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cacarr1 · Sep 6, 2003, 11:03 AM

Here we go again...

benb · Sep 6, 2003, 11:16 AM

This build is GM.

MacGorilla · Sep 6, 2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by benb:
This build is GM.

Did they remove the Debug Code� yet?

iDriveX · Sep 6, 2003, 11:32 AM

uuuggghhh....Is it snappier?

Moose · Sep 6, 2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by benb:
This build is GM.

Neg.

Matt OS X · Sep 6, 2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Here we go again...

As expected!

I could tell that time's coming up closer and closer..

SYN · Sep 6, 2003, 12:45 PM

I know I ask this question for every single build... but do files created in the Terminal appear instantly in the Finder yet, or do you still have to clic on the concerned window/desktop?

Also, anyone know what the field at the bottom of search windows (live search in the window) that says "last sync: unknown" means? IIRC, it appeared in B44...

gorickey · Sep 6, 2003, 12:46 PM

I'm waiting for "Webscreamer" to post his usual "bug list"....

Webscreamer · Sep 6, 2003, 12:50 PM

HAHA!

I am watching US Open ;p I gotta download first... hopefully will get my hands on it soon!

Jonesy · Sep 6, 2003, 01:23 PM

Also, anyone know what the field at the bottom of search windows (live search in the window) that says "last sync: unknown" means? IIRC, it appeared in B44...

My guess would be that the sync has something to do with the synchronisation with iDisk which is supposed to happen when you mirror it on your HD.

aecheylon · Sep 6, 2003, 01:27 PM

In OS 9, if you had a document open, and changed the name of the folder that contained it, I seem to recall that the system was "smart" enough to know that its container had "moved". So, when you went to save the file, it didn't get all confused.

In Jaguar, doing the same thing you get an error message that it "cannot be saved" (presumably because the containing folder has "gone missing"). I'm basing this on working with TextEdit, BTW.

Is this something that has been addressed in Panther (or is this somehow related to the "new" way that Apple is doing things vis a vis file extensions and whatnot)? I suspect this might be related to other poster's questions about files created in terminal not appearing instantly on the desktop.

Zimphire · Sep 6, 2003, 02:05 PM

I wonder if the middle widget in the title bars is still screwed up.

SYN · Sep 6, 2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by aecheylon:
In OS 9, if you had a document open, and changed the name of the folder that contained it, I seem to recall that the system was "smart" enough to know that its container had "moved". So, when you went to save the file, it didn't get all confused.

In Jaguar, doing the same thing you get an error message that it "cannot be saved" (presumably because the containing folder has "gone missing"). I'm basing this on working with TextEdit, BTW.

Is this something that has been addressed in Panther (or is this somehow related to the "new" way that Apple is doing things vis a vis file extensions and whatnot)? I suspect this might be related to other poster's questions about files created in terminal not appearing instantly on the desktop.

Works fine in B44 (tried both TextEdit and Preview.

Anyone have the seednotes?

Agasthya · Sep 6, 2003, 03:01 PM

ThinkSecret is reporting that with this version you can upgrade previous OS X installations - so you no longer have to keep deleting installations to upgrade.

I guess its getting close to RC time.

gorickey · Sep 6, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
....I guess its getting close to RC time.

Well, Apple themselves said that in the last seed notes for B53....

coconut · Sep 6, 2003, 03:35 PM

Ok, this will go as a really dumb question, but I haven't been following the panther scene lately, and can't find a response to the following question in previous panther threads (maybe it's hidden between the snappiness and "remove the debug code" comments)...

1) If I install B53, can I update it with a more recent copy of Panter Beta ?

2) Will Software Update bring up to date my installation of Panther, e.g. are there any system updates available thru Software Update in the System Preferences (probably not) ?

Moose · Sep 6, 2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by coconut:
1) If I install B53, can I update it with a more recent copy of Panter Beta ?

Bad idea.

2) Will Software Update bring up to date my installation of Panther, e.g. are there any system updates available thru Software Update in the System Preferences (probably not) ?

No.

Taipan · Sep 6, 2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
ThinkSecret is reporting that with this version you can upgrade previous OS X installations - so you no longer have to keep deleting installations to upgrade.

Hi!

For me this has also worked with previous builds. I accidentally installed 7B49 on the wrong drive and updated my Jaguar system (10.2.6).

parsec_kadets · Sep 6, 2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by coconut:
Ok, this will go as a really dumb question, but I haven't been following the panther scene lately, and can't find a response to the following question in previous panther threads (maybe it's hidden between the snappiness and "remove the debug code" comments)...

1) If I install B53, can I update it with a more recent copy of Panter Beta ?

2) Will Software Update bring up to date my installation of Panther, e.g. are there any system updates available thru Software Update in the System Preferences (probably not) ?

Why are you even asking this? If you have legal access to Panther then you would know the answer. You could 1) try Software Update and see what happens or 2) read the seed note, which would would answer your question. If you don't have legal access then why do you care? If you're using a pirated version of Panther and you try to use Software Update then you're a moron because Apple could have put something in there to track you without your knowing.

cacarr1 · Sep 6, 2003, 09:32 PM

Cool new Panther desktop...find it here!

gorickey · Sep 6, 2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Cool new Panther desktop...find it here!

Nice!

jessejlt · Sep 6, 2003, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Cool new Panther desktop...find it here!

That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

gorickey · Sep 6, 2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

And how do you view the one Apple included with Jaguar then?

suthercd · Sep 6, 2003, 11:03 PM

Geez, that is one weird coblled up image...that is not an apple desktop. Community??? Cumon...at least get the terminology right.

Craig

iFix Rene · Sep 6, 2003, 11:57 PM

Maybe the previous poster did not use
Textedit coz if I make a Textedit file and save it in
folder 'test' then add text to the document,
then rename folder 'test' to 'test 1'... I can
not save the document.
( error: folder 'test' is not writable)
If i do the same with Photoshop for instance
I can save just fine, so it seems more a bug
in Textedit then in the OS.

quote:
Originally posted by aecheylon:
In OS 9, if you had a document open, and changed the name of the folder that contained
it, I seem to recall that the system was "smart" enough to know that its container had
"moved". So, when you went to save the file, it didn't get all confused.

In Jaguar, doing the same thing you get an error message that it "cannot be saved"
(presumably because the containing folder has "gone missing"). I'm basing this on
working with TextEdit, BTW.

Is this something that has been addressed in Panther (or is this somehow related to the
"new" way that Apple is doing things vis a vis file extensions and whatnot)? I suspect this
might be related to other poster's questions
about files created in terminal not appearing instantly on the desktop.

Works fine in B44 (tried both TextEdit and Preview.

Anyone have the seednotes?

iFix Rene · Sep 7, 2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I wonder if the middle widget in the title bars is still screwed up.

It is not the middle one but the red (close)
one that was screwed up.

Webscreamer · Sep 7, 2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
It is not the middle one but the red (close)
one that was screwed up.

They both were...

In Graphite appearance this is the problem:

And in the normal Blue appearance this is the problem:

NOTE: Images above were from 7B53
BTW: When I get 7B59, I will update my bug list and upload.

coconut · Sep 7, 2003, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by parsec_kadets:
Why are you even asking this? If you have legal access to Panther then you would know the answer. You could 1) try Software Update and see what happens or 2) read the seed note, which would would answer your question. If you don't have legal access then why do you care? If you're using a pirated version of Panther and you try to use Software Update then you're a moron because Apple could have put something in there to track you without your knowing.

Ok... there was no point of attacking me.

If you read my signature, you would have noticed that I'm a Campus Rep for Apple. The Sales Executive for my campus asked me if I was interested in getting access to Panther, because she would actually have to do some paperwork for that to ha ppen. Of course, I haven't read the seed note yet, because I don't have copy in front of me.

parsec_kadets · Sep 7, 2003, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by coconut:

Ok... there was no point of attacking me.

If you read my signature, you would have noticed that I'm a Campus Rep for Apple. The Sales Executive for my campus asked me if I was interested in getting access to Panther, because she would actually have to do some paperwork for that to ha ppen. Of course, I haven't read the seed note yet, because I don't have copy in front of me.

Like I said to you in private, I'm very sorry for the misunderstanding. I hope the paperwork doesn't take too long to go through.

CharlesS · Sep 7, 2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by aecheylon:
In OS 9, if you had a document open, and changed the name of the folder that contained it, I seem to recall that the system was "smart" enough to know that its container had "moved". So, when you went to save the file, it didn't get all confused.

In Jaguar, doing the same thing you get an error message that it "cannot be saved" (presumably because the containing folder has "gone missing"). I'm basing this on working with TextEdit, BTW.

Is this something that has been addressed in Panther (or is this somehow related to the "new" way that Apple is doing things vis a vis file extensions and whatnot)? I suspect this might be related to other poster's questions about files created in terminal not appearing instantly on the desktop.

This is because TextEdit is a Cocoa app, and therefore it uses pathnames to refer to files rather than FSRefs. Now, with many Cocoa apps, this is not an issue, since they use NSDocument, which uses FSRefs under the hood. However, TextEdit predates NSDocument, and therefore doesn't use it. The comments in the source code do mention that they plan to eventually move it to using NSDocument, so whenever that happens, if it does happen, TextEdit will track moving files.

Stradlater · Sep 7, 2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

It's better quality than the default jaggy one

calumr · Sep 7, 2003, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
However, TextEdit predates NSDocument, and therefore doesn't use it.

Wow - I can't believe they haven't done this yet. NSDocument has been around for a bit, and it's not like TextEdit is a big application. Not to mention the fact that it is used as sample code, you'd think it would be implemented using the recommended techniques.

WJMoore · Sep 7, 2003, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by calumr:
Wow - I can't believe they haven't done this yet. NSDocument has been around for a bit, and it's not like TextEdit is a big application. Not to mention the fact that it is used as sample code, you'd think it would be implemented using the recommended techniques.

TextEdit like many OS X apps (Mail, Process Viewer to name two) started off as a NeXt app. This is probably why it doesn't follow the presently recommended techniques. (I'm not saying that NeXt didn't have NSDocument though...)

bgmccollum · Sep 7, 2003, 08:03 AM

Bluetooth Mouse Bezel

Bluetooth Keyboard Bezel

Ajar G5 Door Bezel

Grrr · Sep 7, 2003, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by bgmccollum:
Bluetooth Mouse Bezel

Bluetooth Keyboard Bezel

Ajar G5 Door Bezel

Are these somehow different in 7B59? I don't see the significance..

LightWaver-67 · Sep 7, 2003, 08:51 AM

some of us have never seen those before... First-time for me.

Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

KidRed · Sep 7, 2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

Agree it's not Apple's, but it's not too bad.

bastion · Sep 7, 2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
some of us have never seen those before... First-time for me.

Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

"Connection lost..."

ambush · Sep 7, 2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by calumr:
Wow - I can't believe they haven't done this yet. NSDocument has been around for a bit, and it's not like TextEdit is a big application. Not to mention the fact that it is used as sample code, you'd think it would be implemented using the recommended techniques.

TextEdit is a relatively big app...

cacarr1 · Sep 7, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by KidRed:
Agree it's not Apple's, but it's not too bad.

Just for the record...I think it is Apple's. We'll just have to wait and see though.

- - e r i k - - · Sep 7, 2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
some of us have never seen those before... First-time for me.

Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

It's assumed that these show when it detects Apple's new Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse.

gorickey · Sep 7, 2003, 12:12 PM

I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

Zimphire · Sep 7, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

Hmm, something wrong with the build?

Art Vandelay · Sep 7, 2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

No, it's still there.

iFix Rene · 02:43 PM

Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

Just as you can disconnect a wired mouse
or keyboard you can also disconnect a wireless
mouse or keyboard.
So it comes up on connect and disconnect,
to give feedback as you do not have a phy-
sical plug to give feedback.

kokosnootje · Sep 7, 2003, 02:40 PM

I see a lot of talk about this release but hardly any feedback from anybody that has this build actualy installed. I'm not a ADC Premier member so I'm waiting for someone who is to give quality feedback about this build.
Please tell us how it compares to the previous ones.
The fact that with each build the sources for non ADC members to download copies seem to dry up are probably a good sign. Real developers are probably able to actualy get work done with these builds and are less interested in spending time to share these builds. But us less devine still want to know what's up. Please tell...

iFix Rene · Sep 7, 2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Just for the record...I think it is Apple's. We'll just have to wait and see though.

I for one have not seen it in any 10.3 build

the new 10.2 default was in the DP's from
the start. (for example)

maybe it is in B59 but
it seems a joke/hoax

Art Vandelay · Sep 7, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
I for one have not seen it in any 10.3 build

the new 10.2 default was in the DP's from
the start. (for example)

maybe it is in B59 but
it seems a joke/hoax

It's real. It was added in 7b59.

iFix Rene · Sep 7, 2003, 03:52 PM

ah ok

still not wild about it though
the style is very 10.1-ish
(like default pic in 10.1)

dr. zoidberg · Sep 7, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

i kinda like it. it reminds me of some other desktop picture i used to have on my trusty old pismo for quite a long time...