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pbook7777
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Jun 28, 2004, 08:55 PM
 
Steve mentioned dual 30" Displays in the keynote, do they run off
the single card with cable splitters or is there something else I need
to order? Also should I be able to use this card with quad 1600x1200
regular flat panels (slightly less resolution but already have them) ?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:00 PM
 
turns out me and eugene where wrong.

each of the 2 ports on the the super duper new vid card has "dualdvi" layer lines (blah) so basically each port's cable has twice the dvi lines to support the new hirez 30".

what this means is that the card will allow for 2 30" lcds on a g5...

great. now i need to make more money...
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:01 PM
 
Also should I be able to use this card with quad 1600x1200
regular flat panels (slightly less resolution but already have them) ? [/B]
how would you hook up 4 lcds? not unless they come out with a splitter for each line (which is really a dual line)
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:13 PM
 
The matrox and nvda quad monitor cards use 2 ports with a special
splitter cable on each port to feed 4 monitors, I was wondering if this
was the same deal. Wasn't clear from the web page or keynote... I guess
you only get 64MB/display though.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:20 PM
 
In all honesty, what type of applications require dual 30's?

Even my catalog production folk don't need that much canvas. Does 3D take up that much real estate?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:36 PM
 
I do 3D as a hobby, and only a hobby (not very good at it, really). Dual 30" would put me in heaven, and I can assure you I'd use all the space and still be able to find a reason for more. Dual 30" isn't necessary at all, but it would make for a much more streamlined process. From the video editing that I've done, I can see how all that real estate could be used there, too.
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:42 PM
 
Originally posted by pbook7777:
The matrox and nvda quad monitor cards use 2 ports with a special
splitter cable on each port to feed 4 monitors, I was wondering if this
was the same deal. Wasn't clear from the web page or keynote... I guess
you only get 64MB/display though.
cool.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 09:48 PM
 
LMAO, dual 30" displays... I only have one television bigger than 30"!
Be happy.
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 12:20 AM
 
30 inch screens is overkill for most thing, honestly 23 is the most you need for anything.
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 12:44 AM
 
Originally posted by TheDeathman:
30 inch screens is overkill for most thing, honestly 23 is the most you need for anything.
I agree... I love my 23" and I could only think of one thing better. Dual 23"s. However, I just think the 30" is ghastly in size.
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 01:52 AM
 
Originally posted by TheDeathman:
30 inch screens is overkill for most thing, honestly 23 is the most you need for anything.
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Jun 29, 2004, 03:08 AM
 
Originally posted by pbook7777:
Steve mentioned dual 30" Displays in the keynote, do they run off
the single card with cable splitters or is there something else I need
to order?
You need a shitload of money.

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Jun 29, 2004, 11:41 AM
 
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did i win?

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did i win?

5-6-23-66-23-1

man one of these lotto numbers HAS to work... then i'll just have them forward the check to the nearest apple store.
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 12:05 PM
 
I got some pics of the dual 30" system on display here at WWDC. I also got a pic of the innards of the G5 with a GeForce 6800. Here
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 12:36 PM
 
thank you for posting the pictures.

i think judging from the images, the 30 inch might be too big for a home desktop.

i was considering breaking the bank on the 30 but i think i will quit functional with the 23 for a while.

on your last pic of displays with the powebooks, the chords look distracting to the point of annoying.

i can't wait to see them in person.

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Jun 29, 2004, 02:14 PM
 
I know people who could use dual 30"s.

People doing audio for starters. You could have all the windows to the programs open, and a whole bunch of plugins/instruments open at the same time.

More real estate space is a good thing. And for those people saying 23" is all you need, then fine, you keep your 23"s, and don't drool too much when you see somebody with a single or dual 30" setup.

     
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Jun 29, 2004, 02:39 PM
 
Hey, more power to you if you can use a 30" screen. Personally, the old 21" CRT Apple used to sell still looks way too huge to me.

Then again, 17" was large back when I had my Blueberry iMac, and now 17" is standard... is this some kind of monitor inflation?
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 03:00 PM
 
Dual 23" would suit me fine. At the cost of 30" (with the video card) you could buy an arsenal of Apple products and still have money left over.
     
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Jun 29, 2004, 03:35 PM
 
I wonder what res you could get on your pair of 30"s if you did this with the Mac version:

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...1fM18yX2wuanBn

http://www.hardocp.com/articleprint.html?article_id=633
     
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Yeah, Audio Heaven. (slow link)

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Jun 29, 2004, 06:50 PM
 
Originally posted by osxisfun:
how would you hook up 4 lcds? not unless they come out with a splitter for each line (which is really a dual line)
on os 8.1 you could have as many displays as you had graphics cards installed on the g5 this means 8 30 inchers
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 01:11 AM
 
You couldn't have 8 30 inchers cause you only have 1 AGP slot.
     
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Jul 1, 2004, 09:35 PM
 
yeah right now but this is just the first graphics card to support the displays so I expect pci-x compatible cards.
     
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Jul 1, 2004, 11:27 PM
 
You would need PCI-e slots to do that. The current G5s only sport PCI-x slots (though I'm sure we'll see PCI-e in the next revision).
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Jul 1, 2004, 11:30 PM
 
I have a Samsung 213T and it seems like too much for a home desktop...that 30" would dwarf this thing, and overkill would turn to buzzkill.
     
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Jul 4, 2004, 07:42 AM
 
How are you supposed to actually see them?!

You'd need to work at the other end of the hall...

And I think we can all identify the users who will need these screens: The flashy b**tards with piles of disposable income.
     
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Jul 4, 2004, 09:44 AM
 
Originally posted by drissa:
How are you supposed to actually see them?!

You'd need to work at the other end of the hall...

And I think we can all identify the users who will need these screens: The flashy b**tards with piles of disposable income.
Actually, Drissa, instead of working far away from the gargantuan 30" monitor, one should work as close to it as possible. That way it's like sitting in the front couple of rows for a 70mm film (like Star Wars or Ben Hur). Your entire peripheral vision could be filled up with desktop! It'd be an immersive experience!

It'd be iMac meets Imax!
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Jul 4, 2004, 11:16 AM
 
Star Wars was on 70mm? I thought 35mm had been the standard for much longer than 30 years....
     
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Jul 4, 2004, 11:41 AM
 
Originally posted by Waragainstsleep:
Star Wars was on 70mm? I thought 35mm had been the standard for much longer than 30 years....
Yah, whatever. Star Wars, Ben Hur, they're all the same. Star Wars has got Wookies... Ben Hur has lepers... anyone can make that mistake. While I claim I strive for accuracy in everything I do, the truth is accuracy is far too much work!

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Jul 4, 2004, 11:58 AM
 
You're not entirely inaccurate. ILM went around L.A. buying really old cinecameras (I thought they were 40 or 45mm, but they could be 70mm, I just don't remember) which they used to shoot all the 'dogfight' SFX shots of X-Wings etc.
Halfway through the 90s, ILM used to say they didn't think they could do effects like that again for the next trilogy, simply because the cameras were rare when they got them in '77, but there are practically none left now.

So even if the mugs of Hamill Ford and Fisher were recorded on 35mm, big chunks of the film weren't.
     
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Jul 4, 2004, 12:10 PM
 
Originally posted by Rev-O:
Actually, Drissa, instead of working far away from the gargantuan 30" monitor, one should work as close to it as possible. That way it's like sitting in the front couple of rows for a 70mm film (like Star Wars or Ben Hur). Your entire peripheral vision could be filled up with desktop! It'd be an immersive experience!

It'd be iMac meets Imax!
yeah its better to be close because you couldn't see anything if you were far away because of the pixal density.
     
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Jul 5, 2004, 02:53 AM
 
The original SW movies didn't use 70mm, but VistaVision, which runs a 35mm film horizontally to get larger frames.

Even if you used more, it'd still be regular "cheap" 35mm film stock and dev process, but with larger rez. Printing required spesific gear, though.

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Jul 5, 2004, 05:57 AM
 
I could easily use a 30" My mom's 19" is too small at 1280x960. I am visually impaired (legally blind) and having a 30" would be excellent. Pump the fonts to 16 and I would have enough space to work. Would be excellent for viewing 3000x2008 photo's from my D70,

What's the aspect ratio of the 30" 16:9?
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I think its a little less than 16:9, more than 4:3.
Its 1.6:1, whatever the standard way of writing that is.
     
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Jul 5, 2004, 07:11 AM
 
One 30 would be perfect for graphic design, but I could see someone doing newspaper or magazine layout and using a dual 30" setup.

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Jul 5, 2004, 10:44 AM
 
Originally posted by Waragainstsleep:
I think its a little less than 16:9, more than 4:3.
Its 1.6:1, whatever the standard way of writing that is.
I was under the (mis)impression that the 30" was going to be a true 16:9 (well, that was according to the rumor mills, so I should not put much faith there).

So it's 16:10 (or 8:5 or 1.6:1 or even 0.8:0.5). Isn't that the same aspect of the 23"?
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Jul 5, 2004, 01:47 PM
 
More Pics Here

One of 'em uses iPhoto to give you a really good idea of just how much real estate you're getting with a 30" screen.
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Jul 5, 2004, 07:43 PM
 
Originally posted by osxisfun:
each of the 2 ports on the the super duper new vid card has "dualdvi" layer lines (blah) so basically each port's cable has twice the dvi lines to support the new hirez 30".
That's "Dual Link DVI".

The DVI connector was designed from the beginning for dual link DVI. Most graphics cards and displays use only single link DVI, so 1/2 the pins in the connector go unused.

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So what would happen if I pluged in, say, another 17" or 20" monitor into the other DVI port in this 6800 card?
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Originally posted by UnixMac:
So what would happen if I pluged in, say, another 17" or 20" monitor into the other DVI port in this 6800 card?
It should work I guess. Why not?

DVI screens work with the 6800, VGA with the dongle as well.

The card supports DDL, it doesn't require dual DVI monitors.
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Reasons to buy a 30" display:

1) The G5 somewhat dwarfs the 20" and 23" displays, but when a 30" display is parked next to a G5 it makes the G5 case seem not so honkin' big! It's a matter of visual balance!

What other reasons do you need?
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Originally posted by Rev-O:
Reasons to buy a 30" display:

1) The G5 somewhat dwarfs the 20" and 23" displays, but when a 30" display is parked next to a G5 it makes the G5 case seem not so honkin' big! It's a matter of visual balance!

What other reasons do you need?
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Jul 12, 2004, 01:06 PM
 
I would love the 30 for doing audio work on protools, of course anything would be better than the 15" I am using right now . If I had enough money there would be one on my desk asap.
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I dont understand how someone can have an awesome computer with a crap screen. Its like driving a Porsche with a 8 inch windshield you can barely see the road with and no mirrors. Monitors should be a HUGE priority, not just performance. Just the gains made in productivity by moving to a new monitor far exceed any money saved by putting it into a higher performance machine.
     
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Originally posted by SafariX:
[BJust the gains made in productivity by moving to a new monitor far exceed any money saved by putting it into a higher performance machine. [/B]
True, but discussing dual 30s are a little bit different.

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Originally posted by Thinine:
I got some pics of the dual 30" system on display here at WWDC[...]
Hmm, they actually make the G5 look...small.
     
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Okay, okay... enough shameless fawning over the 30"ers. Market research time.
How many folks are going to spring for a $3200 display and the required $600 video card?

...or am I the only fool?
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Originally posted by Rev-O:

...or am I the only fool?
O... i remember the day when i spent $800 for 64mb of RAM.

     
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Originally posted by boardsurfer:
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