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Oct 27, 2018, 07:58 PM
 
I stopped in to pick up my kid from middle school this week. They have a new protocol you have to stop and give your name and ID to a rent-a-senior at the door before going 10 feet down the hall to the office.

What good would that grandpa do, or a metal detector, or a police officer, to someone intent on causing harm? So many ways around this security theater.

I hate living in a world where I have to be frisked every time I have to enter a public building, amusement, or concert.
     
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Oct 28, 2018, 09:06 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I hate living in a world where I have to be frisked every time I have to enter a public building, amusement, or concert.
My wife and I went and did early voting yesterday at the county courthouse here. There were probably a hundred+ people in line. We both noted that they didn't have people entering the building through the metal detector (which they would have had it been a regular business day.) People just walked in and got in line. It seemed kind of odd, considering.
     
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Oct 28, 2018, 01:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I stopped in to pick up my kid from middle school this week. They have a new protocol you have to stop and give your name and ID to a rent-a-senior at the door before going 10 feet down the hall to the office.

What good would that grandpa do, or a metal detector, or a police officer, to someone intent on causing harm? So many ways around this security theater.

I hate living in a world where I have to be frisked every time I have to enter a public building, amusement, or concert.
As people shoot up more and more venues, they’ll be everywhere I’m sure.
     
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Oct 28, 2018, 11:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
My wife and I went and did early voting yesterday at the county courthouse here. There were probably a hundred+ people in line. We both noted that they didn't have people entering the building through the metal detector (which they would have had it been a regular business day.) People just walked in and got in line. It seemed kind of odd, considering.
Where I live and where I come from we don‘t have metal detectors at polling places either. It feels great not to have to worry about being shot. (I‘m not trying to be smug, I just want to point out that being concerned about getting shot when you vote or you bring your kids to school or go to synagogue is not normal and should never be considered normal.)
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Oct 29, 2018, 08:38 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
...I just want to point out that being concerned about getting shot when you vote or you bring your kids to school or go to synagogue is not normal and should never be considered normal.)
Oh, I agree completely. I was just pointing out that, had it been during the workweek, they would have made everyone enter through the metal detectors but, since it was a weekend, they didn't. That and, given that Indiana is a pretty blood-red state, making sure everyone was just a little concerned would have been par for the course.
     
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Oct 29, 2018, 11:18 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Where I live and where I come from we don‘t have metal detectors at polling places either. It feels great not to have to worry about being shot. (I‘m not trying to be smug, I just want to point out that being concerned about getting shot when you vote or you bring your kids to school or go to synagogue is not normal and should never be considered normal.)
Sure you don't live under constant threat of violence from any citizen, but I can't imagine anyone sleeps well at night knowing that when tyranny comes their being disarmed by the government will render them helpless.
     
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Oct 29, 2018, 09:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Sure you don't live under constant threat of violence from any citizen, but I can't imagine anyone sleeps well at night knowing that when tyranny comes their being disarmed by the government will render them helpless.
Yup, that is what keeps the Japanese people up at night … 
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Oct 30, 2018, 02:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Sure you don't live under constant threat of violence from any citizen, but I can't imagine anyone sleeps well at night knowing that when tyranny comes their being disarmed by the government will render them helpless.
Are you serious?
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Aug 3, 2019, 06:59 PM
 
19 dead in an El Paso Wal*Mart today. Surprisingly, the shooter was taken alive.
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Aug 3, 2019, 08:31 PM
 
Texas has an enthusiastic death penalty. He'll be alive for a few years, until the appeals run out.

I've never figured out the appeal to shooting innocent strangers. If he's pissed at the government, he might pick a gov office. Or if pissed at Wal*Mart, their local HQ. But why shoot anyone handy?
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
I've never figured out the appeal to shooting innocent strangers. If he's pissed at the government, he might pick a gov office. Or if pissed at Wal*Mart, their local HQ. But why shoot anyone handy?
Because they're easily identifiable as members of a racial/religious/ethnic group that the shooter sees as an enemy?
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Aug 4, 2019, 08:27 AM
 
And, now we have at least 9 dead in Dayton.
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Texas has an enthusiastic death penalty. He'll be alive for a few years, until the appeals run out.

I've never figured out the appeal to shooting innocent strangers. If he's pissed at the government, he might pick a gov office. Or if pissed at Wal*Mart, their local HQ. But why shoot anyone handy?
They weren't handy though, he drove from Dallas to El Paso on purpose to hit a higher percentage of Latino-descended people. Reasons? It wasn't because he was pissed at the government, he was encouraged by his government. His page was full of proTrump rhetoric.
     
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Aug 6, 2019, 05:57 AM
 
Trump's speech was possibly the most hypocritical, inept thing I have ever heard.
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Aug 6, 2019, 02:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
They weren't handy though, he drove from Dallas to El Paso on purpose to hit a higher percentage of Latino-descended people. Reasons? It wasn't because he was pissed at the government, he was encouraged by his government. His page was full of proTrump rhetoric.
And the Dayton killer’s Twitter feed was full of lefty tweets and supported Warren
https://www.apnews.com/bdcdc166ee814e069edda52bee6c460e

A Twitter account appearing to be from the gunman who killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio, showed tweets labeling himself a “leftist,” bemoaning the election of President Donald Trump, supporting Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and encouraging people to cut fences of immigrant detention centers.
The El Paso killer was more of a lefty than anything.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...cle.aspx/24256

First, the shooter expresses his disdain for both major parties; he decries the Democrats’ open-borders policies while also declaring that “the Republican Party is also terrible,” since the GOP, he says, is “pro-corporation,” and “pro-corporation = pro-immigration.”
The section of his manifesto entitled “Economic Reasons” is by far the most shocking part, in terms of directly contradicting the media spin that this shooter was somehow far-right. He explicitly expresses his support for “a basic universal income,” which he says is the only thing that can “prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest.” He then goes on to support “ambitious social projects like universal healthcare.” Later, he claims that the American lifestyle “is destroying the environment of our country,” and that “the decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.”
So clearly this killer supports some of the most openly socialist policies in American political discourse today, including universal income, socialized medicine, and a belief in “global warming.” Yet, according to the media, he is somehow just another “far-right” shooter who has been motivated by President Trump.
Most interestingly, the shooter does mention President Trump…but not in the way the Democrats would hope. Towards the end of his “manifesto,” this Leftist murderer admits that his “ideology has not changed for several years,” and that his “opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president.”

In the most direct refutation of the inevitable media spin, he even admits that “I’m putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.”

In a macabre self-fulfilling prophecy, he then states “The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.”
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Aug 7, 2019, 12:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The El Paso killer was more of a lefty than anything.
Yes, we get it - you're obsessed with labels, and you can't understand people that exist outside of a neat little box.

First, the shooter expresses his disdain for both major parties; he decries the Democrats’ open-borders policies while also declaring that “the Republican Party is also terrible,
All ardent Trump supporters hate the Republican party. Trump was elected because people were tired of both parties and traditional politicians.

The statement, "The Republican Party is terrible!" has nothing to do with whether or not someone supports Trump.

“ideology has not changed for several years,” and that his “opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president.”
Yes - what has become obvious in the past few years is that many, many Americans have held these opinions since long before Trump, but only recently have they felt empowered enough to express them in public. Those opinions are being made mainstream by the President and the media doing everything they can to whip up fear and hatred. And then surprise surprise, we see a huge increase in domestic terrorism, very often aimed at the people that the President and the media are painting as the enemy - Democrats, CNN, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans.

You can pretend that there's no correlation there, and you would have plenty of company sitting in that position.

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