[Zoom]

Haven't heard anything decent from MacRumors, AppleInsider or ThinkSecret since the PowerMac G5's were updated. Where is the last-minute flurry of rumors and leaks?

[Joe Cool]

Updated iMacs..... how knows what else

[Zoom]

Yeah, there have been (in the recent past) rumors of iMac G5's and new displays, but nothing recently. Seems like someone always has some sort of updated rumors in the final week or two, but it's been silent. Maybe in the next couple days...

[djohnson]

Remember, noone knew of the original iMac when it was released.

[Zoom]

Another question... will WWDC keynote be simulcast on the web? Is there any precedent for this?

[gator]

Originally posted by Zoom:
Another question... will WWDC keynote be simulcast on the web? Is there any precedent for this?

Last year they had one; it was a delayed webcast.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by gator:
Last year they had one; it was a delayed webcast.

I thought it was live?

[osxisfun]

it was live via sat. i watched it in an apple store.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Non-G5 iMac's.

[SSharon]

My local Apple Store is selling quite a few iPods that were demo floor models and that makes me a bit suspicious. Could color full size ipods be in our future who knows. As long as I get one for free with a laptop purchase I don't care which one it is.

[SafariX]

Originally posted by SSharon:
My local Apple Store is selling quite a few iPods that were demo floor models and that makes me a bit suspicious. Could color full size ipods be in our future who knows. As long as I get one for free with a laptop purchase I don't care which one it is.

Has apple ever given away an iPod with a notebook purchase? I don't ever recall that happening. They have issued nice discounts, however, on iPods purchased simultaneously with PowerBooks IIRC.

[superfula]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Non-G5 iMac's.

Here here. I think it would be quite humorous to come back here after TheSteve announces speed-bumped iMacs and no-G5s. Oh how the people will be whining.

[Zoom]

Originally posted by superfula:
Here here. I think it would be quite humorous to come back here after TheSteve announces speed-bumped iMacs and no-G5s. Oh how the people will be whining.

They should whine. G4 iMacs are a joke and they're not selling. Why should anyone be anxious to see non-G5 iMacs? You can pat yourself on the back for predicting the demise of the product line, but personally I'd be praying to God I was wrong if I felt that way, not feeling smug.

People keep saying it'll never show up in an iMac prior to a PowerBook, but I honestly don't see why the two should be related. Why would anyone purposely hobble a desktop system in order to keep it behind a portable system? Who would be upset if a consumer desktop, with completely different heating/cooling characteristics, form factor, and target market, was "ahead" of a professional laptop? Does Dell do this? Sony? Toshiba?

I guess my point is that we should all be rooting for each product line, independently, to kick butt.

I also happen to think a G5 iMac now makes a lot of sense (see discussion in this thread). G5's are cooler than G4's in this 1.4-1.8Ghz range, they may even be cheaper, and the PowerMacs are now all dual-CPU. Apple's consumer and pro lines are clearly divided by CPU count. Apple is now free to put G5's in the iMac. I can definitely see how Apple would want to keep an obvious deliniation between its consumer and pro desktop lines, and this is now a no-brainer.

Of course, just because it makes a lot of sense doesn't mean it will happen. However, my guess is that Apple wouldn't wait to update the iMacs at WWDC unless the update was significant. Look at the PM's. That update was incremental, nothing major, and they defused that situation by releasing them early with no fanfare. There's no way Steve would get up and do his usual song and dance about a speed-bumped iMac. He'd be booed off stage, and we all know his ego wouldn't stand for that.

So, I predict G5 iMacs on or around WWDC. I will even be so bold as to "predict" (there are already rumors of this) a completely redesigned iMac.

[videian28]

my prediction is a multibutton apple mouse

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by videian28:
my prediction is a multibutton apple mouse

I think we'll see Pentiums in our Macs before we see them ship with multi-button mice.

[iNeusch]

You're gonna say I'm just crazy and that it'll never happen...
my prediction is that Apple is going to create a portable music player based on a HD, that will play music from iTunes or from a new "Music Store"

you'll see !

[hldan]

Originally posted by iNeusch:
You're gonna say I'm just crazy and that it'll never happen...
my prediction is that Apple is going to create a portable music player based on a HD, that will play music from iTunes or from a new "Music Store"

you'll see !

You're right, you're crazy.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Non-G5 iMac's.

No question, there WILL be a G5-ified replacement to the current iMac2. 1.6-1.8 GHz for sure, or maybe even 2.0 GHz.

Another rumour: 30" 2560x1600 displays.
Eug's take: Possible, but will not work with a single ADC cable because of the high resolution.

Another (wonky) rumour: Apple projector.
Eug's take: Possible, and if true will be DLP, possibly with 1080 HD support.

[metfoo]

new displays with the aluminum design

new mouse with a scroll wheel similar to the ipod

802.11b/g remote for airtunes

10.4 - WWDC beta builds


http://www.detroitmac.com

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by metfoo:
802.11b/g remote for airtunes

Yeah, I SOOO want this, but I don't expect it at WWDC.

[Turias]

Originally posted by metfoo:
new mouse with a scroll wheel similar to the ipod

Huh? You mean a scroll wheel that takes up half the space of the mouse? Not going to happen. Apple is going to stick with a 1 button mouse for a long, long time.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by gator:
Last year they had one; it was a delayed webcast.

Last year was far more important from a marketing point of view (what with the whole G5 thing). I wouldn't expect anything on that scale this year. Still, if there are any new announcements interesting to the general public I'd expect to see a delayed webcast but nothing more than that.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
No question, there WILL be a G5-ified replacement to the current iMac2. 1.6-1.8 GHz for sure, or maybe even 2.0 GHz.

Another rumour: 30" 2560x1600 displays.
Eug's take: Possible, but will not work with a single ADC cable because of the high resolution.

Another (wonky) rumour: Apple projector.
Eug's take: Possible, and if true will be DLP, possibly with 1080 HD support.

AI talks about the 30 incher

Of the three new displays, the 23-inch and 30-inch will be High Definition (HD) displays, with the new 30-inch display supporting a maximum resolution of 2560 x 1600 pixels. All models are said to include two FireWire ports in addition to a built in two-port USB hub.

According to sources, the new 30-inch display could not be powered through the company's traditional Apple Display Connector (ADC), and as a result the revised models are said to feature a new Digital Visual Interface (DVI) connector.

[Eug Wanker]

[osxisfun]

screw that. I'm buying a third 20" apple lcd instead

mmmmm... more pixels.

I wonder how many of these could be hooked up to a single mac. prob just one since the vid card needed to drive the rez?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by osxisfun:
I wonder how many of these could be hooked up to a single mac. prob just one since the vid card needed to drive the rez?

Yeah, probably just one.

1) Resolution too high for DVI/ADC.
2) Power too much for ADC.

[mosespatrader]

I was getting sick and tired of waiting for new displays. I was getting ready to drop the $1299 on a 20" Cinema Display this evening at the Austin Apple Store.

Now after seeing the artist rendition on Appleinsider.com I will do my best to wait up to 7 more days. The artist rendition looks beautiful!

cheers, scott.

[The Placid Casual]

Originally posted by mosespatrader:
I was getting sick and tired of waiting for new displays. I was getting ready to drop the $1299 on a 20" Cinema Display this evening at the Austin Apple Store.

Now after seeing the artist rendition on Appleinsider.com I will do my best to wait up to 7 more days. The artist rendition looks beautiful!

cheers, scott.

The artist is a regular over at AI... he comes up with some amazing stuff!

[OreoCookie]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
I think we'll see Pentiums in our Macs before we see them ship with multi-button mice.

Yes, because Steve said so. He apparently doesn't like multi-button mice.

[macaddict0001]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Yeah, probably just one.

1) Resolution too high for DVI/ADC.
2) Power too much for ADC.

The resolution is way too high but the power would probably work for ADC but not the g5 becaus ewith a G5 drawing as many watts as an average microwave oven these days How much higher can we go for household outletts yeah about 3 times as much so in 6-8 years we will need a new standard for our electricle outlets or you will blow a fuse just by turning your computer on.

[Super Glitcher]

Steve is retarded.
I'm using this Kensington StudioMouse and I'll NEVER use another stupid Apple 'one-click' mouse again as long as I live... . buying this mouse was like getting a new computer.

Steve is dumb! Three-button mice all the way!

[Super Glitcher]

and oh yeah... WWDC

� Complete update of entire display line
� Updated iMac
� Motion (oh yeah!!)
� Color iPod


I was reading some article talking about the 'slowness' of the G5 updates, the guy said the G6 was going to be released next year anyway... what's up with that? I haven't heard a thing....

[videian28]

no one believes my mouse prediction

IT WILL HAPPEN

[OreoCookie]

Originally posted by Super Glitcher:
Steve is retarded.
I'm using this Kensington StudioMouse and I'll NEVER use another stupid Apple 'one-click' mouse again as long as I live... . buying this mouse was like getting a new computer.

Steve is dumb! Three-button mice all the way!

But Steve said so ...

[Super Glitcher]

Originally posted by OreoCookie:
But Steve said so ...

But Steve is still retarded
and it doesn't matter anyway- I already gave away my mouse money to Kensington

[Superchicken]

iPods at the WWDC is a stupid idea. If it happens fine, but... it's still stupid.

Anyway, uhh... my prediction, no iMac G5s, I don't think Apple would have said they're not coming if they were.

The new displays sure. Tiger OK. I think Tiger might be a bit of a show stopper... don't see how it could be but who knows... Apple has kinda unvailed everything just weeks before the show...

[Super Glitcher]

he must only have one finger

[Lateralus]

People make too big of a deal over the mouse, I think. Who would honestly use it if Apple did include a mouse with more than one button? I know I probably wouldn't. I'd sell it on eBay and whip out my ergonomic Logitech. I have never used the 'stock mouse' with any machine I have ever owned, including PCs. Nor have any of my friends.

[ratlater]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
iPods at the WWDC is a stupid idea. If it happens fine, but... it's still stupid.

Anyway, uhh... my prediction, no iMac G5s, I don't think Apple would have said they're not coming if they were.

The new displays sure. Tiger OK. I think Tiger might be a bit of a show stopper... don't see how it could be but who knows... Apple has kinda unvailed everything just weeks before the show...

There has to be more than just displays and Tiger. If Steve is going to give a 2 hour keynote I figure he spends a max of 30 minutes on Tiger, and maybe 10 on displays. He'll probably trump up airTunes a bit and new G5s. Talk about how successful the iTunes music store is and how many gazillion iPods they have sold. I only see that stuff taking an hour though...maybe a few minutes more. Gotta be something else to fill the time. I'd bet on iPods more than new mice or iMacs though.

-matt

[osxisfun]

unless i am mistaken, he spent waaayyy more then 30 minutes on 10.3 last year.

my picks:

airport express talk (little bit itunes store talk)
displays (secret 17")

tiger
imac g5

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by osxisfun:
unless i am mistaken, he spent waaayyy more then 30 minutes on 10.3 last year.

my picks:

airport express talk (little bit itunes store talk)
displays (secret 17")

tiger
imac g5

I just checked (I have a copy of the keynote) and he spent almost 50 minutes on it. Ah... I remember how fun that was.

[osxisfun]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
I just checked (I have a copy of the keynote) and he spent almost 50 minutes on it. Ah... I remember how fun that was.

I actually GASPED when he hit the expose button the first time...

[MaxPower2k3]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
No question, there WILL be a G5-ified replacement to the current iMac2. 1.6-1.8 GHz for sure, or maybe even 2.0 GHz.

Another rumour: 30" 2560x1600 displays.
Eug's take: Possible, but will not work with a single ADC cable because of the high resolution.

Another (wonky) rumour: Apple projector.
Eug's take: Possible, and if true will be DLP, possibly with 1080 HD support.

The projector is an odd rumor, but I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that it will not be 1080p. There are currently no consumer devices out that use this chip (I believe it's the HD3+, but I could be mistaken) and the rear-projection sets using this chip slated for a holiday release are expected to be in the $7000 range. Knowing how expensive projectors are, that would make it at least $10,000, if not $15,000 or more. Unless Apple suddenly enters the high-end Home Theater market, I don't see that happening.


As for the display, it seems like such an impractical solution to require two graphics ports. That means that anyone who already has a Cinema Display and wants to get the 30" in addition either has to buy another graphics card or is stuck with a display they can't use.
Also, they'd have to improve the graphics drivers to allow both outputs to be seamlessly combined and act as one display in the OS. It wouldn't be good if games saw it as two separate displays and only showed the game on half the screen.

Edit: this this theoretical, but:

The DVI spec allows for resolutions up to 2048x1536 in Dual-Link mode. That's 3,145,728 pixels. If you want a 16x9 resolution with that area you can find it with:

3145728 = 16x * 9x = 144x^2

x = 147 (rounded down slightly)

So that means you can get a 16x9 resolution of approximately 2352x1323 on a single DVI connection. I think that would be the better choice for a larger panel; even though you're sacrificing some resolution, you're also getting rid of a lot of possible problems and people who already own Cinema Displays who would be very unhappy at not being able to get one of the new displays.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by MaxPower2k3:
So that means you can get a 16x9 resolution of approximately 2352x1323 on a single DVI connection. I think that would be the better choice for a larger panel; even though you're sacrificing some resolution, you're also getting rid of a lot of possible problems and people who already own Cinema Displays who would be very unhappy at not being able to get one of the new displays.

Except that nobody makes 2352x1323 screens, and LG already makes 2560x1600 30" 16:10 screens.

[videian28]

I disagree on the mouse, the apple mouse is a very well made solid mouse, the only issue with it is the lack of features (EXTREME lack of features)

if it had 2 buttons and a scroller I would use it, and so would alot of others

[MaxPower2k3]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Except that nobody makes 2352x1323 screens, and LG already makes 2560x1600 30" 16:10 screens.

ah, i didn't know that (haven't been reading the rumor sites recently). That's interesting, then, and I wonder if Apple will come up with a more elegant solution than using two graphics ports, which I still think will make quite a few people unhappy. What about some kind of PCI (or maybe PCI-X) daughter card that supplies the extra resolution?


Edit: 2560x1600 at 32bpp and 60Hz is almost 8 gigabits... I don't know of any current technology that can transmit that. Even HDMI, which is just starting to be seen in consumer products, only supports up to 5 gigabits.

[videian28]

maybe we will finally see that pro level graphics card?

[FauxCaster]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
People make too big of a deal over the mouse, I think. Who would honestly use it if Apple did include a mouse with more than one button? I know I probably wouldn't. I'd sell it on eBay and whip out my ergonomic Logitech. I have never used the 'stock mouse' with any machine I have ever owned, including PCs. Nor have any of my friends.

I agree in theory and practice, but a non-single button mouse would take away one bullet point from the mac-haters' list. And it would make switchers feel a little better out of the box.

[3.1416]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
my prediction, no iMac G5s, I don't think Apple would have said they're not coming if they were.

When did Apple say they weren't coming? They've said it's a challenge, which doesn't mean impossible. If iMacs were just getting faster G4s, why wouldn't they have been updated alongside the eMacs? It certainly isn't something Steve would want to brag about at WWDC; the silence would be deafening. Meanwhile the all-dual tower lineup leaves a huge gap for a single-processor G5.

I'm more confident of a G5 iMac this year than I was of the G5 towers last year.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally posted by 3.1416:
When did Apple say they weren't coming?

About 2 weeks ago, they said no G5 powerbooks or iMac's this year.