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moki · Jun 20, 2002, 11:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Millennium:
Oh, brother. Another one of those screaming matches is about to begin.
"This is the final build!"
"No it isn't!"
"Yes it is!"
"Is not!"
"Is too!"

...and so on, and so forth. 4K78 all over again...<hr /></blockquote>This would be a great opportunity to start up a little better square, in which people can choose the release date and/or build number. Closest one wins the prize <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

undotwa · Jun 20, 2002, 11:39 PM

4K80 is the final build... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Has anyone actually got 6C73? It seems like we are only receiving reports from that really old Think Secrets article <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

I remember that Dock Tray, it had an auto hide function I think. It would of looked more useful if it didn't take up so much screen estate.

OwlBoy · Jun 21, 2002, 12:01 AM

Has this been talked about before?

Scanning with built in Drivers via Image Capture...

<img src="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarscannersupport.jpg" alt=" - " />

<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarscannersupport.html" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarscannersupport.html</a>

Sorry if it has been...

-Owl

[EDIT: That image shure could have used ClearScale�! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ]

[ 06-21-2002, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: OwlBoy ]

undotwa · Jun 21, 2002, 05:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by OwlBoy:
Has this been talked about before?

Scanning with built in Drivers via Image Capture...

<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarscannersupport.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarscannersupport.jpg</a>

<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarscannersupport.html" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarscannersupport.html</a>

Sorry if it has been...

-Owl

[EDIT: That image shure could have used ClearScale�! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ]<hr /></blockquote>Wow. I thought that scanner support article was about that preference in System Preferences. Wow, this is cool

Codename · Jun 21, 2002, 07:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by malvolio:
There is one Carracho server that says it has "6C73fc" available. The server never seems to be up, though, so take that for what it's worth.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>That server is up now. The two disk images on the server are dated 6/18/02 and 6/19/02 and measure in at 605.5MB and 158.4MB respectively.

undotwa · Jun 21, 2002, 10:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Codename:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by malvolio:
There is one Carracho server that says it has "6C73fc" available. The server never seems to be up, though, so take that for what it's worth.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>That server is up now. The two disk images on the server are dated 6/18/02 and 6/19/02 and measure in at 605.5MB and 158.4MB respectively.<hr /></blockquote>What are you waiting for! Aren't you going to download it? Heh, we're all very excited to hear from someone who has a supposedly 'Final Candidate' release.

Kaner · Jun 21, 2002, 10:47 AM

i saw that server yesterday, but now i cant find it, does anyone know where to get this thing.

Mediaman_12 · Jun 21, 2002, 11:18 AM

How on earth can this be even close to final candidate, didn't Steve say late of Summer. We are only just comming up to the middle of summer here. This would mean that Apple may be Shipping something early! What Apple Shipping before the time they said, never.

SMacTech · Jun 21, 2002, 11:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mediaman_12:
 We are only just comming up to the middle of summer here.<hr /></blockquote>Ummm, my calendar says today is the first day of summer. Where did you get your calendar?

DannyVTim · Jun 21, 2002, 11:40 AM

It's not FC; he's just misstating what someone else alluded to earlier.

gorickey · Jun 21, 2002, 11:55 AM

I think the whole file is a fake on Carracho or other people would have it IMHO...

mikemako · Jun 21, 2002, 01:30 PM

nevermind

[ 06-21-2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: mikemako ]

MacAttack · Jun 21, 2002, 02:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Codename:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by malvolio:
There is one Carracho server that says it has "6C73fc" available. The server never seems to be up, though, so take that for what it's worth.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>That server is up now. The two disk images on the server are dated 6/18/02 and 6/19/02 and measure in at 605.5MB and 158.4MB respectively.<hr /></blockquote>It is SO phony it's not funny...originally there was only disc 1 there, and the modified date was 03/22/02, kinda old for a recent build.

Plus NO ONE else has claimed to have this file, and the admin at this server has been nothing but a jerk. He refuses to upload it to another server.

Conclusion - FAKE. It's amazing how one jerk server admin can cause such rumor-mongering.

Codename · Jun 21, 2002, 02:51 PM

I can't believe 6C63 hasn't been leaked yet.

gorickey · Jun 21, 2002, 03:06 PM

Well, not to say that the file is fake (cuz I think it is too); however, yesterday while on his server I literally watched him place the 2nd CD online and the creation/modification date was 1/13/01!! So I guess maybe his Carracho prefs or something were acting kind of weird, I can vouch for the weird dates on the files...but that doesn't make me believe the file is real.

faragbre967 · Jun 21, 2002, 03:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Codename:
That build is over a week old.
<img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

Among the new features is an eject menu. ThinkSecret had screenshots days ago from an earlier build.

<img src="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarreader2images/ejectmenubar.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Sorry if this has already been said (didn't have the time to read full forum), but the eject menu has been there since WWDC build. Check the Menu Extras folder in CoreServices.

Axel · Jun 21, 2002, 03:32 PM

I just talked to the admin, and he told me "fc" was not for "final candidate". He added that this was a version for OpenGL developers <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

MacAttack · Jun 21, 2002, 04:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Axel:
I just talked to the admin, and he told me "fc" was not for "final candidate". He added that this was a version for OpenGL developers <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>He's so full of crap...if you're still there, ask him why the heck he hasn't uploaded it to another server if it's legit. I can already tell you what he'll say - "I don't have the time."

Typical Carracho tactic of posting a false file so people will upload stuff he wants.

undotwa · Jun 21, 2002, 11:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MacAttack:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Axel:
I just talked to the admin, and he told me "fc" was not for "final candidate". He added that this was a version for OpenGL developers <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>He's so full of crap...if you're still there, ask him why the heck he hasn't uploaded it to another server if it's legit. I can already tell you what he'll say - "I don't have the time."

Typical Carracho tactic of posting a false file so people will upload stuff he wants.<hr /></blockquote>You know how long it takes to upload 700 Megs on Carracho or Hotline?

Simon Mundy · Jun 21, 2002, 11:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by undotwa:
You know how long it takes to upload 700 Megs on Carracho or Hotline?<hr /></blockquote>"I refuse to answer that question on the basis it may incriminate me" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

MacAttack · Jun 22, 2002, 12:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by undotwa:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MacAttack:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Axel:
I just talked to the admin, and he told me "fc" was not for "final candidate". He added that this was a version for OpenGL developers <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>He's so full of crap...if you're still there, ask him why the heck he hasn't uploaded it to another server if it's legit. I can already tell you what he'll say - "I don't have the time."

Typical Carracho tactic of posting a false file so people will upload stuff he wants.<hr /></blockquote>You know how long it takes to upload 700 Megs on Carracho or Hotline?<hr /></blockquote>As a matter of fact, I do...if you have a broadband connection, you just click upload and let it run in the background while you go on your merry way doing other things. A few hours later, you're done. It's not time-consuming at all.

That's the great thing about OS X...it's MULTITASKING!

undotwa · Jun 22, 2002, 01:56 AM

It's not that simple.

Carracho servers usually have crumby connections. Not only that, upload speeds are usually capped to 128 Kbps or 256 Kbps. So your talking about a 10 - 30 KB per second upload here. Or if the server has a lot of people on it, 5 - 15 KB.

altimac · Jun 22, 2002, 04:19 AM

several different sources claims that this build is EXTREMLY bugguy... because of new openGL stuff...

seems to confirm what this server admin said...

[ 06-22-2002, 04:22 AM: Message edited by: altimac ]

Codename · Jun 22, 2002, 04:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by altimac:
several different sources claims that this build is EXTREMLY bugguy... because of new openGL stuff...

seems to confirm what this server admin said...<hr /></blockquote>I've also heard that it supports Quartz Extreme in greater depth than 6C35 or 6C48. More things are accelerated.

Tommo · Jun 22, 2002, 08:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by undotwa:
It's not that simple.

Carracho servers usually have crumby connections. Not only that, upload speeds are usually capped to 128 Kbps or 256 Kbps. So your talking about a 10 - 30 KB per second upload here. Or if the server has a lot of people on it, 5 - 15 KB.<hr /></blockquote>I'm not sure I see your point... its not like it would cost anything to d/l with a broadband connection, or even use up much CPU time on my multi-tasking OSX-equipped Mac, so the length of time it takes, or the speed of the server, is really a moot point.

Anyway, there are a good handful of servers out there which offer d/l speeds up to 50-60KB/sec.. at least so I hear..

Mrjinglesusa · Jun 22, 2002, 12:41 PM

It's fake. Period. Let's stop wasting our time with this clown who SAYS he has it. Fact is, he's not letting anyone else DL it.

The DJ · Jun 22, 2002, 05:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tommo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by undotwa:
It's not that simple.

Carracho servers usually have crumby connections. Not only that, upload speeds are usually capped to 128 Kbps or 256 Kbps. So your talking about a 10 - 30 KB per second upload here. Or if the server has a lot of people on it, 5 - 15 KB.<hr /></blockquote>I'm not sure I see your point... its not like it would cost anything to d/l with a broadband connection, or even use up much CPU time on my multi-tasking OSX-equipped Mac, so the length of time it takes, or the speed of the server, is really a moot point.

Anyway, there are a good handful of servers out there which offer d/l speeds up to 50-60KB/sec.. at least so I hear..

<hr /></blockquote>Yeesh, get a decent connection. University connections between sweden and holland are way better than that. I have had speeds of upto 800k/s. All legal stuff of course. MS Word docs are so large these days ;-)

DJ

OwlBoy · Jun 22, 2002, 09:54 PM

Holy (****) thats fast...

If thats the future of the net sign me up!

.

-Owl

Vanquish · Jun 23, 2002, 04:41 AM

I think those speeds are quite normal, IMO.

Liudger · Jun 23, 2002, 09:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tommo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by undotwa:
It's not that simple.

Carracho servers usually have crumby connections. Not only that, upload speeds are usually capped to 128 Kbps or 256 Kbps. So your talking about a 10 - 30 KB per second upload here. Or if the server has a lot of people on it, 5 - 15 KB.<hr /></blockquote>I'm not sure I see your point... its not like it would cost anything to d/l with a broadband connection, or even use up much CPU time on my multi-tasking OSX-equipped Mac, so the length of time it takes, or the speed of the server, is really a moot point.

Anyway, there are a good handful of servers out there which offer d/l speeds up to 50-60KB/sec.. at least so I hear..

<hr /></blockquote>My server has better speed. If you home connection is good you can reach 3000KB/sec with 20 users downloading and uploading at the same time

The trouble is that i have no Jaguar builds.

Yes student connections rocks!

[ 06-23-2002, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Liudger ]

Kristoff · Jun 23, 2002, 08:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liudger:
My server has better speed. If you home connection is good you can reach 3000KB/sec with 20 users downloading and uploading at the same time

The trouble is that i have no Jaguar builds.

Yes student connections rocks!<hr /></blockquote>Gimme a break!!!! Maybe if your roomate is downloading!

24Mbps!!! To the Internet?!?

What, do you have an OC-1 in your room?? <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Get Real.

At the bare minimum, you'd have to have a T3 right to your computer.
I seriously doubt it.

[ 06-23-2002, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Kristoff ]

Chuckit · Jun 23, 2002, 08:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zadian:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Have a look at DockDisks. It does precisely this. It's pretty cool...
<hr /></blockquote>DockDisks has one big problem that makes it usless - it has to kill and restart the dock to mount a disk.

If you have - like me - many open windows minimized in the dock killing the dock is a very bad idea, all windows will be maximized <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>This is precisely my problem with it. I finally just went with DocJector.
I was wondering, Charles--would it be possible for you to implement the "disks" using Docklings? Last I checked, those could be added and removed from the Dock without killing the whole thing, so that sounds like a safer way of doing it. (Though I'm honestly not sure what arcane hackery you're using now, so I suppose I might be way off.)

Adam Betts · Jun 23, 2002, 09:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by faragbre967:
Sorry if this has already been said (didn't have the time to read full forum), but the eject menu has been there since WWDC build. Check the Menu Extras folder in CoreServices.<hr /></blockquote>I didn't know that eject menu from Jaguar would work well with 10.1.5.

[ 06-24-2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Adam Betts ]

foamy · Jun 23, 2002, 09:09 PM

Why would 3MB/s be that unusual for a university account? I imagine an OC-128 (or whatever they have) connected to a 100BaseT network would sustain 3MB/s without a sweat.

I'm on an T3/100BaseT network and I routinely get over 2MB/s

E.g.
ncftp ...mozilla/nightly/latest > get mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin
mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin: 16.77 MB 2.30 MB/s

Orbit · Jun 23, 2002, 09:26 PM

ya, i can vouch for that... over here in one of the new buildings at the university of washington, i downloaded a file from apple's servers at 2MB/sec... back in the dorms, i was able to get 1MB/sec, only capped by the fact that i was running at 10BaseT, as were the hubs in the hallway. however, they had fiber coming all the way up into the network closet, so a simple upgrade (which may have already happened by now) could boost everything to 100BaseT speeds.

it's quite nice...

CharlesS · Jun 23, 2002, 10:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Chuckit:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zadian:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Have a look at DockDisks. It does precisely this. It's pretty cool...
<hr /></blockquote>DockDisks has one big problem that makes it usless - it has to kill and restart the dock to mount a disk.

If you have - like me - many open windows minimized in the dock killing the dock is a very bad idea, all windows will be maximized <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>This is precisely my problem with it. I finally just went with DocJector.
I was wondering, Charles--would it be possible for you to implement the "disks" using Docklings? Last I checked, those could be added and removed from the Dock without killing the whole thing, so that sounds like a safer way of doing it. (Though I'm honestly not sure what arcane hackery you're using now, so I suppose I might be way off.)<hr /></blockquote>With Docklings, you wouldn't be able to just click on the disk and have its window come up. And even then, I don't think it would be possible to remove them from the Dock without killing it...

[ 06-23-2002, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: CharlesS ]

mr. burns · Jun 23, 2002, 11:14 PM

i'm loving this...
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/rob_060/.Public/cheetahaim.jpg" alt=" - " />

Codename · Jun 24, 2002, 12:29 AM

Some servers reportedly have 6c63 now.

diamondsw · Jun 24, 2002, 01:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lucas:
Kind of off topic, but...

Does anyone remember the interface guidelines that were being circulated when Apple started working on Rhapsody? They used a sort of vertical dock (called it a tray I think) that was dedicated to media. Is this not exactly what everyone is talking about when requesting dock drives? My guess is that if it was originally planned for Apple's next generation OS, but didn't make it in the conversion from Rhapsody to Mac OS X, Steve's going to need a lot of convincing before it's added back in.

Just a tidbit of information that popped into my mind...<hr /></blockquote>I still have that document and open it from time to time. Some things have worked their way back in over time, but there are a lot of things in it that I would dearly love to see back...

undotwa · Jun 24, 2002, 08:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mr. burns:
i'm loving this...
]http://homepage.mac.com/rob_060/.Public/cheetahaim.jpg<hr /></blockquote>Wow, I really am starting to like iChat from what I see from pictures

Looks like it'll be another permanent resident on my dock

Mediaman_12 · Jun 24, 2002, 08:28 AM

iChat looks quite good (I think that you can turn them Aqua bubbles off, in a sort of pro mode) unfotunatly most people I know use M$'s chat. So unless Apple makes is cross compatable (or some one makes a sort of plug in) it will be useless for me, and may others I suspect.

kman42 · Jun 24, 2002, 12:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mr. burns:
i'm loving this...
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/rob_060/.Public/cheetahaim.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Is eusebiofly a Drosophila geneticist?

On iChat: Has anyone tried file transfer from behind a firewall. I've been killing myself trying to get M$ Messenger to do it.

kman

gorickey · Jun 24, 2002, 09:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Codename:
Some servers reportedly have 6c63 now.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, that build won't even boot up after install <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

ccsccs7 · Jun 25, 2002, 05:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by keston:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I think the Eject Menu will disappear after you've ejected all of the media. I don't see any point of it staying there if there is no media inserted.<hr /></blockquote>Having your UI elements jumping around, or disappearing is not a good idea. The menu extra should always be there in the same place, whether media is in or not.<hr /></blockquote>Well, in 10.2, some of the menubar will move/expand by itself when you are doing something. For example: Phone Menubar (dial-in) will expand itself to show the scrolling "Dialing..." text (I think this one is pretty nifty) then shrink a little to fit the time of uptime "0:00:16". Some of the menubar also expand itself but seem to be turned off in various builds for some reason.

But I think making the Eject menubar gray would be better than removing them completely

<hr /></blockquote>Us iBook/PowerBook owners get the expanding Battery Power menu item. It expands to show time remaining for battery drain(usage) and recharge.

[ 06-25-2002, 05:51 AM: Message edited by: ccsccs7 ]

WJMoore · Jun 25, 2002, 09:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ccsccs7:
Us iBook/PowerBook owners get the expanding Battery Power menu item. It expands to show time remaining for battery drain(usage) and recharge.<hr /></blockquote>When does it expand? ie. What has to happen to make it expand?

Wesley

JLL · Jun 25, 2002, 10:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WJMoore:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ccsccs7:
Us iBook/PowerBook owners get the expanding Battery Power menu item. It expands to show time remaining for battery drain(usage) and recharge.<hr /></blockquote>When does it expand? ie. What has to happen to make it expand?

Wesley<hr /></blockquote>When charging it tells you how much time/how many percent there is left to a full charge, and whn running on battery, it tells you how much time/how many percent there is left.

A fully charged battery doesn't show any extra info if Show Time is your preference.

lookmark · Jun 25, 2002, 10:37 AM

Just so there's no confusion, this is in 10.1.x, not in some upcoming future release. You can open the System Menu from System Preferences: Energy Saver.

lookmark · Jun 25, 2002, 10:41 AM

By the way.

Wouldn't be nice to have a "System Menus" pane in System Preferences, or as a tab or section of "General", just somewhere organized, so you could easily access all of those little guys, instead of hunting for check boxes among multiple panels?

My current workaround is to have an alias to System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras in a handy place.

vasu · Jun 25, 2002, 12:08 PM

so is there a way to get 6C63 to boot at all?

-vasu

The DJ · Jun 26, 2002, 08:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by foamy:
Why would 3MB/s be that unusual for a university account? I imagine an OC-128 (or whatever they have) connected to a 100BaseT network would sustain 3MB/s without a sweat.

I'm on an T3/100BaseT network and I routinely get over 2MB/s
<hr /></blockquote>Oh, it is possible of course, but usually connections over the internet aren't that good. Especially between the States and Europe.
I mean, I have 100mbit connection to the switch , which goes to a 300Mbit connection to the router, which has a 10Gbit uplink to the internet. It's possible believe me. There's just a lot of crap in between and on the other side

DJ