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rotuts · Mar 24, 2005, 01:36 PM

hello
a while ago I was interested in roation of displayes. I was told that the OEM cards in the mac do not suport this and they had to be retail box.

i ended up getting the samsung 24 " it was 200$ less than apples and I love it.

I found this today; it takes a while to load and the article is in the middle with a screenshot of OS 10.4 and display it seems to indicate roation.:

http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu....005-03-24#3802

what do you think?

rotut

arekkusu · Mar 24, 2005, 02:08 PM

I think you should send Apple feedback saying that you really want this feature.

rotuts · Mar 24, 2005, 03:14 PM

it seems we are going to get it.

rotut

RevEvs · Mar 24, 2005, 03:21 PM

sweet - but now i'll be wishing i bought the 24" samsung... i remember not getting it as it didnt swivel.. well due to os x

akuma-x · Mar 24, 2005, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by rotuts:
hello
a while ago I was interested in roation of displayes. I was told that the OEM cards in the mac do not suport this and they had to be retail box.

i ended up getting the samsung 24 " it was 200$ less than apples and I love it.

I found this today; it takes a while to load and the article is in the middle with a screenshot of OS 10.4 and display it seems to indicate roation.:

http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu....005-03-24#3802

what do you think?

rotut

Quote from the page you linked...
"Some professional users were waiting for years for such a device. It will not be necessary anymore to invest into a Radeon graphic card to enjoy rotating your display the way you want it."

So you might be right.

lexhair · Mar 25, 2005, 09:50 AM

I'm going to move to Tiger much quicker than I moved to Panther if it supports display rotation natively.

C.J. Moof · Mar 25, 2005, 11:41 AM

Hopefully this will not just be for Cinema Displays. The Dell 20" Widescreens can rotate too, among others.

sworthy · Mar 25, 2005, 12:02 PM

It will not be necessary anymore to invest into a Radeon graphic card to enjoy rotating your display the way you want it."

So now a couple of questions:

1) Will this be compatible with *most* (core image supported perhaps) cards, or just a top few?

2) Is this a feature that needs hardware support as well as the software support in Tiger?

...now if my old ACD 20" didn't look so funky with it's legs sticking out when rotated...

jasong · Mar 26, 2005, 03:04 PM

I would suspect that this feature will not be tied to a particular display. In display preferences for 10.3 the title bar says the name of screen it is running, so the fact that this preview says Cinema HD Display doesn't mean that's all it will work on.

Also, I don't understand why screen rotation is a hardware feature, when I run MacMame, I can change the orientation of the screen image. I always thought of display rotation as a software feature.

RealMac · Mar 27, 2005, 02:27 AM

I too am of the crowd that believes this is a long since overdue feature. I mean if the hardware can support this, why not just implement it. My display isn't widescreen, but it would be nice to have 1200 x 1600 for reading long documents.

a holck · 07:47 AM

ATI's newest drivers for their X800 and 9800 Mac cards have a hardware acclerated rotating option called VERSAVISION�, you can use now in 10.3 if you like.
Looks like this

And you can get a VESA rotation mount like this that will fit a cinema display

cthree · Mar 27, 2005, 08:09 PM

My 20" Cinema display doesn't rotate (I know, I just looked at it) so how is 10.4 going to magically make it swivel 90 degrees?

Am I missing something I should have read in the manual I should have read?

CorduroyBoy · Mar 27, 2005, 09:29 PM

Won't this mess-up sub-pixel rendering? -> because the bars of red, green, and blue are stacked differently.

rotuts · Mar 27, 2005, 09:55 PM

CT: I just think he put it on its side.

rotut

jasong · Mar 28, 2005, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by CorduroyBoy:
Won't this mess-up sub-pixel rendering? -> because the bars of red, green, and blue are stacked differently.

Since subpixel rendering is also a software feature, they hopefully will include an interface for changing the orientation.On Win XP, you can download a utility from MS that allows you to do this (I use it for my Tablet since I need to change the orientation frequently). Of course Apple could once again do them one better by automatically changing the subpixel rendering algorithm to meet the screen orientation, rather than leaving it as a manual process.

slugslugslug · Mar 28, 2005, 09:32 AM

Any, display, eh? I can just imagine the looks I'll get in the coffeeshops with a folding bluetooth keyboard and my powerbook propped up on its side..

ctj · Apr 26, 2005, 01:41 AM

Ok, I've got 10.4, a PMG4 DP, a Radeon 9000 and a Dell 20" 2005FPW that rotates. I don't see this as an option in the Displays pref. Anyone out there see differently?

Nexus5 · Apr 26, 2005, 02:12 AM

Press ctrl+alt+apple while opening the Monitors controlpanel.

nexus5.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 26, 2005, 04:18 AM

Sorry. No dice for PowerBooks. I checked.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 26, 2005, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nexus5

Press ctrl+alt+apple while opening the Monitors controlpanel.

nexus5.

Why? Nothing happens.

tinycat · Apr 26, 2005, 04:32 AM

works on my 1ghz titanium...

Drakino · Apr 26, 2005, 06:50 AM

10.4 - Powerbook 15 inch 1.25ghz - External CRT attached - Rotation option in Display System Preference

jocker · Apr 26, 2005, 07:04 AM

works on my Powerbook G4 15" 1.33ghz - NO display attached.

Note that you have to quit system prefs and reload it after changing rotation, otherwise pressing Ctrl Alt Apple whilst clicking monitors does nothing.

zerostar · Apr 26, 2005, 07:10 AM

On my G5, with a Radeon 9600 the option is there (no key press required). with the Geforce 5200 the option is gone.

ctj · Apr 26, 2005, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nexus5

Press ctrl+alt+apple while opening the Monitors controlpanel.

nexus5.

Hmmm... doesn't work for me either. I guess I'll stick with the ATI Displays panel that lets me rotate.

Really odd, though...

servo · Apr 26, 2005, 11:46 AM

ctrl+alt+apple while opening System Preferences is what does it I think.

Anyway, works for me on a 1.5 GHz. 15" PowerBook. Very cool.

rotuts · Apr 26, 2005, 12:22 PM

well very interesting. just to make things clear: you only get the rotation with 10.4? NOT 10.3.x? and it may be for all cards with 10.4? ( ie someonw got it with NO 2d monitor connected?)

just to clear up.

in 10.3.6 nothing happens with ctrl+alt+apple, monitors does not open nor does sys prefs.

thanks rotuts

reactor · Apr 26, 2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by cthree

My 20" Cinema display doesn't rotate (I know, I just looked at it) so how is 10.4 going to magically make it swivel 90 degrees?

Am I missing something I should have read in the manual I should have read?

here some more on this feature

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofivers...p/t300444.html

Great thing to have this, finaly

rotuts · Apr 26, 2005, 01:08 PM

this is the ref I saw that made me start the thread. I guess its 10.4 +/- certain video cards.

agentz · Apr 26, 2005, 04:15 PM

I've got 10.4 running on a G4 iBook 800 and just did the ctrl+alt+apple modifier when opening Display system prefs and it gave me the rotation option. I rotated my display through 90� which was an interesting experience, because I just could not get my head round how to co-ordinate what I was seeing with trackpad movements.

But then the panic set in. I clicked the show all button and held the modifiers and reselected the Displays button and there was no rotation option!.

Found that I had to quit System Prefs then open it again to get the rotate option back again. Thought I was going to be stuck holding my iBook at a weird angle for a moment there!

bluesloth · Apr 26, 2005, 05:59 PM

" I just could not get my head round how to co-ordinate what I was seeing with trackpad movements."

I also tried the trick on my powerbook. I thought it would be easy to adjust to using the trackpad differently. Nope. Very difficult.

Nice to know that this option exists, although I doubt I will use it much, if ever.

ctj · Apr 26, 2005, 08:52 PM

I guess I need to upgrade to some new hardware. I can't get this to work on my TiBook G4 (400 MHz), nor my PMG4 DP 450.

jocker · Apr 27, 2005, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by agentz

I've got 10.4 running on a G4 iBook 800 and just did the ctrl+alt+apple modifier when opening Display system prefs and it gave me the rotation option. I rotated my display through 90� which was an interesting experience, because I just could not get my head round how to co-ordinate what I was seeing with trackpad movements.

But then the panic set in. I clicked the show all button and held the modifiers and reselected the Displays button and there was no rotation option!.

Found that I had to quit System Prefs then open it again to get the rotate option back again. Thought I was going to be stuck holding my iBook at a weird angle for a moment there!

You should have read my earlier post about this!

mmurray · Apr 30, 2005, 04:18 AM

Nothing on a 12" Rev 2 PB with 10.4 ? Seems kind of strange if it works on an iBook. Do you need an external monitor connected ?
Michael

tuamigo · Apr 30, 2005, 05:04 AM

mmurray,

I have the same setup as you. Rotation does not work, regardless of an external monitor. I've tried to get this rotation feature to work with a second monitor(syncmaster 173t) via dvi and vga, nothing works. After doing lots of google searches, I think the problem has to do with the particular video card in our powerbooks.

-tuamigo

Thorin · Apr 30, 2005, 06:19 AM

No joy on a 12" Rev B here either. Does look like we just can't do it!