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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
Something from iTunes in September?
iTunes hardware?
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
iTunes hardware?
I was thinking software features requiring 10.6
     
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Well, *that* would make sense, considering the majority of their user base is on XP...


(which is to say, after letting it sit a bit, that Apple's market share in the mp3 player and home market may be surprisingly high, but it's WAY not time yet to make any major iTunes feature Mac-only.)
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Well, *that* would make sense, considering the majority of their user base is on XP...
Hey, thanks for the sarcasm, sorry my casual thinking didn't cover all the bases. Would you like to kick my cat while you're at it?
     
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It wasn't there when I quoted it.
     
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Originally Posted by P View Post
ICounting up savings from the plain Macbook brings me to about $700 as well, but that price wouldn't make a splash. That's why I wonder if they aren't trying something else to get to that $500 laptop that doesn't suck.
Yeah, that's the thing with this netbook version of the MB. If you just look at savings they make when they scale it down, you end up with something which might be $300 cheaper than a MB at best, but it's still almost twice as expensive as the competition.

Sure, this would be a netbook that actually doesn't suck and it would run regular Mac OS X. But how many people would buy it if the Dell is $300 less and the regular MB is just $300 more? Probably not that many. Maybe one of the reasons Apple has been so reluctant.

One obvious way of solving that issue would be to actually replace the 13" MB with a 11" MB mini. That would also be a great way for Apple to cater to the sub-$1k notebook market. However, I'd guess the damage from then not having anything between $700/$800 and $1200 would be quite large.

I'm sure not surprised Apple hasn't made any moves so far. And I'm even more convinced now, that if they end up selling some kind of tablet/netbook/6"-gadget, it will run iPhone/iPod OS and not OS X. And FTR, let me say I'd be thrilled to be proved wrong here by Apple.
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A substantial part of the price of any Mac is the included software (iLife). Cutting that could have them cut the price by a bit, but it's silly to do so: It doesn't COST Apple anything to include the software. They could do it to avoid cannibalizing the Macbook, but it would eat into their margins.

With SL and no included software, you could skip the HD and just include some flash for storage - not as an SSD, but plain flash chips if the OS was tuned to work directly against the flash on some other interface (the SSD controller is a big part of the reason SSDs cost like they do). You'd have a machine that was essentially surfing station - a big screen iPod touch with a keyboard - but with the ability to install other software. I think you could make that work at $500.

Let me be clear that I don't think that the above will happen, but experience shows that when Jobs speaks publicly like that, they're working on SOMETHING.
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I keep seeing numerious reports online that SL is being released Friday, August 28th. This is great news!
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The audio issue I mentioned in my earlier posts is NOT -- repeat, is NOT -- related to OS X 10.6! This is GREAT news as far as the OS goes.

All I'm needing to do is replace the audio flex cable, which is now a "Known Issue" with Apple -- yet they haven't had a recall on it. Upon researching the problem, it seems there are thousands of MacBook Air users having this issue...
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Originally Posted by P View Post
It did sound good to me as well, so I looked around. No, you can't order without Windows. It's brand new (launched on Tuesday, I think) so probably noone has tried installing osx86 on it yet, but the graphics driver seems to be a problem. Apple never used that model. Possibly the driver for the last non-nVidia macbooks could be hacked (that was the X3100, a predecessor of sorts), but I couldn't find anyone who has done it.
At a closer look it does have its share of deficiencies. It's a Celeron 723, not a CULV Penryn (SU9300 or SU3300). That makes it cheaper for Dell, but it has only a third of the cache which will definitely be noticeable. You can't order it w/o Windows. It doesn't have Gigabit and more importantly you can't get 802.11n in there. There's not even a BTO option! Personally I'd rather have more USB that the memory reader, but it seems those damn readers are now built in everywhere. Too bad there's no option to swap the 250 GB SATA HDD for an SSD. Oh well, maybe next time.
     
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Aug 23, 2009, 06:03 PM
 
More importantly, it's missing one core. The first piece I saw described it as a dualcore model, but it turns out that that was incorrect. Suddenly that model got much less interesting, but if I had $400 to spend and it was that or an Atom, it would be that one.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Originally Posted by P View Post
More importantly, it's missing one core.
The SU3300 is single-core too. But the Celerons are further crippled by having 2/3 of the cache removed.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
Something from iTunes in September?
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
iTunes hardware?
Originally Posted by Dakar V
I was thinking software features requiring 10.6

iTunes 9 to allow DVD rips?

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Apple Store (US and international) closed.

     
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Originally Posted by Simon View Post
Apple Store (US and international) closed.

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Aug 24, 2009, 08:39 AM
 
Looks like it's official. August 28th!!!!



But my order still shows it's shipping in September:

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I just ordered my copy! Hoping that 10.6.0 is more stable than 10.5.0....

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UK Upgrade: £25
US Upgrade: $29

..lol.

Anyway, buying a family pack!

Edit: is iTunes 9 default in SL?
     
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Originally Posted by kylef View Post
UK Upgrade: £25
US Upgrade: $29

..lol.

Anyway, buying a family pack!

Edit: is iTunes 9 default in SL?
iTunes 9 hasn't been announced.
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Originally Posted by kylef View Post
UK Upgrade: £25
US Upgrade: $29

..lol.

Anyway, buying a family pack!

Edit: is iTunes 9 default in SL?
Uk price includes sales tax.
     
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I've just placed my order
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Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - Refining the user experience

Now claims we'll get 7GB free space instead of 6. A minor detail, but found that interesting that in 2 months' time, they managed to free up another 1GB
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Originally Posted by 64stang06 View Post
Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - Refining the user experience

Now claims we'll get 7GB free space instead of 6. A minor detail, but found that interesting that in 2 months' time, they managed to free up another 1GB
But does that mean a fresh install of Snow Leopard takes up 7GB less than a fresh install of Leopard or will an upgrade magically free up 7GB of space?
     
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August 28th, nice! So now I'm wondering whether to get the £25 option, or to hang around a while for the Mac Box Set with the iLife and iWork 2010 editions, probably early next year. As said above, 10.6.0 might be a little, er, quirky, so hanging on might be the right thing. Possibly. Maybe...

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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
But my order still shows it's shipping in September:
I ordered the same $9.95 order and it still says "Ships: September". Hopefully we get it on the 28th along with everyone else.
     
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It is indeed the Inspiron 11z as linked by Mrjinglesusa. Nothing makes it a netbook except price and that laptops tend to start at 12" - it's just that it was referred to as one in the piece I saw introducing it.
Thanks for the link.
I've also seen Nokia's new netbook, and I must say, I like the design, the weight and the battery life (even if it it gets close to 8 hours rather than 12, that would be a big improvement). I almost never use the optical drive (I use it only for installs or for ripping CDs these days). However, looking at all the features, I think it won't be cheap
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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
But does that mean a fresh install of Snow Leopard takes up 7GB less than a fresh install of Leopard or will an upgrade magically free up 7GB of space?
Supposedly installing Snow Leopard will free up space, though how much depends on how many optional things you choose to install — that 7 GB number is optimistic.
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In the Dev Forums, and Apple rep said very plainly that "[we] will be able to upgrade from 10A432 to the final retail release of Snow Leopard."

Take that for what it's worth...
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Originally Posted by kylef View Post
Edit: is iTunes 9 default in SL?
SL doesn't come with iTunes.

I think I will just buy a copy at my local Apple Store.

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Awesome! Finally, an official release. And it really is the 28th. So ****ing awesome. I was so sure it would slip past August and end up at the end of September as usual.

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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post
I think I will just buy a copy at my local Apple Store.
Ditto. I love getting things by mail, but you can't swing a stick around here without hitting an Apple Store, so I figure I may as well get it on my schedule.
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Originally Posted by kylef View Post
UK Upgrade: £25
US Upgrade: $29

..lol.

Anyway, buying a family pack!

Edit: is iTunes 9 default in SL?
US upgrade: 29$
CDN upgrade: 35$

according to current rate, it should be more like 31$ but anyway... *kof* rip-off!
     
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No details on a launch event like for past OS releases. How odd.
     
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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
But does that mean a fresh install of Snow Leopard takes up 7GB less than a fresh install of Leopard or will an upgrade magically free up 7GB of space?
I saved about 18GB at work and 24GB at home. A lot of that is from the GiB -> GB conversion however

Take that for what it's worth, but the savings are real!

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Awesome! Finally, an official release. And it really is the 28th. So ****ing awesome. I was so sure it would slip past August and end up at the end of September as usual.
You mean as planned?

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This is meant to be a smaller release (hence the el cheapo upgrade price). But I don't remember any big events for Leopard either.
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You people with 18GB Leopard installs must be installing all the printer drivers, foreign fonts and language transations. Because an install of Leopard for me was 6GB. And Snow Leopard is a little over 3GB. And that's because of the optimized code and the missing PPC binaries in the stock Apple apps.
     
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Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
This is meant to be a smaller release (hence the el cheapo upgrade price). But I don't remember any big events for Leopard either.
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Hrm, not when I went by. I walked out with Leopard and nothing else. I certainly don't recall seeing it advertised.
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I got a T-shirt from MacOutfitters/Computer Forum for both Leopard and Tiger. So I totally expect one for Snow Leopard, unless the release date (Which they print on the shirts) came up too fast to get shirts printed.

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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Thanks for the link.
I've also seen Nokia's new netbook, and I must say, I like the design, the weight and the battery life (even if it it gets close to 8 hours rather than 12, that would be a big improvement). I almost never use the optical drive (I use it only for installs or for ripping CDs these days). However, looking at all the features, I think it won't be cheap
I'm pretty sceptical of the battery-life too, but if it's even "just" eight hours, I think I might finally have found a netbook worthy of being made into a Hackintosh. It also has an 'HD' screen -- presumably either 1366x768 or 1280x720 -- which is infinitely preferable to the kludgey 1024x600 screens on 99.9% of netbooks. (Having using Tiger extensively on my Clamshell, I don't want to go back to 600 px of vertical resolution. It might seem stupid, but the 168 makes a huge difference.)

I'm looking forward to the announcement of the full specs and -- most importantly -- the price of the Booklet at the start of September. As you say, though, it probably will be far from cheap. (I'm betting £400+ in the UK.)
     
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Well don't know if this was mentioned but the iTunes that comes with the supposed GM 10.6 is the only app that isn't 64bit. I assume that is coming sept 9th

I'm praying they re-wrote shitty iTunes while they were at it too.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Well don't know if this was mentioned but the iTunes that comes with the supposed GM 10.6 is the only app that isn't 64bit. I assume that is coming sept 9th

I'm praying they re-wrote shitty iTunes while they were at it too.
Neither is DVD Player, Podcast Capture, or Grapher.
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As soon as this will come out I'll be getting David Pogue's missing manual:

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Originally Posted by DCJ001 View Post
But, now, it's not free shipping unless you add at least $0.01 more to the bill.
Free shipping was so slow, I cancelled my order.

I will go by an Apple Store on Fr. and be done with it. The couple of bucks more are worth not having to wait another week.

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Originally Posted by 64stang06 View Post
Neither is DVD Player, Podcast Capture, or Grapher.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Ya but you'd think apples most used program would be the first to be upgraded
Very true. Just pointing out that iTunes wasn't the last to become 64bit
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Originally Posted by FireWire View Post
US upgrade: 29$
CDN upgrade: 35$

according to current rate, it should be more like 31$ but anyway... *kof* rip-off!
Umm, no.

According to Google $35 Canadian is $32.26 US. So the markup is actually 11%. Hardly a rip-off.

FTR, the markup in Europe is around 19%.
     
 
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