[itai195]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
My purpose?! None. But i am wondering that you, more the man of "dry facts" are willing to be the first in line of fairytelling. So what's your purpose?
Again, check what's left of the Jessica Lynch myth - you support this kind of "journalism" ?
Regarding the hostage (and before the Zimtroll hits me) - it's sad that he is dead. I see that with the same sadness as to any other of the 10.000 victims in this war. But unlike most of them he had a choice of being there and so he decided. I don't see a place for bravery or heroism here.


PB.

Err, you don't see any particular problem with the intentional killing of a prisoner? This is a war crime.

[mr. natural]

Posted by SimeyTheLimey:

I already knew why he went there.

Since when did you gain psychic powers? The money had nothing to do with it?

It doesn't alter in any way what he died for.

Which, according to you, was all about, I guess, *doing something* (?) for "civilization."

That's a bit of a stretch. You and Bush, both with your delusions of Iraqi grandeur.

Last I heard most all of *civilization* said: Don't do it!

But now that the deed is done, and a very botched one at that, *civilization's* survival is on the line...?!?!

This is well worth mocking.

Hence, my disappointment is only for those with so little humanity and faith in civilization that they think it is appropriate to act in uncivilized ways, and then claim it was and is all about saving civilization.

Yeah, right.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by mr. natural:
Since when did you gain psychic powers? The money had nothing to do with it?

Because I listened to NPR. I already knew he went there attracted by the high pay. It simply doesn't matter. The only reason to bring it up is to belittle him, which I think is contemptible, but sadly, typical.

[mr. natural]

Posted by SimeyTheLimey:

Because I listened to NPR. I already knew he went there attracted by the high pay. It simply doesn't matter. The only reason to bring it up is to belittle him, which I think is contemptible, but sadly, typical.

I'd say it is utterly honest to his life and death, hence completely *honorable,* than to exclaim, as you do, that his presence in Iraq was about serving *civilization.* (Unless civilization is all about money; and that is what your post implied and why I asked.)

Unless you know for a fact that is what he felt, you are projecting according to your own beliefs. Now I ask, which is more contemptible: A life revealed with honesty or projected into self-serving myth?

P.S. - I suppose NPR and all other news stations who mentioned this about him are just doing so to belittle him too.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I see a nation rising up against incompetent occupation forces. They want freedom for sure, and the occupation forces seem unable to deliver. Away with them. These people are not terrorists. These people are freedom fighters. True patriots. You are in their country.

Fine, then I hope we send them the bill for taking down the former govt and allowing whomever steps in to take over. And if they don't we can repo what we need to to cover the cost.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by Powerbook:

Again, check what's left of the Jessica Lynch myth - you support this kind of "journalism" ?
Regarding the hostage (and before the Zimtroll hits me) - it's sad that he is dead. I see that with the same sadness as to any other of the 10.000 victims in this war. But unlike most of them he had a choice of being there and so he decided. I don't see a place for bravery or heroism here.


PB.

Oddly enough that's how I felt about Rachel Corrie.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by mr. natural:
(Unless civilization is all about money; and that is what your post implied and why I asked.)

Weird projection. Remember, I'm not a Socialist. I don't look for money incentives to explain everything. Nor do I see anything wrong in compensation.

He died for civilization because he was part of something of which the exact opposite is represented by the people who murdered him in cold blood. Can you really not comprehend that kidnapping a person, blindfolding them, and shooting them in cold blood on videotape is utterly uncivilized? That's the enemy. That's what we are fighting.

[angaq0k]

No one deserve to die from the hands of another.

[pooka]

Originally posted by angaq0k:
No one deserve to die from the hands of another.

Well, unless the other person thinks you're an asshole.

This thread sucks.

[Sven G]

Is our current society really all that "civilized", BTW? I highly doubt that - especially after the failure of "modernity", which supposedly should have brought to us all liberty and equality, at a worldwide level.

... Not exactly what is happening today, with the various (militarly forced) "democratization" processes...