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Apr 19, 2005, 02:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
To be honest, if we attended a Catholic church I'd be afraid to leave my son in a room alone with a priest. I'm 100% serious. It's sad, but true.
But you would leave him with alone with a Mormon, Baptist or Presbyterian ?

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:07 PM
 
shouldn't this topic be in a religious forum?
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
To be honest, if we attended a Catholic church I'd be afraid to leave my son in a room alone with a priest. I'm 100% serious. It's sad, but true.
If you allow me to be honest, Cody, you suffer under some extreme reality distortion. And I'm 100% serious too. You probably watch too much TV or something.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by cruciarius
shouldn't this topic be in a religious forum?
Amen brother - err, uhm ... aaah damn, never mind.



     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:30 PM
 
considering the political impact of HH Jean-Paul II
i wonder,
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:32 PM
 
I really can't believe that even in a thread about the new pope MacNN idiots make a connection to WWII and Hitler just because he's German!! You guys are sooo retarded!
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:38 PM
 
Who's Jean-Paul? Is that like Jean-Luc? That would be a cool pope name, Pope Jean-Luc II. "Make it so, No. 1"

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by badidea
I really can't believe that even in a thread about the new pope MacNN idiots make a connection to WWII and Hitler just because he's German!! You guys are sooo retarded!
I hope you aren't trolling and are just misinformed, but Ratzinger�s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.
     
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bad idea is almost always trolling.

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by badidea
I really can't believe that even in a thread about the new pope MacNN idiots make a connection to WWII and Hitler just because he's German!! You guys are sooo retarded!
The connection is very real, but rather in Ratzinger's favor.
From wikipedia:

When Ratzinger turned 14 in 1941, he was required by law to join the Hitler Youth, but according to his biographer John Allen he was not an enthusiastic member. He requested to be taken off the rolls and reportedly refused to attend a single meeting. In 1943, at the age of 16 he was, along with the rest of his class, drafted into the Flak or anti-aircraft corps, responsible for the guarding of a BMW plant outside Munich. He was then sent for basic infantry training and was posted to Hungary, where he worked setting up anti-tank defences until fleeing in April 1944 (an offense punishable by death).
So, here's something positive about the new pope: He's not a nazi
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:45 PM
 
TETENAL: You have no clue about my life experiences - or a friend's child who was molested by a priest and is still seeing a shrink.

Like I said before, don't be so judgemental.

Or, be judgemental AFTER you know ALL of the facts. I live in an area where no less than 5 priests have been reported and removed in the last 10 years (that we know of) because of sexual molestation of boys. So, yeah, it sticks in my mind.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:48 PM
 
Cody, how many boys have been molested by men who aren't priests in your area?

You shouldn't be so judgmental either.

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:52 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
"The FOURTH REICH!"



Yes, I heard the thing about him governing over the pedophilia priests on the news. To be honest, if we attended a Catholic church I'd be afraid to leave my son in a room alone with a priest. I'm 100% serious. It's sad, but true.





as opposed to leaving your 15 year old daughter in a room alone with Bill Clinton?
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
Cody, how many boys have been molested by men who aren't priests in your area?

You shouldn't be so judgmental either.
Randman, would you not agree that a priest might be held to a higher standard? Hence the disappointment and general distrust since the scandals rocked the church. This is less about being judgmental than cautious, I would think.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by LaGow
Randman, would you not agree that a priest might be held to a higher standard? Hence the disappointment and general distrust since the scandals rocked the church. This is less about being judgmental than cautious, I would think.

LaGow, would you not agree that a President might be held to a higher standard? Hence the disappointment and general distrust since the scandals that rocked the Clinton Administration. This is less about being judgemental than cautious, I would think.


     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
So, where does this dude sit in with all the soothsayers of doom? Isn't he supposed to be the penultimate pontiff?
Heh... St. Malachy said so. He supposedly saw the future and prophesized about all 112 popes between his time and the End Of Time. The trouble is: We're now on number 111.

Google yielded this:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...3/180901.shtml

The 111th prophecy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The meaning of the olive is unclear. The Order of Saint Benedict � not St. Malachy � has claimed that this pope will come from its ranks and Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its final fight against evil.

The 112th prophecy says, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.
note: this article (and St. Malachy's writings, of course...) was written before today, when the new pope decided to take the name "Benedict" to add fuel to this fire...

Then again, St. Malachy was Irish, which means that all his pronouncements were probalby heavily influenced by whiskey.

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
Cody, how many boys have been molested by men who aren't priests in your area?

You shouldn't be so judgmental either.
i don't get that...we shouldn't judge priests who molest boys because non priests also do it?

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:58 PM
 
Hmm, Order of Saint Benedict ... Benedict 16. Hmmm.

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Apr 19, 2005, 02:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by NYCFarmboy
LaGow, would you not agree that a President might be held to a higher standard? Hence the disappointment and general distrust since the scandals that rocked the Clinton Administration. This is less about being judgemental than cautious, I would think.


Red herring. We're talking about priests. Keep your facts straight.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 02:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777
But you would leave him with alone with a Mormon, Baptist or Presbyterian ?

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Or a Rabbi.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
Hmm, Order of Saint Benedict ... Benedict 16. Hmmm.
Yup. One of my co-workers says he doesn't care about Social Secutiry anymore, he's probably not going to need it.

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Apr 19, 2005, 03:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by ironknee
i don't get that...we shouldn't judge priests who molest boys because non priests also do it?
No, it means making a blanket statement such as that while telling someone else not to be "judgemental" seemed a bit hypocritical, imo.

As far as the priests who abused kids, I think they should be ex-communicated, flogged and hanged.

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Apr 19, 2005, 03:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
No, it means making a blanket statement such as that while telling someone else not to be "judgemental" seemed a bit hypocritical, imo.

As far as the priests who abused kids, I think they should be ex-communicated, flogged and hanged.
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:02 PM
 
Of course priests are held to a higher standard. That's why such cases draw media attention while dozens or hundreds of the same crime committed by regular people remain unreported. To suspect all priests of doing such things is severe reality distortion.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by waxcrash
I hope you aren't trolling and are just misinformed, but Ratzinger�s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.
Huh? I'm the last one to defend Ratzinger - but if you can name 3 people of the same age who weren't in the HJ, I'd be very, very surprised. Same thing goes for serving/not serving in the Reichsarmee during WW II.

My grandfather (he was an army cook in Norway, LOL) used to tell me stories about the pressure that was put on parents as well as their kids (young=HJ, late teens = army) to join these respective organizations. Unless you were extremely wealthy and/or influential, your chances of gettingawround that particular "Vaterlandspflicht" were exactly "zero".

In school, kids were taught to report their parents to party officials at their school if they saw them doing something "undeutsch" ("un-german"), e.g., secretly listening to enemy radio stations (= "BBC").

The Nazis were quite a bit slicker than you give them credit for.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
No, it means making a blanket statement such as that while telling someone else not to be "judgemental" seemed a bit hypocritical, imo.

As far as the priests who abused kids, I think they should be ex-communicated, flogged and hanged.
Heck, I'd just settle for prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I'm still trying to figure out why authorities are so timid about bringing charges, unless there's some weird statute of limitations thing going.
     
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Originally Posted by dreilly1
The 112th prophecy says, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.
So. if the next pope is an Italian who takes the name Peter, we're all

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Apr 19, 2005, 03:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
So. if the next pope is an Italian who takes the name Peter, we're all
According to that prophecy, I'd say it's gonna suck big time to be living in Rome when that time cometh - as for the rest, meh ...

     
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
Of course priests are held to a higher standard. That's why such cases draw media attention while dozens or hundreds of the same crime committed by regular people remain unreported. To suspect all priests of doing such things is severe reality distortion.
It comes down to trust. Those priests represent an institution. What they did damaged that institution's credibility and one has to wonder just how far it went. So I guess the question for many Catholics is and remains: do I trust my parish priest after what has been revealed over the last year or two? For most parishioners, I'm pretty sure that answer is "yes."

But for some, there is doubt. I don't see that as a distortion of reality. In fact I see regarding all parish preists as inherantly "safe" as turning a blind eye.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:27 PM
 
God bless Benedicto XVI. May he be granted the wisdom, kindness, courage and vision required.

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Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani
God bless Benedicto XVI. May he be granted the wisdom, kindness, courage and vision required.
Required for what?

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Originally Posted by Millennium
I'd love to see them opened, myself. My guess is that the problem is that nobody knows exactly what's in there, except that most of it dates back to antiquity. Most of the stuff in those archives hasn't been seen, much less touched, in hundreds of years, and without Papal approval they can't even start building a proper catalog for it all, much less actually open it. Nobody wants to start that project. Also, I'm forced to admit that no sane Pope would open the archives without at least having a general idea of what was in them first. No one wants to stumble upon some great classical work that the Church would then be blamed for suppressing. There's even a small but nonzero chance that some ultimate proof or disproof of Church teachings would be found there, and so it's not surprising that they woldn't want to look in there.
Wow, such courage in the Vatican.
I'm sorry, but that's appalling. Isn't their faith strong enough to overcome any "truths" that might be revealed in those archives? They don't deserve to have those archives.
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
Required for what?
To pass High School. Most priests are pretty dumb. I mean, does anyone actually believe Jesus could pass modern High school exams?
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 03:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
So. if the next pope is an Italian who takes the name Peter, we're all
His name will be Butros Butros Gali.

     
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Jesus was a carpenter. Don't need to be a rocket scientist but not a total idiot either.

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Apr 19, 2005, 03:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by Randman
Hmm, Order of Saint Benedict ... Benedict 16. Hmmm.
Again, how do they decide those saint names? Educate me, please. Someone, anyone
     
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Originally Posted by Randman
Jesus was a carpenter. Don't need to be a rocket scientist but not a total idiot either.
But...he's God and can walk on water...
     
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Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose
But...he's God and can walk on water...
Congrats on going "green". Actually, he'd be considered the son of God. A demi-god actually. And the water bit has nothing to do with anything else on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Randman
Required for what?
The responsibility he has chosen to shoulder.

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Smells funny. Where do you normally keep it?



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Originally Posted by ironknee
Unbelievable! It took 5 whole hours to get a Hitler-Ratzinger? I'm disappointed
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 04:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by E's Lil Theorem
Again, how do they decide those saint names? Educate me, please. Someone, anyone
They can pick any name they want or stick with their current name. Often they'll pick the name of someone who has their convictions or particular attributes, or take a name like Pious, etc. I believe there was only a few Popes that had to choose names because their given name was inappropriate such as Marcellus if memory serves me.
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Originally Posted by invisibleX
They can pick any name they want or stick with their current name. Often they'll pick the name of someone who has their convictions or particular attributes, or take a name like Pious, etc. I believe there was only a few Popes that had to choose names because their given name was inappropriate such as Marcellus if memory serves me.
Thanks! I find this insteresting, actually. If I have the time, I may read about it.
     
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Originally Posted by entrox
Unbelievable! It took 5 whole hours to get a Hitler-Ratzinger? I'm disappointed
i would have done it sooner but i was busy
     
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Apr 19, 2005, 04:47 PM
 
Habemus Papem.

and everyone on CNN will butcher this... but I can pronounce it properly (studying Latin)

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Originally Posted by waxcrash


Alfred E. Ratzinger ...
     
 
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