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jmatero · May 4, 2004, 08:55 AM

So, now that we know Uncle Steve will be showing us TIGER next month...

What should we expect? What's new? I haven't read a THING about the new features.

Anyone?

gorickey · May 4, 2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by jmatero:
I haven't read a THING about the new features.

Probably because nobody else knows either...

moonmonkey · May 4, 2004, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by jmatero:
So, now that we know Uncle Steve will be showing us TIGER next month...

What should we expect? What's new? I haven't read a THING about the new features.

Anyone?

Enhanced Speech capability.

Thats all we know for sure.

I would like "Time Release Eye Candy"; one of four new eye candy features would be unlocked every three months, over the course of one year. That would be cool.

Webscreamer · May 4, 2004, 09:13 AM

This made me laugh. Thanks

chabig · May 4, 2004, 09:21 AM

The only thing I'm sure of..."over 150 new features!"

chabig · May 4, 2004, 09:22 AM

How about a searchable keychain?

Diggory Laycock · May 4, 2004, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by chabig:
How about a searchable keychain?

Yeah - I really wanted that the other day... Would be v useful.

(sorting the table by kind helps somewhat)

Macola · May 4, 2004, 09:38 AM

A network browser that *really* works...still waiting

Shaddim · May 4, 2004, 09:38 AM

I wonder which machines will slide off the compatibility list this time... perhaps all machines without built-in FW ports?

Webscreamer · May 4, 2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by chabig:
The only thing I'm sure of..."over 150 new features!"

Actually, I doubt that would happen. Most of the "new features" before were bringing back OS 9 stuff. I think we are at the point of Mac OS X that it is feature rich. But I am confident they will find something extremely cool to add that I can't live without!

mitchell_pgh · May 4, 2004, 09:44 AM

I'm guessing it's going to have a TON of handicap accessible features now built in to the OS (a BIG thing for schools).

I think it's going to embrace the G5 - (Apple will be pushing "Optimized for the G5" )

Eye candy, eye candy, eye candy...

PLEASE FIX THE FINDER...
I don't know about the rest of you, but on my two systems (work/home) the finder is less reliable then 10.2. I wouldn't say it's horrible, but annoying at times.

Improved networking seems to be a reoccurring theme.

ARD (Apple Remote Desktop) client built in.

Improved responsiveness. I realize the OS is faster then OS 9, but it doesn't "feel" as fast at times. I would hope that Apple would address this.

blackbird_1.0 · May 4, 2004, 09:47 AM

I hope it'll be more stable than 10.2 / 10.3. (Misses the days of 10.0 / 10.1)

Webscreamer · May 4, 2004, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Improved responsiveness. I realize the OS is faster then OS 9, but it doesn't "feel" as fast at times. I would hope that Apple would address this.

Agreed. It's faster than 9. But if my memory serves my right, apps launched faster on OS 9?!

gorickey · May 4, 2004, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
ARD (Apple Remote Desktop) client built in.

That is already in Panther; however, the ARD "Admin" client is not...is that what you mean?

Peabo · May 4, 2004, 09:52 AM

Maybe they'll take some cues from VLC and its ability to smoothly resize a window contianing a rotating 3D cube with quicktime movies playing on each face. I think if a 3rd party software company can pull that off then apple can make a brushed metal window resize at the same speed, dammit!

angelmb · May 4, 2004, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by jmatero:
So, now that we know Uncle Steve will be showing us TIGER next month...

But is the name official yet?

SMacTech · May 4, 2004, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by blackbird_1.0:
I hope it'll be more stable than 10.2 / 10.3. (Misses the days of 10.0 / 10.1)

It is just the opposite for me, 10.3 is rock solid, whereas I would get infrequent KPs in 10.0 - 10.2.

RooneyX · May 4, 2004, 10:00 AM

It comes with a bowl of Frosties. They're ggggggreat. Brings out the tiger in you. $129.

There's a new camoflage feature to Expose. You can make windows fade in and out now and set the level of transparency.

moonmonkey · May 4, 2004, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
There's a new camoflage feature to Expose. You can make windows fade in and out now and set the level of transparency.

No there isn't.

ul1984 · May 4, 2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by angelmb:
But is the name official yet?

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

moonmonkey · May 4, 2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by angelmb:
But is the name official yet?

Yes.
http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

Kristoff · May 4, 2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I wonder which machines will slide off the compatibility list this time... perhaps all machines without built-in FW ports?

Dude, it's time to upgrade.

I have used Macs since 10.0 DP and have never even seen a Mac without a firewire port.

Turias · May 4, 2004, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
It is just the opposite for me, 10.3 is rock solid, whereas I would get infrequent KPs in 10.0 - 10.2.

Seriously. How could anyone call 10.0 stable?

moonmonkey · May 4, 2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Turias:
Seriously. How could anyone call 10.0 stable?

Exactly, I think people forget how basic it was.
Very hard to get anything done at all, boot into 10.0, play with the dock, minimize a few windows and reboot into 9.2.

We have come a long way.

Turias · May 4, 2004, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Exactly, I think people forget how basic it was.
Very hard to get anything done at all, boot into 10.0, play with the dock, minimize a few windows and reboot into 9.2.

We have come a long way.

But, oh man, that genie effect was so cool to play with, back then.

moonmonkey · May 4, 2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Turias:
But, oh man, that genie effect was so cool to play with, back then.

I actually made two beautiful girls scream when I held the shift button down.
What other OS can do that?

Shaddim · May 4, 2004, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Kristoff:
Dude, it's time to upgrade.

I have used Macs since 10.0 DP and have never even seen a Mac without a firewire port.

Man, I don't have any machines that match that description, all of my machines are newer macs... the oldest machine I own is a B&W G3 w/a 900MHz Powerlogix upgd chip, 1GB of RAM, and Radeon 7000 PCI (it serves as my fileserver). HOWEVER, there are a couple that were built that fit that bill.

the 350MHz iMac, Indigo and Blueberry
the 333MHz and 400MHz G3 Powerbooks, aka. "Lombard"

I wasn't saying those machines WILL be phased out, it just seems that Apple tends to bump a few machines off the "list" with each OS X upgrade.

JLL · May 4, 2004, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I wasn't saying those machines WILL be phased out, it just seems that Apple tends to bump a few machines off the "list" with each OS X upgrade.

They only dumped machines once, and that was with 10.3.

xi_hyperon · May 4, 2004, 10:59 AM

Would be cool to see another feature of some sort which is as innovative and useful as Expos�. It's stuff like that which makes me really glad to use a Mac.

Altix · May 4, 2004, 11:01 AM

Tiger sounds like this will be the release with a lot of beefed up components; building on a lot of the structures that are hinted at in Panther.

Should be good to see what they come out with.

nate_02 · May 4, 2004, 11:04 AM

I hope they fix the printer problems. I print to a digital copy machine and it works great in 10.2, but now 10.3 won't print. I know a friend who is having the same problem with another brand of copier since he upgraded to 10.3.

BurpetheadX · May 4, 2004, 11:11 AM

I remember seeing discussions of embedded applications in 10.4. like iChat actually being a part of the system, and not an application. It would be controled through a system preference pane. But I'm not excited about that, it's already well integrated enough.

blackbird_1.0 · May 4, 2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Exactly, I think people forget how basic it was.
Very hard to get anything done at all, boot into 10.0, play with the dock, minimize a few windows and reboot into 9.2.

We have come a long way.

Well, in my experience, when I had 10.0 on my ibook, i could actually do a lot with it, it got better with 10.1, as with the new features and such. After 10.2 though, things just started messing up more, I've installed 10.2 on my ibook at least 2 or 3 times, and now soon, 10.3 a second time.

My G5 has 10.2.8 on it, and I think I'll leave it alone, until I am comfortable with upgrading the OS. I probably won't until 10.5 comes out, at least.

That's just my experience, though. Mileage may vary.

RooneyX · May 4, 2004, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
No there isn't.

Man, just when I wanted to firespread a lie.

Altix · May 4, 2004, 11:22 AM

Networking is my one B I G peeve. Trying to sed out render jobs to an xserve renderfarm is just a joke.

Here's hoping. One good thing though, is that XSAN will be out probably just before Tiger, then the fun begins.

Altix · May 4, 2004, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by chabig:
The only thing I'm sure of..."over 150 new features!"

That actually work!!!

mitchell_pgh · May 4, 2004, 11:52 AM

10.0 was stable (from a unix perspective)... It just wasn't very usable...

Unfortunately, it was a catch 22, and Apple had to get it out there... If they would have waited until they ironed out more bugs, the developers (and thus, users) would have waited as well...

I agree with the comment "book up 10.0, say WOW, that's cool, the reboot in to OS 9 to do work". It was my motto for a while.

z|gzag · May 4, 2004, 11:53 AM

The Finder needs to be rewritten, it totally sucks to the point I quit it when I start my computer, its just an abomination.

Its not Finder, its Loser

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET IT BE FIXED UP.

dreilly1 · May 4, 2004, 12:00 PM

They need to get off this cat-naming kick. I'm sure that some people think that an OS named after a cat will never do what they want it to, and would barely tolerate their existence.

How about Husky? Rottweiler? Pit Bull? There are lots of ferocious names that would be much better.

And if you want to go a little calmer? How about Pug? Terrier? I think Beagle would be a good name for an OS. Steve could get Snoopy as a spokesman!

As it is, with a name like "Tiger" all Steve can get to be a spokesman is a little-known hack golfer. Golf? Sheesh, who wants to have your product sponsored by a golfer?

... OK, I'll stop now...

Turias · May 4, 2004, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by dreilly1:
As it is, with a name like "Tiger" all Steve can get to be a spokesman is a little-known hack golfer. Golf? Sheesh, who wants to have your product sponsored by a golfer?

Tony the Tiger would be a great spokesman.

mitchell_pgh · May 4, 2004, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
I remember seeing discussions of embedded applications in 10.4. like iChat actually being a part of the system, and not an application. It would be controled through a system preference pane. But I'm not excited about that, it's already well integrated enough.

That would really anger me...

Keep the iApps out of my OS!

Here is something that should be integrated.

FONT MANAGEMENT - And I'm not talking about that THING they pulled in Panther. Make it a priority, and kill off the 3rd party developers. This is something that the OS should handle, and well.

bkb · May 4, 2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by chabig:
The only thing I'm sure of..."over 150 new features!"

Hm... and I bet they'll cost 99 cents each

.

eyadams · May 4, 2004, 12:31 PM

They only dumped machines once, and that was with 10.3.

This is untrue. 10.3 cut off support for machines without built-in USB (like the "Beige" G3), but several previous releases of both OS X and the Classic OS cut off machines.

Going from memory, one of the OS 7 releases cut off the "compact" Macs; OS 8 was the first PowerPC only release; OS 9 but was not recommended for the first generation of PowerPC machines (i.e. 6100), although it ran. The OS X Public Beta cut off NuBus machines; 10.0 didn't support machines without a G3 (though it could be coerced into running). Things have been pretty stable for 10.1 and 10.2, but then Apple hit us with the 10.3 cut off - although, again, you could run it on an appropriately upgraded Beige G3 via XPostFacto.

All that said, I would be surprised if Tiger cut off any machines. All the officially supported machines are "New World" machines, and the differences between the original iMac and the G4 iMac aren't as significant as the differences between the "Old World" machines and the original iMac.

Nathan Adams · May 4, 2004, 12:32 PM

I don't think they should go overboard with Font Management. Sure Font Book needs some improvement, but it's a consumer app. Suitcase and Font Reserve have far more options than the average person needs. Let them service pro's, and let Apple make an efficient and easy to use Font Book that only has features that normal people will use.
I say improve it's responsiveness, and also have a sniffer for corrupt fonts. (highlight them in red!). Oh, and multi-font preview.

A better finder - a more spatial finder please. I don't want windows not staying where I put them last.

Address Book - I want that quartz bug fixed once and for all! It's been fixed in iPhoto, now it's AB's turn.

And let me store my Home folder on an external HD. that would be nice

Socially Awkward Solo · May 4, 2004, 12:41 PM

All I want is a better dock. Imagine how cool it would be if when iTunes was in the dock it had buttons that you could click to stop and skip etc. Holding down the menu is not the same thing as it takes longer and is annoying.

mitchell_pgh · May 4, 2004, 12:41 PM

I still feel pro level font management should be built in.

Also, I still have the folder/desktop font issue showing up (where the drop shadow looks funky).

I would love to see a .1 upgrade to all of the iApps that removes some of their GUI inconsistencies.

Native FTP and SFTP in the OS (another thing I think the OS should have)

Evinyatar · May 4, 2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
I actually made two beautiful girls scream when I held the shift button down.
What other OS can do that?

Hell, Windows can make just about anyone scream

leperkuhn · May 4, 2004, 01:07 PM

Here is some ideas to kick around..

Multiple desktops, customizable application menu, better previews of documents, better finder navigation for moving/copying files, slim theme for smaller screens (1024x768 is insanely hard to have 2 windows open at the same time in the finder) better textedit, mouse gestures, interactive speech commands, multiple clipboards, enhanced file sharing abilities, KDE, "float window" contextual menu option, iCal, iChat groups & better interface (current one sucks), "arrange"/clean up in contextual menu, major disk utility updates (create repair disk), more language support in Project Builder (PHP, Perl, Python, etc) optional labels below items in the dock, graphical cron scheduler.

What's not coming back?
Opendoc, IE.

Please, add to the list of random speculation.

Tulkas · May 4, 2004, 01:28 PM

Its going to have the only thing that really matters: A vicious-animal name.

tae667 · May 4, 2004, 01:32 PM

- "�berdock"
- Quicksilver/Launchbar replacement
- Better finder
- MSN support in iChat so Europeans can use iSight
- Usable Fontbook
- More visual effects