'd better have some evidence that Apple has, in fact, been doing this.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by iWrite:
Why post baseless accusations?

Are you that much in need of post counts?

Seriously, if someone makes an allegation like that -- which may or may not be true -- you should have the chutzpah to back up your claim(s).

I'm with Mastrap and Zimph...

I don't believe it until you provide pr@@f.

Well, there *IS* evidence of lawsuit regarding the sacking of a Black employee. I was unable to find any info whatsoever on the outcome of that, though.

Maybe someone with a better background in searching out legal info could find out whatever happened to that one, first.

-s*

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Well, there *IS* evidence of lawsuit regarding the sacking of a Black employee. I was unable to find any info whatsoever on the outcome of that, though.

Maybe someone with a better background in searching out legal info could find out whatever happened to that one, first.

-s*

but as I pointed out (above), I don't think it matters. The two are separate issues....one is intellectual property, and the other is a discrimination suit. Even IF apple were proven discriminitory, that would not prevent them from using anything produced by the employees in question, if they produced it on company time.

Therefore, the accusation of "stealing" in this thread is (apparently) the baseless one.

[starman]

Is anyone taking this seriously? The guy has a post count of 2.

Mike

[memento]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
For a totally different angle on this situation:
if an employee develops ANY idea or concept while on company time for a company project, that is the company's intellectual property, not the employee's, unless prior arrangements have been made.

Even though at times this sucks, legally it makes sense. The employer has contracted the employee to develop a product and has purchased the product by paying him/her a salary. Even if that employee is later fired or leaves, the work done on that idea still belongs to the employer.

thank you. score 1 for Lerkfish!

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
but as I pointed out (above), I don't think it matters. The two are separate issues....one is intellectual property, and the other is a discrimination suit. Even IF apple were proven discriminitory, that would not prevent them from using anything produced by the employees in question, if they produced it on company time.

Therefore, the accusation of "stealing" in this thread is (apparently) the baseless one.

That is certainly true.

Nevertheless, I am interested in whatever became of that racial discrimination suit I linked to above?

-s*

[Beewee]

Originally posted by Newfie:
I just wanted to get your opinions on something Apple is currently doing.

Apple's latest Mac OS X sales pitch (for 'Panther') includes a couple of mentioned programs and features including "Fast User Switching" which uses a 3D metaphor to switch users.

Ironically these features in Mac OS X were developed by Racially Segregated employees who presented the ideas to Apple Managers just to have them shot down and later be Fired or Terminated for not having White skin color or talking with an accent. Some were even fired after being threatened by other (White) employees becase of Sept. 11.

Other projects were "Closed" after the projects were completed, just to be reopend again by Apple, in order to "legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities. Apple even uses an existing few minority employees who are given token (and temporary) promotions as "managers" to do this kind of dirty work.

The victims were stripped of their stock options, (literally) told to go back to their Home Countries and some were thrown out in the streets on the same day.

So my question for everyone is: Can Apple be blamed for Stealing the ideas and talents of these victims if it rejected their work while they were working just to use it after the were wrongfully terminated?

This is old news I heard a the whole "racist" story soon after Sept. 11th didn't put much stock in it then and certainly don't now.

..."legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities.

So Apple is apparently just an extension of the Nazi party?

Did some one get fired from Apple and decide to post a topic on an internet forum? Thats what happens when you share Panther over the internet.

[wdlove]

I don't blame Apple. When you work for a company, what you develope on company time belongs to them!

[DeathToWindows]

I think we've found a use for Apple Legal... can I smell a libel suit?

[ReggieX]

He mentioned September 11, so it must be true.

[ironknee]

remember when woz had to go to hp and tell them about the apple computer because it was developed during his employment there?

the race card...again

[ThinkInsane]

Originally posted by Newfie:

in order to "legalize" their Ethnic Cleansing activities.

What, Apple is committing genocide? Oh the horror!! I knew letting Pol Pot on the Board of Directors was a mistake. Well, hindsight is 20/20...

[sideus]

I think the dude had a hidden agenda with this thread. It was to see how much of a ruckus he could stir up.

[daimoni]

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[Uday's Carcass]

someone lock this idiotic thread and ban that mongrel.

[fireside]

i love this country. fire a black person for a legit reason and suddenly its racial discrimination.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Nevertheless, I am interested in whatever became of that racial discrimination suit I linked to above?

repeated for emphasis.

-s*

[ThinkInsane]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
repeated for emphasis.

-s*

From what I could find, the case involved one employee, who claims that his cubicle was moved away from other employees, and he was fired for bringing a friend on the Apple campus without permission. He's suing for $40 million. The suit was filed in 2001, and I can't find any reference to a verdict or a settlement, so it must still be in the court systems. I don't think that particular racial discrimination suit fits the bill of 'ethnic cleansing'.

[gadster]

Originally posted by Newfie:
<snip> Racially Segregated employees ... Fired or Terminated for not having White skin color or talking with an accent. <snip> etc

If that is true, it sucks. And, yes, if true Apple can be blamed. It would surprise me if it were true, though.I guess the courts will Sort This One Out.

[talisker]

Originally posted by ThinkInsane:
From what I could find, the case involved one employee, who claims that his cubicle was moved away from other employees, and he was fired for bringing a friend on the Apple campus without permission. He's suing for $40 million. The suit was filed in 2001, and I can't find any reference to a verdict or a settlement, so it must still be in the court systems. I don't think that particular racial discrimination suit fits the bill of 'ethnic cleansing'.

$40 million! $40 MILLION! Bloody hell. I always thought the idea of lawsuits like this was for someone who has been wrongfully dismissed to be able to be compensated for lost earnings, stress etc caused by the dismissal. So maybe $100k or something like that. But $40 MILLION!!! The amount of compensation should be enough to "cancel out" the wrong, so that looking back on it the ex-employee should feel that he was hard done by, but now with the compensation everything's pretty much even, as if nothing had happened. With $40 million you'd be damn delighted that Apple had discriminated against you, and that can't be right.

Obviously there's a large element of punitive damages built in here, but if the intention is really to punish the employer, why does the resulting cash have to go to the ex-employee? Why not give the employee a reasonable amount to compensate them (say $100k) and the rest goes to the state, or to charity or something. Yes, yes, I know that this is civil not criminal law and all that and it's not going to happen, but it's pretty f*cked up really.

[talisker]

Originally posted by gadster:
If that is true, it sucks. And, yes, if true Apple can be blamed. It would surprise me if it were true, though.I guess the courts will Sort This One Out.

The question would have to be "What has changed at Apple that meant they were trying to get rid of these employees based on skin colour, when they happily employed them in the first place?" Let's face it, if you a racially biased employer, I would imagine it's a hell of a lot easier to find excuses not to employ non-white people, than it is to get rid of them later.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by talisker:
Why not give the employee a reasonable amount to compensate them (say $100k) and the rest goes to the state, or to charity or something.

But that's what already happens!

...you just have to substitute "lawyer" for "charity".

-s*

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by ThinkInsane:
From what I could find [...] it must still be in the court systems. I don't think that particular racial discrimination suit fits the bill of 'ethnic cleansing'.

Thank you for looking it up!



-s*

[mitchell_pgh]

We have people with disabilities at work. Basically you can't fire them.

This one lady actually QUOTES the ADA (american disabilities act) standards.

Something you will never hear:
We can't fire him, he's a white young to middle aged male.