[MOTHERWELL]

I realize that there are many albums that are breaking the $9.99/Album rule, but I am pretty much sick of it. I was excited to get the new BB album, but when I saw the price, I was put off.

It's not the fact that it is $4 more, its the )*$#)(*#$ Labels and musix execs who think they can get away with this. Greedy bastards. I hope I am not alone on this.

[OB1]

you'd expect a bit better from them wouldn't you? What with all their "free Tibet" chanting and stuff... I suppose they're getting their retirement fund together. Does it include extra dvd type stuff?

[mitchell_pgh]

Sad, just sad... I'm wondering if they have much of a say about stuff like that?

IBg

[gorickey]

I'm waiting for iTMS to start charging for shipping...

[daimoni]

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[MOTHERWELL]

Originally posted by gorickey:
I'm waiting for iTMS to start charging for shipping...

$8.99 for broadband delivery, only $4.99 for 56k


I just went to Border's to pick up a book and I got the CD for $12.99. I didn't check what it came to after tax. Even if it's a little more, I have something physical to show for it now


MR. GIANT RECORD LABEL MAN.

P.S. I also got a CD by 'Killers' for $7.99, also cheaper than iTMS.

[mitchell_pgh]

Does the real CD have DRM?

You have got to be kidding me. I was thinking about picking it up this week, but now I'm rethinking that whole idea.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

I just bought the REAL CD for $11.99 CAN (about $8.99 US) which comes with a free second disk with a video.

Yes the CD is copy protected but you can still rip and burn it on a Mac for some reason. I just copied a bunch for my friends.

Apple charging $14.85 US for the download with limited use and is a ****ing JOKE and exactly why I don't care that they don't have an iTMS in Canada.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I just bought the REAL CD for $11.99 CAN (about $8.99 US) which comes with a free second disk with a video.

Yes the CD is copy protected but you can still rip and burn it on a Mac for some reason. I just copied a bunch for my friends.

Apple charging $14.85 US for the download with limited use and is a ****ing JOKE and exactly why I don't care that they don't have an iTMS in Canada.

What are they thinking?

Other then the "annoyance" of having to move from my computer to buy the disk, there is zero advantage over a regular CD.

And Steve wonders why they didn't get 100 million. He is shooting blanks!
- Our computers will be 50% faster by next year.
- We will sell 100 million songs

[Busemann]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:

And Steve wonders why they didn't get 100 million. He is shooting blanks!
- Our computers will be 50% faster by next year.
- We will sell 100 million songs

Oh well, if there is one thing we shouldn't complain about it's Steves openness

[daimoni]

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[MOTHERWELL]

I don't know there was such a backlash towards iTMS.

Since we are the people who spend a good portion of our disposable income on APPLE products, is there anything we can do?

[daimoni]

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[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by MOTHERWELL:
I don't know there was such a backlash towards iTMS.

Since we are the people who spend a good portion of our disposable income on APPLE products, is there anything we can do?

It's not for everyone. I'm glad it's there, but honestly... it's a compromise over a standard MP3 without DRM.

[nredman]

Originally posted by gorickey:
I'm waiting for iTMS to start charging for shipping...

i wonder how much overnight will be

[gorickey]

Originally posted by nredman:
i wonder how much overnight will be

Eleventy-billion� dollars...

[Socially Awkward Solo]

So is iTMS for the lazy or stupid?

[daimoni]

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[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by daimoni:
I broke down and went to Tower Records because they were sellin' it for $11.99 today.

Just encoded it. I haven't noticed any DRM action... so I intend to make sure my friends can hear it.

If you burn a copy with toast just extract the songs from the second disk image that shows up and then re-burn it. Then it will be free of the copy protection crap.

Strangely they list OSX and OS9 as compatible and include a player on the first disk image, don't know why it still lets me do whatever the hell I want.

[fireside]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Strangely they list OSX and OS9 as compatible and include a player on the first disk image, don't know why it still lets me do whatever the hell I want.

who cares?

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by fireside:
who cares?

Judging from my post.... I do

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by MOTHERWELL:
I realize that there are many albums that are breaking the $9.99/Album rule, but I am pretty much sick of it. I was excited to get the new BB album, but when I saw the price, I was put off.

It's not the fact that it is $4 more, its the )*$#)(*#$ Labels and musix execs who think they can get away with this. Greedy bastards. I hope I am not alone on this.

Very easy: Don't buy it!

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I just bought the REAL CD for $11.99 CAN (about $8.99 US) which comes with a free second disk with a video.

Please mind that the copy-protection stops it from being a 'real cd' what you meant is that you bought a physical disc somewhere. congrats, personally i'd like to punish the industry by downloading an album that i can't buy because of copy protection issues. And yes i know: A Mac will rip it regardless. But i won't! Not a penny for copy-protected discs.


funny btw that people really seems to think things are 'free' only because a sticker on the box says so

[Oisín]

$14.99 for a new CD is expensive?

At home, I'm happy that they lowered the prices so we now only have to pay $25 for a new CD. It used to be $30.

Of course, here in China, I'm more than happy that I can get new CD's for 50 cents a piece

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by daimoni:
Which is the same reason why I don't care that they have iTMS in the States.

I prefer to go to my local, independent record store. Hell, I'll even take Amazon over iTMS.

as i have mentioned before, i am one of the few that handles all of my transactions in cash, hell i dont even have a check book, so the ITMS is totally out of the question. instead, i just picked up the CD at a local independent record store. it was like $17 something, but i dont really mind. there is something nice about holding the cd in your hands, reading all the liner notes and marvelling at the packagaing (something the beasties have always been good at. im at a cafe right now, so even though im ripping it, it will not be on my ipod until i get home tonight.

just go out and buy it, if for nothing else then the cool paper case it comes in. this is probably the first cd i have bought in a long time. i had forgotten all the joys of opening one up.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by gerbnl:
Please mind that the copy-protection stops it from being a 'real cd' what you meant is that you bought a physical disc somewhere. congrats, personally i'd like to punish the industry by downloading an album that i can't buy because of copy protection issues. And yes i know: A Mac will rip it regardless. But i won't! Not a penny for copy-protected discs.


funny btw that people really seems to think things are 'free' only because a sticker on the box says so

So what do you think about the copy protection on the ITMS? I can easily return this CD after making copies.

[fibroptikl]

How can you return a CD?

You can only exchange for the exact same item.

[d4nth3m4n]

i just sold mine to a used record store for 11. so i guess i got the album legally for $6. feels almost... good.

[MOTHERWELL]

After giving it a listen, I don't think the CD is even that good

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by MOTHERWELL:
After giving it a listen, I don't think the CD is even that good

Blame the DRM.

Their stuff usually take 3-4 spins before I start liking some of the songs.

[Parky]

On the UK store both the Clean and Explicit versions are �7.99

That works out at $14.45 Inc Tax

This is the standard price for Albums on the UK Store, so think yourself lucky that you can get most Albums for $9.99 - that would be �5.52 for us.

Ian

[SouthPaW1227]

Originally posted by Parky:
On the UK store both the Clean and Explicit versions are �7.99

That works out at $14.45 Inc Tax

This is the standard price for Albums on the UK Store, so think yourself lucky that you can get most Albums for $9.99 - that would be �5.52 for us.

Ian

No, consider YOURSELF lucky that the friggin' British Pound is worth a CRAPLOAD more than our lousy dollar.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by MOTHERWELL:
After giving it a listen, I don't think the CD is even that good

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I think it is really well done.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
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I think it is really well done.

Fine, someone send me MP3s of all of the songs and I'll make the final decision.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Seems the copy protection is even more serious then we thought:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06..._boy_cd_virus/

[OB1]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Seems the copy protection is even more serious then we thought:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06..._boy_cd_virus/

well, that's just unbelievably crappy of them. And Macs too!

[daimoni]

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[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fibroptikl:
How can you return a CD?

You can only exchange for the exact same item.

Not if it's defective.

Any copy-protected disk is NOT a CD - neither legally nor technically - since it violates the Red Book standard.

Copy-protected disks are not explicitly placed separately from Compact Disks as NON-CDs, and you are not explicitly notified of their non-Red Book-format. You are fooled into the assumption that you are buying a CD, and since it fails to perform as a CD would, you can legally return it as defective.

Demand a refund. It's your right.

-s*

[Steve]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Not if it's defective.

Any copy-protected disk is NOT a CD - neither legally nor technically - since it violates the Red Book standard.

Copy-protected disks are not explicitly placed separately from Compact Disks as NON-CDs, and you are not explicitly notified of their non-Red Book-format. You are fooled into the assumption that you are buying a CD, and since it fails to perform as a CD would, you can legally return it as defective.

Demand a refund. It's your right.

-s*

Was just about to post the same thing, but you said it much more eloquently .

[OB1]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Not if it's defective.

Any copy-protected disk is NOT a CD - neither legally nor technically - since it violates the Red Book standard.

Copy-protected disks are not explicitly placed separately from Compact Disks as NON-CDs, and you are not explicitly notified of their non-Red Book-format. You are fooled into the assumption that you are buying a CD, and since it fails to perform as a CD would, you can legally return it as defective.

Demand a refund. It's your right.

-s*

I've no doubt you're completely correct. But would you actually return a cd using this as the reason for its return? Considering the amount of discussion that will be necessary with the sales assistant to explain it; and then have the same discussion all over again with the store manager. I could see it lasting hours.

[dampeoples]

Originally posted by OB1:
I've no doubt you're completely correct. But would you actually return a cd using this as the reason for its return? Considering the amount of discussion that will be necessary with the sales assistant to explain it; and then have the same discussion all over again with the store manager. I could see it lasting hours.

Yes, but the tone of this thread seems to be that music is too high, damn the man, etc.
Besides, you would have spent at least that long looking for it on p2p, with broken downloads, crappy encodes, etc

[paully dub]

Here in France, there's label that says more or less: Warning, this is a copy-protected cd, blah blah blah that may not play in SOME cd players.

Is that in any way useful? And what the hell are those who want the music (fair 'n square), but don't have the "right players" supposed to do?

Shrug and say oh well, the Beastie Boys aren't THAT important to me...

[MOTHERWELL]

Has anyone noticed anything installed on their mac? It ripped without any problem for me, as it has for many mac users.

[slimshady023]

It's selling for $9.99 at our local Fry's Electronics. Quite an impressive record, by the way.

[OB1]

On the whole it sounded like lame cartoon hiphop to me. I'm sick of bands being ironic. Just because you know somethings crap doesn't stop it being crap.

[jld]

Just tell the clerk at the CD store that it doesn't play in your ancient 1984 CD player and that you want your money back. Most store policies on these 'non-CDs' is that if they don't work in your equipment, they are to give a full refund.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by OB1:
I've no doubt you're completely correct. But would you actually return a cd using this as the reason for its return? Considering the amount of discussion that will be necessary with the sales assistant to explain it; and then have the same discussion all over again with the store manager. I could see it lasting hours.

I would definitely return it, if I didn'r refuse to buy them in the first place, since I look for the CD logo, and if I didin't buy the stuff I really want to listen to on vinyl, anyway (#1 copy protection mechanism, and it's fine by me.)

From what I hear, though, there is no discussion involved: "This disk won't play on my blablabla." "Okay, do you want to exchange for something else, or your money back?"

that's it.

-s*

[daimoni]

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