|
|
MacNN Dark Confession Series 08: RACISM
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
Geez, the controversy over this cartoon got me thinking about this today.
I was offended when I first saw it. Like 99% of the members on this forum, I don't believe I am racist in the least. But sometimes I wonder if my sensitivity to the subject is an over reaction. Or compensating for something I'm not aware of.
If anyone here is brave enough to admit they are racist, tell us why.
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
I'm not offended, I just plain don't get it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Isle of Manhattan
Status:
Offline
|
|
I'm not offended. The first time I saw this I thought about the "bunch of monkees in a room with a typewriter" analogy.
Apparently the racism aspect went right over my head.
|
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
It's not an either-or thing. I wasn't offended when I first saw the cartoon, but I would not dismiss the feelings of others, such as the National Association of Black Journalists, who perceive it to be an attack, based on the historical depiction of blacks in America.
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Senior User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Florida
Status:
Offline
|
|
Should have made a poll out of this.
I don't get it either ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Detroit
Status:
Offline
|
|
monkey(s) is term used to describe black people. the US president is black; who just created/signed a stimulus package.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by residentEvil
monkey(s) is term used to describe black people. the US president is black; who just created/signed a stimulus package.
Seems more like a series of unfortunate coincidences than a concerted attempt at racism.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
Seems more like a series of unfortunate coincidences than a concerted attempt at racism.
I don't think it was intentional, but how did it go through the editorial process without someone saying "Hey, wait a minute, could this be seen as racist?"
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Detroit
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
Seems more like a series of unfortunate coincidences than a concerted attempt at racism.
well, with the recent chimp attack on a woman; and the bill being signed...
sorta a double meaning cartoon.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
Intent is basically irrelevant. The question is really whether the Post should have anticipated that the cartoon might be perceived as racist, and I would argue that they should have.
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
If it weren't so horrific, the chimp story would be kind of funny.
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
Intent is basically irrelevant.
No. **** you, 1000 times, no. If someone says something that could be construed as racist unintentionally that does not make them racist.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Isle of Manhattan
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
Intent is basically irrelevant. The question is really whether the Post should be anticipated that the cartoon might be perceived as racist, and I would argue that they should have.
The NY Post is notorious for all things seedy and is thoroughly tainted by yellow journalism - it knew what it was publishing. Anything to sell papers.
|
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Detroit
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by design219
If it weren't so horrific, the chimp story would be kind of funny.
was the chimp use to getting zantec (sp?). i mean, giving "wild" animals drugs probably isn't a good thing.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by osiris
The NY Post is notorious for all things seedy and is thoroughly tainted by yellow journalism - it knew what it was publishing. Anything to sell papers.
Now, say if that's the case, what's the appropriate punishment? It sounds like you're saying talking about it only encourages them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
No. **** you, 1000 times, no. If someone says something that could be construed as racist unintentionally that does not make them racist.
No matter what you say or do, there is always someone that will find some sort of racist undertones to it. To try and pander to those people would be impossible.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Laminar
No matter what you say or do, there is always someone that will find some sort of racist undertones to it. To try and pander to those people would be impossible.
Al Sharpton, perhaps?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by osiris
The NY Post is notorious for all things seedy and is thoroughly tainted by yellow journalism - it knew what it was publishing. Anything to sell papers.
Racist! There are plenty of great Asian journalists out there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
No. **** you, 1000 times, no. If someone says something that could be construed as racist unintentionally that does not make them racist.
I'm not saying that it makes the Post racist. However, if you put out an ambiguous message that could easily be interpreted as racist without clarification, you essentially acknowledge the racist interpretation. This is not so important if it's a small group of people talking (assuming none of them subscribe to the racist interpretation), but if you are wider media entity like a newspaper you have to be held to higher editorial standards (not that the Post has a history of having standards...). The question is whether the chimp cartoon has a racist interpretation that should have been clearly identified by the Post editors, and I would say that it does.
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Laminar
To try and pander to those people would be impossible.
What do you mean by "those people"?
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Louisiana
Status:
Offline
|
|
The controversy over this cartoon is ridiculous. Obama signed the bill, but he didn't write it.
Stupid cartoon? Yes. Racist? No.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by design219
What do you mean by "those people"?
The easily offended, PC crowd (Assuming you weren't joking, which I hope and pray you were).
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
The stupid smilies just make things too obvious.
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by design219
The stupid smilies just make things too obvious.
It's ok. 9 x out 10 I would of thought you were joking, but you did start this thread.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
No love for my other racist comment?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Sorry, the thread is going a little faster than usual.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Isle of Manhattan
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by design219
What do you mean by "those people"?
What do YOU mean by "those people"?
|
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Isle of Manhattan
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Laminar
No love for my other racist comment?
Noted.
|
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by osiris
What do YOU mean by "those people"?
Damn! I knew I must be a racist.
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Status:
Offline
|
|
|
"That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!" *wheeze*
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Louisiana
Status:
Offline
|
|
Page 2 and still no "Wacist!" pic link?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Page 2 and still no "Wacist!" pic link?
Page 2?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Page 2 and still no "Wacist!" pic link?
Because Kevin's gone.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
Page 2?
They haven't developed the technology to view more posts per page down in Loo-siana. They're chocolate people, you know.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
Stephen Colbert has referred to Washington DC as the chocolate city with a marshmallow center (and a graham cracker crust of corruption).
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
Status:
Offline
|
|
I love Colbert. He's the one thing I miss about not having cable. It's just not the same on Hulu.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Louisiana
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Laminar
They haven't developed the technology to view more posts per page down in Loo-siana.
That's right. I prefer my MacNN in small, manageable doses.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
That's right. I prefer my MacNN in small, manageable doses.
Noob.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Louisiana
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
Noob.
Nerd.
OOoooOoOoOoOOOOooOOoOooOooOooOoooo!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Isle of Manhattan
Status:
Offline
|
|
|
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Nerd.
OOoooOoOoOoOOOOooOOoOooOooOooOoooo!!!
Are we on page 5 yet? Can you count that high?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Professional Poster
Join Date: Oct 2004
Status:
Offline
|
|
Stop racing in the racist thread.
|
__________________________________________________
My stupid iPhone game: Nesen Probe, it's rather old, annoying and pointless, but it's free.
Was free. Now it's gone. Never to be seen again.
Off to join its brother and sister apps that could not
keep up with the ever updating iOS. RIP Nesen Probe.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Louisiana
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by Dakar V
Are we on page 5 yet? Can you count that high?
I can count the following numbers: 21-35.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clinically Insane
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: planning a comeback !
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
It's not an either-or thing. I wasn't offended when I first saw the cartoon, but I would not dismiss the feelings of others, such as the National Association of Black Journalists, who perceive it to be an attack, based on the historical depiction of blacks in America.
Originally Posted by residentEvil
monkey(s) is term used to describe black people. the US president is black; who just created/signed a stimulus package.
But that's factually wrong.
The Stimulus was created by the House, chiefly Nancy Pelosi.
So I don't see any racism, unless, calling Nanci Pelosi smart as a monkey qualifies as racism.
Whodathunkit.
-t
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by turtle777
But that's factually wrong.
The Stimulus was created by the House, chiefly Nancy Pelosi.
Nevertheless, some very reasonable people are truly offended -- it's not just Al Sharpton. Obama is very much identified with the stimulus package. The Post should have seen this coming.
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clinically Insane
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: planning a comeback !
Status:
Offline
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clinically Insane
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: planning a comeback !
Status:
Offline
|
|
So, if I called the current Stimulus a financial "black hole", I'm sure it would be misconstrued as well
-t
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The New Posts Button
Status:
Offline
|
|
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
Nevertheless, some very reasonable people are truly offended -- it's not just Al Sharpton. Obama is very much identified with the stimulus package. The Post should have seen this coming.
So what's the appropriate punishment then?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Status:
Offline
|
|
What do you mean? Fewer people buying their newspaper, I guess. It would be nice if they apologized, but they may have done that already, I haven't noticed.
|
"One ticket to Washington, please. I have a date with destiny."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Rules
|
|
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|