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chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 07:17 PM

10.3.9 was just released. It's available under Software Update.

Chris

jersey · Apr 15, 2005, 07:20 PM

i think i'm gonna stay away....... i'll just wait for tiger

zerostar · Apr 15, 2005, 07:20 PM

"Addresses an issue in which the startup time in Mac OS X 10.3.6 through 10.3.8 may be extended if a large number of PostScript fonts are installed."

Finally!

chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 07:21 PM

The combo update is already available too.

bowwowman · Apr 15, 2005, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

10.3.9 was just released. It's available under Software Update.

Chris

finishing the install now, get ready for the big REBOOT

SMacTech · Apr 15, 2005, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by jersey

i think i'm gonna stay away....... i'll just wait for tiger

It is a very good update, I would go with it. Safari 1.3 alone is worth it.

chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 07:25 PM

Here is Apple's list of improvement:

This update offers many reliability and compatibility improvements. These are just a few of the enhancements and improvements included:

Stickies

Addresses an issue in which Stickies could unexpectedly quit when creating a new note.

Addresses an issue in which new Stickies are invisible.

Stickies windows can now be minimized (an issue with Mac OS X 10.3.4 through 10.3.8).

Safari

Accessing certain websites, such as msnbc.com, mail.yahoo.com, ticketmaster.com, and others, no longer displays a "bad server response" alert that could occur in Safari.

Addresses an issue in which "safe downloads" files are not automatically opened after downloading.

SSL webpages (pages with URLs that start with "https://") load faster in Safari.

Adds some important Verisign root certificates to Safari, allowing you to connect to certain secure websites that you might not have been able to surf before.

Adds other trusted root certificates to Safari, such as VISA and RSA.

Finder

Addresses an issue in which copied files could become fragmented (but still usable) when you copy more than one file at the same time in the Finder.

Addresses a rare issue in which a file could become damaged when copying to a FAT16- or FAT32-formatted volume.

Improves reliability when mounting (making available) a disk image that's larger than 4.7 GB.

More

Addresses slow vertical tracking and intermittent trackpad behavior on PowerBook G4 12-inch 1.5GHz, 15-inch 1.67/1.5GHz, and 17-inch 1.67GHz computers.

Adds an "Apple Internal 56k Modem (v.32)" modem choice that you can use if you have difficulty using Verizon's Airfone Jet Connect service.

Addresses an issue with Mac OS X 10.3.6 and later in which the Calculator window won't appear if the Speak Button Pressed or Speak Total options are enabled.

Fixes an issue at the login window, where clicking the small space just below the bottom user account picture would produce this alert:
"Internal Error *** -[NSCF Array objectAtIndex:]: index(-1) beyond bounds (X)" (where X is the number of user accounts shown).

Addresses an issue in which the startup time in Mac OS X 10.3.6 through 10.3.8 may be extended if a large number of PostScript fonts are installed.

If your PowerBook G4 sometimes wakes up with a kernel panic, installing this update may help.

Addresses a data loss issue that could occur when syncing your iDisk at the same time that .Mac servers are experiencing heavy usage.
Avoids a potential Mail issue if the application is running when Daylight Savings Time changes.
Addresses some formatting issues that could occur when replying to HTML messages in Mail.

Busemann · Apr 15, 2005, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by jersey

i think i'm gonna stay away....... i'll just wait for tiger

Oh come on.. Live a little!

E's Lil Theorem · Apr 15, 2005, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

Here is Apple's list of improvement:

...

With each update I usually get at least one thing that matters fixed, but not this time. I may be in the same boat as jersey and just wait for Tiger.

If ain't broke, don't fix it.

SkaGoat · Apr 15, 2005, 07:47 PM

I love updates!!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 15, 2005, 07:52 PM

SO FAR it seems to have fixed that fan issue that .8 introduced with powermac G5s.

TailsToo · Apr 15, 2005, 07:52 PM

YEAH! The Trackpad on my 15" 1.67 is working like it should! That vertical scrolling bug was a killer!!

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 15, 2005, 07:53 PM

I didn't think I had any scrolling trackpad issues before but now it's more responsive and faster.

Art Vandelay · 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

SO FAR it seems to have fixed that fan issue that .8 introduced with powermac G5s.

Nope, still have the fan problem here on my dual 2ghz G5.

Edit: AFter some use it does seem better. It was still noisy at first when I switched it back to Automatic in Energy Saver, but now is quiet.

chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I didn't think I had any scrolling trackpad issues before but now it's more responsive and faster.

I'm in the same boat as you. I didn't think I had a problem. I guess I'll find out.

Chris

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 15, 2005, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

I'm in the same boat as you. I didn't think I had a problem. I guess I'll find out.

Chris

Feels much better now but it could be because of a system restart.

Webscreamer · Apr 15, 2005, 08:13 PM

Safari seems must faster loading pages... or is it just me?

hmmmmm, and it messed up my bookmarks. They are everywhere..

sideus · Apr 15, 2005, 08:14 PM

And Apple removed the debug code.

ManOfSteal · Apr 15, 2005, 08:19 PM

Safari. Has. Improved.

jersey · Apr 15, 2005, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Busemann

Oh come on.. Live a little!

last time i "lived a little" i fried the logic board on my ipod. that was fun to replace. did it here at home.

so i'm gonna wait until monday, unplug and back up.

-j

chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by ManOfSteal

Safari. Has. Improved.

What is Safari's build number now? In 10.3.8 it was 125.12.

Chris

ManOfSteal · Apr 15, 2005, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

What is Safari's build number now? In 10.3.8 it was 125.12.

Chris

v1.3 (v312)

leperkuhn · Apr 15, 2005, 08:27 PM

no issues. everything running fine.

cc_foo · Apr 15, 2005, 08:43 PM

I�ll wait for Tiger.

IMHO, this update is for those without built-in FireWire ports.

Dale Sorel · Apr 15, 2005, 08:44 PM

I just went to a site where I always get a pop-under ad and nothing happened

f1000 · Apr 15, 2005, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

I just went to a site where I always get a pop-under ad and nothing happened

You've sold me on it. I'm downloading now.

MacGallant · Apr 15, 2005, 09:03 PM

I posted at Apple's bug reporter again after OSX10.3.8 came out
and now Apple at finally fixed the MDD audio bug at last
with Mac OSX 10.3.9!

mac15 · Apr 15, 2005, 09:07 PM

What version number is Safari? Hopefully 1.3 (I'm in Tiger so I can't test it)

CatOne · Apr 15, 2005, 09:11 PM

Not showing up in MY software update...

chabig · Apr 15, 2005, 09:15 PM

It's 1.3.

Dog Like Nature · Apr 15, 2005, 09:18 PM

Safari 1.3 seems snappy! I mean it!

Has anyone else noticed the highlighting in Safari seems different? Try selecting something from a webpage.

Also, the animating-gif-problem seems to have gone away. Discuss...

OAW · Apr 15, 2005, 09:29 PM

Safari is definitely a lot faster. Having said that, IMO I think Apple really needs to get rid of the blue progress bar and go to something more subtle. The fact that it's there essentially makes the user think the page is not done until the blue goes away. And this is true, but that's often a second or two after the page is rendered and usable. If it used something more subtle like Firefox or Camino I think the perceived speed would increase even more.

On another note, Safari Keywords no longer works. Hopefully an update will be forthcoming real soon.

OAW

OAW · Apr 15, 2005, 09:38 PM

Ok. Well now I'm a little miffed. Safari is hella faster as I've already said. However, for some strange and unknown reason Apple decided to change the behavior of CMD-Click on a folder in the Bookmarks bar. Previously, doing this would open all the sites listed in the top level of that folder in tabs. Items in sub-folders would not be opened. This was nice because you could put your main stuff that you wanted to see in the top-level folder to be opened with CMD-Click on a regular basis. But secondary stuff would be skipped by that yet still be easily accessible by the menus in the Bookmarks Bar. Unfortunately, a CMD-Click now will open up all sites in a folder on the Bookmarks Bar, including those that are in sub-folders. Now I'm going to have to change my bookmarks scheme to keep all the extra stuff from showing up with a CMD-Click.

OAW

TailsToo · Apr 15, 2005, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dog Like Nature

Safari 1.3 seems snappy! I mean it!

Has anyone else noticed the highlighting in Safari seems different? Try selecting something from a webpage.

Also, the animating-gif-problem seems to have gone away. Discuss...

Seems like the same highlighting to me...

Dog Like Nature · Apr 15, 2005, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by TailsToo

Seems like the same highlighting to me...

Here's an example -- try dragging a picture from a webpage, the original picture will be highlighted. Also, Safari will actually print the highlighed selections as being highlighted.

Plus when selecting information in tables, the entire cell will be selected when dragging a selection on a page. It's hard to explain, but the result is more of the page ends up being highlighted when dragging a selection.

Have a go and see what you think.

Such87 · Apr 15, 2005, 09:55 PM

For some reason, after just downloading .9, F1-F12 don't work for adjusting volume, etc. Is there a lock I hit by accident, or has someone else observed this?

Krusty · Apr 15, 2005, 10:01 PM

Hard to describe exactly what the difference is, but the highlighting does seem different in Safari ... smoother or something .. can't quite put a finger on it. Happy to hear about the pop-under blocking, that was starting to get annoying.

Also happy that the update actually found the proper app to update (Safari is in a subfolder of /Applications. Previously, I had to move all the Apple apps out to the root of /Applications or they would not update properly.

Finally, Webscreamer. It doesn't look like this update "messed up" bookmarks but added some junk bookmarks to the toolbar. I have .mac, Apple, and Yahoo links already in subfolders of my toolbar bookmarks. This update seems to have made duplicates of them directly on my toolbar (and left my others where they were). Looks like it may just be some force-fed marketing on Apple's part. Oh well .. took all of three seconds to drag them out of the toolbar in a *poof*

Diggory Laycock · 10:33 PM

Hmmm - am I going mad, or did the keyboard shortcut for view-source in Safari just change from command-option-v to command-option-u?

I find Safari faster - but I'd assumed that was because pithHelmet wasn't loaded.

[edit]
Hmmm2 - WebCore now seems to be case-sensitive in relation to CSS selectors. e.g. #fooBar will not match an element whose id="FooBar"

hldan · Apr 15, 2005, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by OAW

Safari is definitely a lot faster.

On another note, Safari Keywords no longer works. Hopefully an update will be forthcoming real soon.

OAW

Didn't you hear? There will be an update real soon, on April 29th 2005. Sorry for the pun but you set yourself up for that one.

Krusty · Apr 15, 2005, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Hmmm - am I going mad, or did the keyboard shortcut for view-source in Safari just change from command-option-v to command-option-u?

You are correct. My other Mac is still on 10.3.8 .. and the keyboard shortcut in Safari is 'V" rather than "U".

CIA · Apr 15, 2005, 10:31 PM

Holy crap Safari is waaaaaay faster, general OS seems a little better. The graphics drivers are better. My genie effect is much more smooth now when minimizing windows.

Dog Like Nature · Apr 15, 2005, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Krusty

added some junk bookmarks to the toolbar.

Yes, the original Safari bookmarks (Apple, Yahoo!, eBay, etc) were added to the end of my bookmarks bar too.

CharlesS · Apr 15, 2005, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

I just went to a site where I always get a pop-under ad and nothing happened

Sweet, I'm getting the same thing!

hldan · Apr 15, 2005, 10:48 PM

Yep Safari got a major update for me 2. It took until 10.3.9 but now I can do my online banking with Safari. Just transferred some funds without a hitch. Hopefully no problems with Tiger since I am upgrading the day it's released.

Oneota · Apr 15, 2005, 10:48 PM

[Edit: Whoops...didn't see that others already reported the adding-their-own-bookmarks-to-yours thing. My bad!]

Krusty · Apr 15, 2005, 10:51 PM

Just a note, I have Safari's debug menu visible and there is a note on the change from "V" to "U" for View Source.
Changed in Tiger to match "View Raw Source" in Mail
Sure enough, "Raw Source" in Mail is Command + Shift + U ... so the change was for consistency across apps.

arjay · Apr 15, 2005, 11:04 PM

Safari now crashes on startup for me; everytime.

Abit667 · Apr 15, 2005, 11:05 PM

Safari seems finally faster then firefox (even the g4 builds) when scrolling pages with a bunch of junk on them. Used to be one of the slowest and now I think it's the fastest. Might finally be a decent webbrowser for osx!

macgyvr64 · Apr 15, 2005, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by OAW

On another note, SafariKeywords no longer works. Hopefully an update will be forthcoming real soon.

Can anyone else confirm this? I can't live without SafariKeywords anymore, and I'd hate to see it break..

Cadaver · Apr 15, 2005, 11:19 PM

Maybe Apple finally removed the debug code

/obvious
//clich�
///still funny