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CheesePuff · Jul 21, 2002, 05:27 PM

I bet 10.3 will be Couger.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Tominator · Jul 21, 2002, 06:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CheesePuff:
I bet 10.3 will be Couger.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Then they could use my school logo. Go Cougs baby!

(Washington State University) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

jock · Jul 21, 2002, 08:56 PM

Question for developers.
If sherlock now only searches the net, where is the option to index the hard drive?

Drizzt · Jul 21, 2002, 09:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jock:
Question for developers.
If sherlock now only searches the net, where is the option to index the hard drive?<hr /></blockquote>Get info + a file menu item in the Finder I believe..

OzarkMtn · Jul 21, 2002, 09:13 PM

Has anybody else experienced the disappearing cursor when in M$ Entourage or Word? Whenever I mouse over the body of the document, the cursor vanishes, when I move the mouse onto the toolbar or back over to the desktop, it reappears...

BuonRotto · Jul 21, 2002, 09:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jock:
Question for developers.
If sherlock now only searches the net, where is the option to index the hard drive?<hr /></blockquote>The local find function is back in the Finder (command-f). now the Finder can, you know, find things!

Ron Goodman · Jul 21, 2002, 09:34 PM

I've seen it running on a Pismo and it seems to be Snappier�. Right now it looks to me like a bigger jump than that from 10.0.4 to 10.1.

fmalloy · Jul 21, 2002, 09:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by barney ntd:
Cheetah was 10.0
Puma was 10.1
Jaguar is 10.2
Pussycat for 10.3?<hr /></blockquote>10.3 will be the "Hello Kitty" release.

JellyBeen · Jul 21, 2002, 11:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hash:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Catfish_Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ToxikK:
i cant even get 6c92 to boot. it says panic: we are hanging when it boots... any ideas?<hr /></blockquote>I had a similar problem, except that I couldn't even get it to boot off the installer CD. This happened with C75 and C92, both burned with Toast Titanium 5.1.4 as Mac Volumes. The computer is a G4 450MHz (AGP graphics v2.9) with 320MBs of ram, and a SCSI card.<hr /></blockquote>You should burn them only with Apple disc utility (i mentioned it earlier)<hr /></blockquote>Your mistake was that you had to DESELECT Optimize on The Fly.
It works perfectly if you do that.

Dr Evil · Jul 22, 2002, 01:18 AM

I have 6C92 that was a .dmg file and it wouldn't boot the iBook when I burned it in Disc Copy. I used the lastest version of Toast and burned as a disk image and it worked.

But, on startup, I get the new startup screen and then the picture distorts and crashes. That is with a reformat and clean install on my Rev 2 iBook. I gave up on the LONG install process and went back to 10.1.5 for the time being.

Kenneth · Jul 22, 2002, 12:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tominator:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CheesePuff:
I bet 10.3 will be Couger.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Then they could use my school logo. Go Cougs baby!

(Washington State University) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yeah....GO COUGS!!

Shame · Jul 22, 2002, 01:58 PM

10.5 will be Jinx.

t_hah · Jul 22, 2002, 02:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shame:
10.5 will be Jinx.<hr /></blockquote>then 10.6 will be Focker?

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silverghost · Jul 22, 2002, 04:45 PM

yeah ive got a comment, to the few people in here asking for help with your builds have you all read the forum guidelines it says <blockquote>quote:<hr />Threads requesting assistance pirating Jaguar or other software as well as threads requesting technical support for pirated software are inappropriate and will be locked or deleted. Repeated failure to comply with these guidelines will result in the termination of your account. <hr /></blockquote>ok sorry for the rant.

aloha

karbon · Jul 22, 2002, 05:04 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by barney ntd:
Cheetah was 10.0
Puma was 10.1
Jaguar is 10.2
Pussycat for 10.3?
<hr /></blockquote>Heh, well, there are a lot of cats to choose from:
1 African Golden Cat Felis aurata
2 Bornean Bay Cat Felis badia
3 Black-Footed Cat Felis nigripes
4 Bobcat Lynx rufus
5 Canadian Lynx Lynx canadensis
6 Caracal Felis caracal
7 Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus
8 Chinese Desert Cat Felis bieti
9 Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa
10 Fishing Cat Felis viverrina
11 Flat-Headed Cat Felis planiceps
12 Geoffroy's Cat Felis geoffroyi
13 Jaguar Panthera onca
14 Jaguarundi Felis yaguarondi
15 Jungle Cat Felis chaus
16 Kodkod Felis guigna
17 Leopard Panthera pardus
18 Leopard Cat Felis bengalensis
19 Lion Panthera leo
20 Marbled Cat Felis marmorata
21 Margay Cat Felis wiedii
22 Mountain Cat Felis jacobita
23 Northern Lynx Lynx lynx
24 Ocelot Felis pardalis
25 Pallas's Cat Felis manul
26 Pampas Cat Felis colocolo
27 Puma Felis concolor
28 Rusty-Spotted Cat Felis rubiginosa
29 Sand Cat Felis margarita
30 Serval Felis serval
31 Snow Leopard Panthera uncia
32 Spanish lynx Lynx pardinus
33 Temminck's Golden Cat Felis temminckii
34 Tiger Panthera tigris
35 Tiger Cat Felis tigrina
36 Wild Cat Felis silvestris (includes domestic cat Felis catus)

So, Lion, Leopard, Tiger and Wild Cat are likely candidates...

lookmark · Jul 22, 2002, 05:23 PM

Guys.

Do you all really think it's going to be a succession of big cat names for the next fifteen years?

We're going to see a plethora of animals (for sure) but possibly also storm systems, scientific processes, musical symphonies (well, maybe not -- been there, done that) metallic compounds, colors of the rainbow, you name it...

Andrew 8808 · Jul 22, 2002, 07:32 PM

I played w/ 6C98 at the Apple Store on the new widescreen iMac. They had the desktop to change like every 5 seconds. Nifty, but got annoying, so I had to change it. Now, I think this was just an isolated case, but it seemed no snappier to me. I would've tried logging out and in again, but I'm sure they have a password, and didn't want to do that.
I tried logging in AIM w/ iChat, but it kept cutting me off. Not sure why. I was not happy that the minimize to icon wasn't present, as I really wanted to see it. Hopefully they're fine tuning it, and put it back in.

Spring loaded folders were nice, I like the zooming effect. I do wish however, they'd add the spring functionality to the Dock folders.

Overall, it was pretty cool. Didn't seem too much snappier, but again, I think it just needed a logging out or something.

Anomalous · Jul 22, 2002, 07:42 PM

So, still no minimize-in-place?

PS I just graduated from the University of Washington, supreme rival of the Cougars.

sambeau · Jul 22, 2002, 07:46 PM

What about Lynx.

Of course, Steve would pronounce it "Leenuux"

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Developer · Jul 22, 2002, 07:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by karbon:
So, Lion, Leopard, Tiger and Wild Cat are likely candidates...<hr /></blockquote>I guess Leopard and Tiger are out, since they sound too much like a German tank to me.

mrcorwin · Jul 22, 2002, 07:48 PM

I think panther

sambeau · Jul 22, 2002, 07:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrcorwin:
I think panther<hr /></blockquote>Is that a "rinky-dink" panther?

lookmark · Jul 22, 2002, 11:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Anomalous:
[QB]So, still no minimize-in-place?]<hr /></blockquote>Sadly, minimize-in-place has been pulled out in 6C98. Hopefully just the UI is gone while they tinker with it (or save it for 10.3) and someone will figure how to switch it on. So we can play with it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Other observations on 6C98, from Apple Soho:

- Spring-loaded folders in column view do indeed work. Must've missed there before in Finder Preferences ("always open in a new window" has to be unchecked). Works nicely.

- This has been reported, but there so many polishing touches in Jaguar it's quite amazing. The little details that make a UI so great: an icon mask when selecting the icon picture in Get Info (instead of a square), folder animations when drag and dropping, a better algorithm when resizing columns in list view (not perfect, but so much better), new bright cursor icons, dock badges, the nifty new 'chasing arrows' animation, the clean effect of new sharper, glass-like widgets, a smarter reshuffling and ordering of Finder menus, on and on. But best of all:

- The search field in the Finder toolbar is incredibly useful. I mean, this is so far and above OS 9 that even the most skeptical OS 9 user will have to take a good and serious look at this OS. I can't tell you the difference this is going to make in usability, and workflow.

I'm positive that this (and column view) will be the two first things whatever follows XP is going to copy.

- No Services in standard contextual menus, alas.

- Nearly every Apple app has been improved. When you come upon one that's been mostly untouched, in fact, it's a bit disappointing.

All in all, a upgrade worth counting the days for.

[ 07-22-2002, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

pahroza · Jul 22, 2002, 11:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Andrew 8808:
I played w/ 6C98 at the Apple Store on the new widescreen iMac. They had the desktop to change like every 5 seconds. Nifty, but got annoying, so I had to change it. Now, I think this was just an isolated case, but it seemed no snappier to me. I would've tried logging out and in again, but I'm sure they have a password, and didn't want to do that.
I tried logging in AIM w/ iChat, but it kept cutting me off. Not sure why. I was not happy that the minimize to icon wasn't present, as I really wanted to see it. Hopefully they're fine tuning it, and put it back in.

Spring loaded folders were nice, I like the zooming effect. I do wish however, they'd add the spring functionality to the Dock folders.

Overall, it was pretty cool. Didn't seem too much snappier, but again, I think it just needed a logging out or something.<hr /></blockquote>No username/pass that you really have to worry about, if so, try apple/apple

i was able to authenticate in netinfo, and enable the root account that way. I told the folks at the apple store that the boxes weren't very secure with a user/pass of apple/apple, but he said they get restaged every night off the network...

Oneota · Jul 22, 2002, 11:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by VValdo:
Does Jaguar give you the option to make the Dock double-clickable? I have mine on the right, and I hate accidentally opening stuff up when I'm reaching for the scroll bars and overshoot.

I had the dock on the bottom and had the same problem. It's just too touchy....

Double-click option? Anyone?

W<hr /></blockquote>I had never heard of anyone requesting this feature until now, so I would guess "no".

lookmark · Jul 23, 2002, 11:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Andrew 8808:
I played w/ 6C98 at the Apple Store on the new widescreen iMac. They had the desktop to change like every 5 seconds. Nifty, but got annoying, so I had to change it. Now, I think this was just an isolated case, but it seemed no snappier to me. I would've tried logging out and in again, but I'm sure they have a password, and didn't want to do that.
I tried logging in AIM w/ iChat, but it kept cutting me off. Not sure why. I was not happy that the minimize to icon wasn't present, as I really wanted to see it. Hopefully they're fine tuning it, and put it back in.

Spring loaded folders were nice, I like the zooming effect. I do wish however, they'd add the spring functionality to the Dock folders.

Overall, it was pretty cool. Didn't seem too much snappier, but again, I think it just needed a logging out or something.<hr /></blockquote>The changing desktops (with fades) makes a neat demo. But yeah. Unless you're the kind of person who watches TV and the radio while you work, you have to turn it off fairly quickly.

The machines I used at Apple Soho were unprotected. You had admin access, set to auto log-in, and pretty much no one was watching. Didn't have a chance to create a new user and check out the Simple(ton) Finder, but did reboot to see the new cute boot screen.

6C98 did seem snappier to me, but I didn't have the time to really put it to the test. Some UI animations are still a bit slow. Guess we'll see.

[ 07-23-2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

Sarc · Jul 23, 2002, 05:13 PM

I think the disappearing cursor is a feature ...
I you look carefully it always disappears in places where you either type text or read text from ... look for instance carracho ... it disappears on the news and on personal mesages.

Sarc

lookmark · Jul 23, 2002, 10:29 PM

Stopped by Apple Soho again. A few extra tidbits:

<img src="http://look-designs.com/extras/jaguar_tidbits/webloc_icon.gif" alt=" - " />
Finally, a new .webloc icon.

<img src="http://look-designs.com/extras/jaguar_tidbits/current_column_indication.gif" alt=" - " />
The active column you're at now has a white arrow to indicate this.

<img src="http://look-designs.com/extras/jaguar_tidbits/find_info_icon_selection.gif" alt=" - " />
The much nicer icon selection as mentioned earlier in Find Info.

[ 07-23-2002, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

bmedina · Jul 23, 2002, 11:35 PM

A few more notes. A few applications have been added to the /System/Library/Core Services directory: AppleFileServer, Kerberos, and OBEXAgent.

Here are some pics of the icons:
Kerberos icon:
<img src="http://benmedina.dyndns.org/images/Kerberos.png" alt=" - " />

OBEXAgent icon:
<img src="http://benmedina.dyndns.org/images/OBEXAgent.png" alt=" - " />

You can open the Kerberos application, which gives you a window that looks like this:
<img src="http://benmedina.dyndns.org/images/KerberosWindow.png" alt=" - " />

Clicking on the "Get Tickets" button opens up another app called Kerberos Login Server, which displays this window:
<img src="http://benmedina.dyndns.org/images/KerberosLoginWindow.png" alt=" - " />

CheesePuff · Jul 23, 2002, 11:35 PM

I can't comment on 6C98... but I can on 6C106. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

It was seeded just today (to people who only got 6C35 and none of the other ones), so who knows if this is the final or something like it.

It's definitly "GM" material, and is just as fast as OS 9 on this iMac G4 800.

Zimphire · Jul 24, 2002, 01:15 AM

98 is fast, been using it as regular as I can, getting 106 now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

JLL · Jul 24, 2002, 03:30 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CheesePuff:
I can't comment on 6C98... but I can on 6C106. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

It was seeded just today (to people who only got 6C35 and none of the other ones), so who knows if this is the final or something like it.

It's definitly "GM" material, and is just as fast as OS 9 on this iMac G4 800.<hr /></blockquote>And people wonder why ADC members only get a few builds.

Mediaman_12 · Jul 24, 2002, 06:05 AM

One question that would make the Dock perfect. Can you drag & drop on to the popup menus?
This would replicate the functionality of the popup windows (early draws)from OS9.

JKT · Jul 24, 2002, 06:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mediaman_12:
One question that would make the Dock perfect. Can you drag & drop on to the popup menus?
This would replicate the functionality of the popup windows (early draws)from OS9.<hr /></blockquote>I don't think this is possible yet, but hopefully it will be at some point... it was practically the first feedback request I made after getting 10.0.

mrchin · Jul 24, 2002, 09:41 AM

10.3 = Panther

Developer · Jul 24, 2002, 10:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrchin:
10.3 = Panther<hr /></blockquote>So the 10.3 preview page will be all pink?

Why not

<img src="http://www.panda.org/resources/publications/areport2001/images/lynx.jpg" alt=" - " />

Mac OS X 10.3 Lynx

[ 07-24-2002, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Developer ]

Diggory Laycock · Jul 24, 2002, 10:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
Stopped by Apple Soho again. A few extra tidbits:

<img src="http://look-designs.com/extras/jaguar_tidbits/webloc_icon.gif" alt=" - " />
Finally, a new .webloc icon.

<hr /></blockquote>Hurrah!

It's the little things�

Now we need to lobby for the spring-loaded dock. (If it's not there by Aug 24th <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

OBEX agent is part of the 10.1.x Bluetooth Preview SW too - it runs on log-in.

If you like me have heard the name Kerberos a lot, but never quite knew what it was/worked read this:
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/dialogue.html" target="_blank">http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/dialogue.html</a>
It explains a cool and complex system in easy to understand terms.

My vote for 10.3 code-name: Ocelot
<img src="http://www.wildlifeadventures.com/2002/South/images/ocelot.jpg" alt=" - " />

[ 07-24-2002, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Diggory Laycock ]

kbata · Jul 24, 2002, 11:41 AM

Do the current builds of 10.2 support printing to an AppleTalk Printer?

klanda · Jul 24, 2002, 11:45 AM

Ummmm. Ocelot will _not_ be the code name for X.3. They already went for something tooo similar in their internal code names for Jagwire.... Costsalot!