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stevesnj · Aug 23, 2008, 12:56 AM

Not unexpected. AP scooped Obamas text plans. lol 1am this morning

Randman · Aug 23, 2008, 02:10 AM

You misspelt Obama in the headline and your post is atrocious when it comes to spelling and grammar. Did you really have to rush so quickly to post this without taking a second to compose it properly?

That said, meh. Obama took the safe and boring route.

D. S. Troyer · 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Randman

You misspelt Obama in the headline and your post is atrocious when it comes to spelling and grammar. Did you really have to rush so quickly to post this without taking a second to compose it properly?

If true good choice.

subego · Aug 23, 2008, 03:06 AM

He's articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.

Randman · Aug 23, 2008, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer

STFU

on topic...
If true good choice.

Who are you?

Edit: Nobody. Go back to your hole, and tell your mom I said hi.

plx · Aug 23, 2008, 05:18 AM

For someone outside the US, it's funny how Obama/Biden may sound like Osama Bin Laden...

Maybe a good ticket, but strange if it's mispronounced...

Maflynn · Aug 23, 2008, 07:11 AM

He could have done worse. I'm not an Obama fan but I can see that it was a good choice.

zerostar · Aug 23, 2008, 07:57 AM

Thoughts I wrote someone this morning....

Actually Biden was in my top 3... I know Biden can be a real master of debating and attacking and has a great record and balls to boot.

I also know he has made some major gaffes (the media's new favorite word) so I expect those to be replayed over and over this week coming... Some of them sound horrid out of context.

Hi Iris-Catholic background, work on both the judiciary committee and foreign relations committee and working-class background should net a decent jump for Obama this week as well.

I just hope they can help Joe get his thoughts out without sounding like he has in the past. If they can (big if) he should be a smash-hit for Obama's campaign.

stevesnj · Aug 23, 2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Randman

You misspelt Obama in the headline and your post is atrocious when it comes to spelling and grammar. Did you really have to rush so quickly to post this without taking a second to compose it properly?

That said, meh. Obama took the safe and boring route.

Your and AS**hole

ebuddy · Aug 23, 2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Your and AS**hole

Your progressive movement ladies and gentlemen.

Biden is a good pick. I'm still left wondering why Wesley Clark wasn't part of the short list? Did I miss something?

design219 · Aug 23, 2008, 08:28 AM

I also thought Clark would be a choice.

SpaceMonkey · Aug 23, 2008, 08:48 AM

I really don't understand the choice. McCain will be running this ad constantly until November: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

Dork. · Aug 23, 2008, 08:54 AM

Biden is a great pick, not just for the job but also for the humor value. Very few politicians put their foot in their mouth as artfully as Joe Biden. The Presidential race just got a lot more entertaining.

Originally Posted by subego

He's articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.

ebuddy · Aug 23, 2008, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I really don't understand the choice. McCain will be running this ad constantly until November: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

Friggin' OUCH!

Dork. · Aug 23, 2008, 09:17 AM

Yeah, Biden is going to have to explain why Obama has all of a sudden become qualified for President.
It might have something to do with Obama's VP choice, though.

zerostar · Aug 23, 2008, 09:35 AM

Lets not pretend, it's no worse than what any other candidate said about McCain.

Helmling · Aug 23, 2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Your progressive movement ladies and gentlemen.

Biden is a good pick. I'm still left wondering why Wesley Clark wasn't part of the short list? Did I miss something?

I think you missed steven's joke.

Helmling · Aug 23, 2008, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dork.

Yeah, Biden is going to have to explain why Obama has all of a sudden become qualified for President.
It might have something to do with Obama's VP choice, though.

He said, "I think he can be." I don't see the problem.

He also said, "I'd be honored to run with or against John McCain." Again, no problem there.

For my two cents, I agree with Randman. It's a very blah choice.

But then, the VP's only matter if the P dies, which mean, and I'm sorry to say it, McCain's pick is likely to be much more important.

ebuddy · Aug 23, 2008, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by zerostar

Lets not pretend, it's no worse than what any other candidate said about McCain.

Let's see if he chooses his running mate from among them.

ebuddy · 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Helmling

I think you missed steven's joke.

Originally Posted by stevesnj

polititions with the presidency on their agenda.

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Sorry but we cant save every Democratic nation in need

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I feel Georgia maybe a pawn that the US has to let go

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Thats pretty sad

Your right, I likely missed it.

tie · Aug 23, 2008, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by subego

He's articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.

For a white guy from Delaware.

pcryan5 · Aug 23, 2008, 01:59 PM

Excellent choice!

By whatever means necessary you folks need non republican gov't for a few years. If just for health care.

mduell · Aug 23, 2008, 02:21 PM

Ahh, extensive foreign policy experience... like voting for the current war in Iraq.

ebuddy · Aug 23, 2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by pcryan5

Excellent choice!

By whatever means necessary you folks need non republican gov't for a few years. If just for health care.

Where would Canadians go for healthcare then?

pcryan5 · Aug 23, 2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

Ahh, extensive foreign policy experience... like voting for the current war in Iraq.

Yeah well pretty much everyone did and IMHO it's time to get past pot smoking, Vietnam and who voted for the Iraq war. Getting endlessly hung up on these ghosts of congress past is inevitably a race to the bottom.

ebuddy · Aug 23, 2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by pcryan5

Yeah well pretty much everyone did and IMHO it's time to get past pot smoking, Vietnam and who voted for the Iraq war. Getting endlessly hung up on these ghosts of congress past is inevitably a race to the bottom.

While I'm inclined to agree with you, I look forward to you railing on "Bush lied about WMDs to go to war" and "Mission Accomplished".

A culture of shallow talking points has developed here and I think these kinds of statements are intended to flame-bait the usuals more than really being at the forefront of one's mind. It is good to see a fresh perspective though. Overall, a

to you sir.

Paco500 · Aug 23, 2008, 05:00 PM

I got to spend a few hours with Biden when I was in college and really enjoyed what he had to say. I've been following him ever since and think he's a pretty genuine guy.

I like him. Well done.

TheWOAT · Aug 23, 2008, 05:21 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

(CNN) — Evan as Hillary Clinton praised the newly-minted Democratic presidential ticket Saturday, some in her circle are furious Barack Obama did not appear to give the New York Democrat serious consideration for the No. 2 spot, or even ask for her consultation on the matter.

Aside from the typo... LOL!!! Give it up already HRC fans, its over (or as CNN would say, 'ovar').

Dork. · Aug 23, 2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Helmling

But then, the VP's only matter if the P dies, which mean, and I'm sorry to say it, McCain's pick is likely to be much more important.

Maybe not. There are plenty of wackos out there with guns....

No, I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything rash. Please don't send the Secret Service after me!

stupendousman · Aug 24, 2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I really don't understand the choice. McCain will be running this ad constantly until November: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

Ouch. That's pretty painful to watch.

Personally, I don't think Biden is a bad choice, but I don't think his positives will outweigh his negatives. I don't think it will help or hurt (besides the clips above) Obama any in the long-run. It was a "safe" choice, not likely to bolt him out of his polling malaise.

Shaddim · Aug 24, 2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Where would Canadians go for healthcare then?

Awesome.

pcryan5 · Aug 24, 2008, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Where would Canadians go for healthcare then?

Laughing.... fair enough!

Not to mention the impact such a move would have on the early bird blue plate luncheon specials from senior bus tours all along our US-Canadian border. Our diners would surely miss those hordes of prescription filling tourist and their 10 cent tips.

rambo47 · Aug 25, 2008, 11:53 PM

I recall hearing Biden on the Imus Radio Program about 2 years ago. He was a frequent guest and Imus loved him. Biden came on and was lambasting Israel for promising a policy of retaliation for terrorist attacks. "They have to turn the other cheek," he insisted. And he continued, "Since Israel has not retaliated for last week's attack there have been no more suicide bombings, and it's Thursday already!" Oops, there were actually 4 more since the one to which JB referred. One even that morning, reported about 1/2 an hour before Biden came on the program.

Some would say to give him a pass for not knowing about that morning's attack. But if I knew, how does a U.S. Senator not know?! And those other three? You'd think the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee would have a clue, especially before going on national radio and spouting off about it. Too much to ask? I guess so.

subego · Aug 26, 2008, 10:46 AM

What say everyone to the universal cries from the media that Hillary was the correct choice?

vmarks · Aug 26, 2008, 12:18 PM

Who is her running mate?

subego · Aug 26, 2008, 12:28 PM

I meant as running mate.

Though, if that was a joke, it was a good one.

zombie punk · Aug 26, 2008, 12:32 PM

The message in choosing Biden seems to be "don't worry, there won't be any real change'.

Kerrigan · Aug 27, 2008, 02:01 PM

I think the message is more of a conciliatory gesture aimed at the much-derided "working class whites" who will be able to identify more with the "scrappy" guy from Pa. I don't think it is having the intended effect, however. I like Biden, but the fact that his selection has resulted in no polling bounce, plus a somewhat negative reception by chattering classes, makes me think that his selection was unwise.

Obama should have bit the bullet and given Hillary the VP nod.
A) Nobody turns down an invitation to be VP
B) Hillary knows that if she ran as VP and lost, her future in the party is essentially over (as you Democrats, to your own detriment, seem to ditch failed candidates with stunning rapidity)
C) Considering the above two points, Hillary would have had a very strong incentive to bring all of her primary supporters into the fold, in order to gain that slight but crucial edge over McCain.

Obama was probably thinking that he could sail through the election without getting entangled in the Clinton ego-drama, but this has never been the case. The Clintons have always been a force with which to be reckoned, and by ignoring this fact and snubbing them, he may have cost himself the election.

subego · Aug 27, 2008, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

The Clintons have always been a force with which to be reckoned, and by ignoring this fact and snubbing them, he may have cost himself the election.

It would be a tad ironic if the Dems lost another election due to an ill advised Clinton snubbing.

TheWOAT · Aug 27, 2008, 02:24 PM

Last night at the convention, Hillary came off as somewhat sincere during her speech.. I didnt think it was possible.

subego · Aug 27, 2008, 02:24 PM

They rushed in some debug code.

Dork. · Aug 27, 2008, 02:42 PM

I was too busy watching the Mets fall apart again to see it live, but I read the transcript afterwards, like I do with most important political speeches.

I understand that she had a historic candidacy, but her speech seemed a bit too self-absorbed to me. Her emphasis wasn't on Obama's candidacy as much as it was her support of it. I'm not sure if I ever heard a speech that was supposed to be a call for unity include so many first-person pronouns.

olePigeon · Aug 27, 2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by pcryan5

Yeah well pretty much everyone did and IMHO it's time to get past pot smoking, Vietnam and who voted for the Iraq war. Getting endlessly hung up on these ghosts of congress past is inevitably a race to the bottom.

I'm going to offend a lot of people here, but you had to be a freakin' moron to vote for the war (or had a separate agenda) and not know what was going to happen. It was an extremely vocal minority that supported the war before 9/11 because it was a stupid idea, and it was unfortunate that the Bush Administration took advantage of the 9/11 attacks to fuel additional support that got it through.

It's only water under the bridge to people whom pretend they're smarter than they really are.

olePigeon · Aug 27, 2008, 03:31 PM

I was hoping for Wesley Clark as VP. I hate how his patriotism is questioned because he made a very legitimate statement: Being a P.O.W. does not make you a good president.

It became an instant media sh*t storm, everyone claiming it was an inappropriate thing to say. The guy is a freakin' General, who the hell is more qualified to make such a judgement?

Doofy · Aug 27, 2008, 03:45 PM

Since the Democrat hopes rest on their shoulders, it appears that Obama and Biden are laden with responsibility.

subego · Aug 27, 2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

I'm going to offend a lot of people here, but you had to be a freakin' moron to vote for the war (or had a separate agenda) and not know what was going to happen.

Are you saying that one should have been able to divine the half-dozen or so colossal strategic errors we made post-invasion, or that the outcome would have been the same had we not made those errors?

Dork. · Aug 27, 2008, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Since the Democrat hopes rest on their shoulders, it appears that Obama and Biden are laden with responsibility.

Obama-Biden, laden?

I see what you did there....

Ghoser777 · Aug 27, 2008, 11:07 PM

Finally some speeches with kick!

Randman · Aug 28, 2008, 01:03 AM

Nothing says change like picking someone who's been in the Senate for 35 years.

besson3c · Aug 28, 2008, 08:41 AM

Yeah, the VP choice seems to be based on a balance of variables:

1) If the election was yours, who would you like to have as your #2? Who do you work with well?
2) Who can help you win the election?
3) Who contrasts your strengths/weaknesses?
4) Who accentuates your overall theme?

As far as Hillary, I think variable 1 works against her favor, variable 2 is not even a given, and you get none of variable 4 with her, especially given the narrative that Obama often used against her as a competitor (e.g. old Washington tricks)