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Originally Posted by icruise 
Of course they will support whichever format becomes the standard. So will pretty much everybody else. I imagine we'll eventually see Sony-branded HD-DVD players if HD-DVD wins. And while Microsoft may not be *the* driving force behind HD-DVD, they are *a* driving force behind it, and will stand to benefit if it wins.
I'm pretty sure it's been posted in here before, but Microsoft wins no matter which format wins. And in all actuality, they'd probably benefit more from BluRay winning as they would get to sell another addon for the 360.
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MS has its hands in both the HD DVD and Blu-ray pots, but it's clear that MS is heavily promoting HD DVD. Likely part of the reason is that they were instrumental in the development on iHD. Ironically, so was Disney, but then Disney went Blu-ray. 
It's tough to deny that MS is a big HD DVD proponent when they drive a big semi around North America promoting HD DVD. 
In fact, a VP of Microsoft and friends are coming to Toronto to demo HD DVD for anyone who's interested, likely in a few weeks.
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Originally Posted by Eug
It's tough to deny that MS is a big HD DVD proponent when they drive a big semi around North America promoting HD DVD.
Lets just hope that truck results in 2 million new HD-DVD customers this year
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Lets just hope that truck results in 2 million new HD-DVD customers this year
Paramount's prediction of 1.7 million HD DVD players total by the end of 2007 seems reasonable.
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Korean Newswire on Samsung Universal player
Seoul, Apr 13 (Korea Newswire)-- Samsung Electronics Co., LTD., a leader in consumer electronics and digital media technologies, and the first company to introduce a Blu-ray disc player will introduce a dual format High-Definition (HD) optical disc player in time for the holidays.
Samsung’s Duo HD player (BD-UP5000) will fully support both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc formats and their interactive technologies, HDi and BD-Java. With the Duo HD consumers can enjoy additional studio content such as trailers, director’s comments, more elaborate interactive menus and behind the scene footage. The new Duo HD joins Samsung’s next generation DVD line-up which includes Samsung’s second generation Blu-ray player available at retail this month. Together, these two models offer the consumer a strong line of High-Definition players to match Samsung’s award winning, and best selling, line of HDTVs.
"We welcome Samsung's Duo HD player as another solution in the marketplace that will help reduce consumer confusion and buyer hesitancy towards HD media," said Ron Sanders, President of Warner Home Video. "This is an innovative product that can move us closer to mainstream consumer adoption of HD technologies."
“We are very pleased to announce the upcoming release of our Duo HD player. Consumers are hungry for more HD content but are currently confused about competing formats. Samsung’s Duo HD player will allow consumers access to every HD movie title available regardless of the authoring format. Samsung is committed to making life simpler through technology and will market next generation DVD products which will satisfy the consumer and market requirement. This is a big win for the consumer.
As a member of the DVD Forum and contributor to the DVD Industry, we recognize that both HD-DVD and BD formats have merits. As such, we have decided to market a dual format player. Samsung is flexible to market a stand-alone HD-DVD player whenever consumers demand it. Our main concern is not technology but consumer choice” said Dongsoo Jun, Executive Vice President of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics.
Expect many more IMO.
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... but is it cheap?
By cheap of course, I mean $1k or less. I'm not paying $1200. (Well, it does have iHD support, so if it was made well, unlike the first gen BD player, I might bite.)
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Originally Posted by Brien
... but is it cheap?
By cheap of course, I mean $1k or less. I'm not paying $1200. (Well, it does have iHD support, so if it was made well, unlike the first gen BD player, I might bite.)
Should be under $1000 with full support for BD-Java and HDi. That's not bad because the MSRP of their BD-P1200 is $799 so it's like buying a HD DVD add on for a mere $200 more.
I figure the second generation Univeral players will be %40 cheaper.
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The fact that $1199 is outrageous for a borked LG player doesn't make $999 cheap, even for a feature complete Samsung dual-format hybrid.
$199 is cheap. $999 is just low-enough-to-get-your-foot-in-the-door. Still, it is encouraging to see a potential end to this war.
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Originally Posted by Eug
The fact that $1199 is outrageous for a borked LG player doesn't make $999 cheap, even for a feature complete Samsung dual-format hybrid.
$199 is cheap. $999 is just low-enough-to-get-your-foot-in-the-door. Still, it is encouraging to see a potential end to this war.
We've a long way to mass adoption.
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$999 is no where near cheap for general interest. I mean for that money you are better buying either HD or BR player and some movies and when one is a winner it still might end up cheaper to buy a new player and replace many of your now out-dated titles.
Even then you can keep your old player as long as you have the free ports. It isn't like they will expire.
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Call me when HD movies players are in the $100 - $200 range.
The PS3 had me tempted to buy one, but I may just bag it all and wait to see what Leopard has in it this fall. If DVD player can handle HD-DVD or BD, I may make the plunge.
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Take this as you will...
This French article claims Kenwood and Hitachi will announce HD DVD players this year.
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Lastly, for finished, will know that clan HD-DVD is proud to count in his rows two new allies, and not of least since it acts of Hitachi and Kenwood. The two popular marks in Europe, but twice elsewhere, thus give their support for this format, which is of good news for Toshiba.
We will say some to you more very soon.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
What gives the 360 the edge in my opinion is the option to use a universal remote with it. No IR port on the PS3 means I wont be using one as an HD player anytime soon.
Actually, the PS3 supports USB IR adapters (I've tried it) so you could in fact use a universal remote if you wanted.
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Yeah... I read those as well (and in fact linked to one of them above). But my point is that all of these news stories are based (as far as I can determine) entirely on that one press release about Apple joining the Blu-ray association. But they don't take into account Apple's later claim to be supporting them both.
In other words, (as I said several times above) the media seemed to take Apple's joining the Blu-ray association as an indication that they had chosen a side, when the facts don't seem to support that. I personally think Apple is a lot more likely to support Blu-ray, but I can't prove that. We just have to wait and see what they do.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
Actually, a quick glance shows that we had moved on in this thread about this topic... until you posted about it again.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
I'm tired and sick with a cold. You nerds can continue reading the tea leaves and arguing over minutia until the end of the world for all I care.
Dude give it up already. You're the only one who's barking here now.
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All signs still point to a stalemate:
Black: HD DVD
Blue: Blu-ray
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Originally Posted by Eug
All signs still point to a stalemate:
Black: HD DVD
Blue: Blu-ray
Isn't that just showing sales for less than a month? How does that show much?
Is there a chart that shows sales overall?
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Isn't that just showing sales for less than a month? How does that show much?
Is there a chart that shows sales overall?
Up until mid March, total disc sales as reported by Nielson were 6:5 in favour of Blu-ray. We don't have Nielson data after that, but the Amazon rankings since then provide interesting surrogate data.
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Originally Posted by Montezuma58
Well.. both movies play fine on the PS3. Since both formats and/or players ain't in a mature status, consumers are pretty much in a 'gambling mode' for jumping into the HD-DVD/BR format.
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Well, although Final Cut Studio has been updated to version 2.0, DVD Studio Pro is still at version 4. That means there is still only partial HD DVD support, and no support for Blu-ray at all.
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Originally Posted by Eug
Well, although Final Cut Studio has been updated to version 2.0, DVD Studio Pro is still at version 4. That means there is still only partial HD DVD support, and no support for Blu-ray at all.
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I thought we all said that about two pages ago?
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Originally Posted by exca1ibur
I thought we all said that about two pages ago?
Yeah, but I was thinking that Final Cut Studio 2 (which was released today) would get DVD Studio 5, and thus could have full support for both HD DVD and Blu-ray.
However, Apple didn't bother to upgrade DVDSP for FCS2. I suspect they may want to wait for Leopard for that.
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Okay, gotcha. Missed that one.
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Originally Posted by Montezuma58
Another reason why I would prefer that Sony doesn't win this format war:
Sony Strikes Again
What a load of ****. **** Sony.
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When did Sony become another M$?
Man, all this whining of HD DVD/Blu-ray and PS3/360 and when it comes down to it, both companies just **** all over us. 
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Guess I was wrong about Bluray/HD-DVD support on the Mac Pros at NAB.
Doesn't bode well for Bluray/HD-DVD support on the consumer side this year.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Guess I was wrong about Bluray/HD-DVD support on the Mac Pros at NAB.
Doesn't bode well for Bluray/HD-DVD support on the consumer side this year.
I'm going to go out on a limb and still guess on limited HD DVD support (and possibly limited Blu-ray support) for iDVD '07.
In the meantime: Reuter's article:
Dongsoo Jun, executive vp of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics, said his company also "is flexible to market a stand-alone HD DVD player whenever consumers demand it."
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Originally Posted by Eug
I'm going to go out on a limb and still guess on limited HD DVD support (and possibly limited Blu-ray support) for iDVD '07.
Yeah, we could still see HD-DVD on DVD support for iDVD. There is no way we're going to see full Bluray or HD-DVD support this year if the pro software doesn't get those features.
At this point neither format has enough critical mass to justify shipping consumer support. And as you pointed out, Bluray isn't "winning" the format war. HD-DVD looks like it will pull back ahead again. If you ask me, Bluray just had a spike because of the PS3 release.
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Well, the new Compressor 3 does support output appropriate for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, and there is even VC1 support if you use a 3rd-party plug-in.
In the meantime... Colour me surprised, but the BBC Planet Earth HD DVD box set is #4 at Amazon in the DVD section.  AFAIK, that's the highest ever for any hi-def title. Even Casino Royale for Blu-ray only ever got to #7, and Planet Earth for Blu-ray is at #16. The DVD set is #1.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Yeah, we could still see HD-DVD on DVD support for iDVD. There is no way we're going to see full Bluray or HD-DVD support this year if the pro software doesn't get those features.
However like Eug said, there still is no show of DVD Studio Pro 5. So it's possible. We never really know. Compressor handles the compression and DVD Studio Pro handles the assembly and file structuring. Unless there ships a Mac with a bundled drive, or BTO I kinda doubt it as well though.
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Originally Posted by Eug
In the meantime... Colour me surprised, but the BBC Planet Earth HD DVD box set is #4 at Amazon in the DVD section. AFAIK, that's the highest ever for any hi-def title. Even Casino Royale for Blu-ray only ever got to #7, and Planet Earth for Blu-ray is at #16. The DVD set is #1.
How many disks is it for a $69 US price?
It will be interesting to see if it outsells Casino Royal. Might also be that HD-DVD owners are just clamoring for a noteworthy release as there hasn't been much recently to get excited about.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
How many disks is it for a $69 US price?
It will be interesting to see if it outsells Casino Royal. Might also be that HD-DVD owners are just clamoring for a noteworthy release as there hasn't been much recently to get excited about.
It's 4 discs, with eleven 55-minute episodes. I presume that means 3 episodes per disc for 3 discs, and 2 episodes on the last disc. That's 165 minutes per disc. BTW, I think it's encoded with VC-1.
I'd be surprised if it outsells Casino Royal (despite Planet Earth's higher ranking), but you never know. In any case, it's a lot more popular than I thought it would be, considering it's a nature documentary.
Ironically, the cheaper 5-disc DVD version has MORE extras than the 4-disc Blu-ray and HD DVD versions. It has some extra behind-the-scenes footage. Bastards. Mind you, the DVD version is only $16 cheaper than the HD versions.
I'm just glad I ordered it early. Maybe I'll actually get it on time next week. I wonder how many people are going to have to wait, given the surprisingly high demand (on both HD DVD and Blu-ray, as well as on DVD).
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Originally Posted by Eug
Well, the new Compressor 3 does support output appropriate for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, and there is even VC1 support if you use a 3rd-party plug-in.
In the meantime... Colour me surprised, but the BBC Planet Earth HD DVD box set is #4 at Amazon in the DVD section. AFAIK, that's the highest ever for any hi-def title. Even Casino Royale for Blu-ray only ever got to #7, and Planet Earth for Blu-ray is at #16. The DVD set is #1.
I have the Blu-ray version on my NetFlix queue and I can't wait. 
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I'm pretty surprised that such an expensive set would rank so high, whatever the format. I think it probably just means that there aren't any blockbuster DVD titles coming out right at the moment.
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It doesn't burn BDs... which is actually a good thing, cuz it is actually affordable for us mere mortals, at US$299.
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HD DVD First to Reach 100K CE Players Sold in the U.S.
Marking the first anniversary of HD DVD hardware and movies sold to consumers, the North American HD DVD Promotional Group announced today that sales of dedicated HD DVD consumer electronics players reached more than 100K units sold in the United States, ahead of any other high definition format. This figure does not include sales of HD DVD PC drives or the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, which are also selling strongly.
As consumers see lower prices for high definition players, the manufacturing efficiencies of HD DVD are keeping the format one step ahead. As the first to bring CE player prices down below the $400 mark, Toshiba is hearing encouraging news from retailers.
"Toshiba remains committed to drive sales with strategic pricing and marketing to complement the rapid market adoption of HDTVs," said Jodi Sally, vice president of marketing, Toshiba America Consumer Products. "Retailers are showing a significant increase in sales volume this month so far. On Amazon.com, our HD DVD players continue to rank among the top ten best sellers of all DVD players, which says a lot about how consumers relate to price."
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You basically have a choice between Sony or Toshiba. Don't kid yourselves folks. HD-DVD may have the appearance of being developed by a consortium but it is Toshiba's baby. Ironically, Bluray seems to have a more diverse set of hardware companies supporting it despite the media portraying it as a Sony format.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
You basically have a choice between Sony or Toshiba. Don't kid yourselves folks. HD-DVD may have the appearance of being developed by a consortium but it is Toshiba's baby. Ironically, Bluray seems to have a more diverse set of hardware companies supporting it despite the media portraying it as a Sony format.
Companies making Bluray players:
Samsung
Sony
Philips
Panasonic
LG
Companies making HD-DVD players:
Toshiba
Samsung
RCA
LG
One more manufacturer = significantly more diverse hardware?
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RCA doesn't count, because it just rebrands Toshibas.
Pioneer makes Blu-ray players.
LG's combo player is borked for HD DVDs.
So, Blu-ray still has the manufacturer advantage. However, the advantage is slowly dwindling, and it seems people are more than happy to buy Toshibas.
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Originally Posted by Montezuma58
Another reason why I would prefer that Sony doesn't win this format war:
Sony Strikes Again
Until I read about the problems these people are having, I didn't care who won. Reflecting back on the BS about the Mini Disc and the whole reason Sony lost out to the iPod, I realize that even though I have previously been a Sony fan, I have developed a true hate for most Sony products. Proof is in my recently purchased PSP that I was hoping would play nice big movies and videos on the big screen. Well it's been a nightmare and I finally gave up. Sony is so wrapped up on copyprotection that I now avoid all of their products. And they make some great ones, but I'm not dealing with it anymore. They can take their user unfriendly copyprotection and shove up their ass. Sony is worse than M$.
Until recently I have only purchased Sony TV's. Not anymore. I may buy a few Sony products, such as maybe their cameras, but if thier is any hint of copyprotection than I'll go elsewhere.
Signed Previous Sony Fan, now Sony hater.
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I don't like sony as a company but I do LOVE ~some~ of their products as they have great industrial design (next to Apple) and very good quality and support.
Sony is strange because each department is like their own separate company so if one thing sucks it isn't reflective on the company as a whole.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Sony is strange because each department is like their own separate company so if one thing sucks it isn't reflective on the company as a whole.
This is very true, and is actually pretty typical of Japanese companies. It's not that unusual to see different divisions in the same company actually competing with one another, or keeping secrets from one another. When you get something as big as Sony, you can definitely get some situations where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
That said, i can't say that I love Sony's policies in general. That rootkit thing was ridiculous, for example. Still, I think the people who are choosing HD-DVD because they think it's somehow taking the moral high ground will be in for a rude awakening. When it comes to consumer rights, these companies are pretty much all out to screw us, frankly.
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Originally Posted by Eug
World's first BD combo drive: Pioneer BDC-S02
CD-RW burner
DVD-RW burner
DVD+RW burner
DVD-RAM burner
BD-ROM reader
It doesn't burn BDs... which is actually a good thing, cuz it is actually affordable for us mere mortals, at US$299.
Then players should hopefully come down in price.
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Originally Posted by icruise
When it comes to consumer rights, these companies are pretty much all out to screw us, frankly.
Fact of the decade.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Sony is strange because each department is like their own separate company so if one thing sucks it isn't reflective on the company as a whole.
To a certain extent yes, but it seems that Sony's stake in movies and music has heavily influenced many of its consumer electronic decisions.
I think a company like IBM is a better example. eg. IBM's semiconductor division made the G5, and for the longest time the server blade group didn't bother to offer it because they liked AMD's Opterons better.
Originally Posted by Brien
Then players should hopefully come down in price.
Besides various other components, much of the price is licencing actually. The ROM drives themselves are well under 100 bucks.
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