[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
There's a flaw in your thinking, Logic (!). How was Nazi Germany secular when they were eliminating people who were not Christian or seen to be of a different race? Or in Mussolini's Italy where Aryanism was taught? You have posted images of non-seculars of which many Popes, Imams and Ayatollahs are included.

The Nazis had it out for the Christians as well.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/endC.htm

They wanted to destroy Christianity. One of their main goals.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
Having faith in someone or something is experiential. Many who claim agnosticism or atheism as their faith have simply not experienced God yet.

I used to be a hippy Grateful Dead fan and a garbage pail addict. You name the drug, I did it. I was working in a restaurant and this guy began telling me about the validity of the Bible. Yeah, ok. So I argued with him for months. Told him he was stuck in the stone age with that archaic book. There's good in all religion, I'd tell him. Finally he said he wouldn't argue with me anymore and that I could discover the truth of the Bible on my own or not.

One morning on a whim I opened a Bible to a scripture in the Book of Acts (22:16): "And now, why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the Name of the Lord." In the instant I read it I EXPERIENCED something I had never experienced before. I knew I needed to do what this said, not doubting. So, I went to my co-worker's church and was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. When I came up out of the water I felt like I was floating, like I was pure and clean like only something supernatural could do. I experienced God's mercy. When I got home that night I through all my drugs, pipes, etc. out and have not had a drink or drug since--that was over 7 years ago. No 12 step plan, just the result of an awesome experience with God.

A couple months later, I was praising Jesus by lifting my hands and singing when He filled my with His Spirit and I began to speak in a language I'd never spoken in before. Experience.

Today I am a Bible study teacher, baptizing deacon, and small group leader in my church. I am not bragging about this. I just wanted to share with you my experience with God, and to tell you that He is alive and real and that He wants you to experience Him, too.

You can reject this if you want. But it is my experience and stands as just that. However, I have seen this type of incredible change happen in a very many people that have come to God hungry and sick of the grossness and destructive sin in their lives.

Experience Jesus today and you will be changed forever.

x 12

[sixz]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
Experience Jesus today and you will be changed forever.

brknvsl, I apologize but I feel that everything is open
and nothing sacred in the land of the thinking man.
My thoughts are just that and not a physical attack.





A cartoon - is all it is - a cartoon solution to life - a cartoon way of life.


For cartoon lovers everywhere here is a toon for you.
Having lived a full life - traveled, been both creative
and destructive, for my world view - Heres a cartoon analogy formulated
from all the peoples I have met - is that the religious are
mentally just children (extreme highs and lows in temperament,
a world view that mixes their fears and imagination with the
prosaic real world ).
Agnostics are teenagers (emotionally confused, unsure of themselves
but open to the endless possibilities of their imaginations)
and atheists are adults (realists who understand the difference between
what they can dream of and the reality of existence and the imagination
of his fellow man).

[Zimphire]

Wow sixz I see you are still trying to spread the word. Haven't you convinced yourself yet?

And yes you are right. I am still just a child. We all are. Some fail to understand, or admit it. Some think too highly of themselves and they become their own God.

11 "that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false..."

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow sixz I see you are still trying to spread the word. Haven't you convinced yourself yet?

Obviously not, maybe he'll think differently when puberty sets in.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The Nazis had it out for the Christians as well.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/endC.htm

They wanted to destroy Christianity. One of their main goals.

Stupidest conspiracy theory ever.

[brknvsl]

and atheists are adults (realists who understand the difference between
what they can dream of and the reality of existence and the imagination
of his fellow man).

Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-4:

"Assuredly, I say to you, unless you become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

[sixz]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-4:

"Assuredly, I say to you, unless you become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

That's my point entirely - do as I say or you
will be punished is the logic of a frightened child.

Forever will you walk the backwards dog
for that bad poetry will keep you in the fog.
with your head down the bog.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by sixz:
That's my point entirely - do as I say or you
will be punished is the logic of a frightened child.

Forever will you walk the backwards dog
for that bad poetry will keep you in the fog.
with your head down the bog.

I've often wondered why you're so blind that you can't see that spirituality has nothing to do with fear? You've only succeeded in creating your own "boogeyman" to rationalize things within your own limited scope. It boggles the mind how: 1) you're incapable of understanding that there's more to this existence than your own views, 2) that you can believe that everyone else is wrong simply because you haven't "seen" it. I would argue that that mentality is far more childish.

It's pretty funny actually. Those of us who have definitely experienced more just sit and shake our heads at your comments.

[brknvsl]

That's my point entirely - do as I say or you
will be punished is the logic of a frightened child.

No. A child is trusting, hopeful, innocent, caring, inquisitive, loving without expecting something in return, teachable, moldable. Jesus is saying to us never to get so hardened and full of ourselves that we aren't like this.

I appreciate your stance on the existance of God. The truth is, though, that even if you don't believe in Him He can and does still exist. It sounds to me like you don't want to put yourself in His care, that's all. Maybe you haven't met a big enough bully in your life yet. Truth: Jesus died for your sins, was buried in a tomb for three days, and was ressurected (the Gospel message).

[sixz]

Originally posted by MacNStein:


It's pretty funny actually. Those of us who have definitely experienced more just sit and shake our heads at your comments. :err:

Probably shaking your head so much it's
spinning and making you a little light headed.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by sixz:
Probably shaking your head so much it's
spinning and making you a little light headed.

Not nearly as light as yours, apparently.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-4:

"Assuredly, I say to you, unless you become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

Being humble and gullible is the perfect way to be ruled over and told what to do.

[sixz]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
No. A child is trusting, hopeful, innocent, caring, inquisitive, loving without expecting something in return, teachable, moldable.

I see you have never worked with children.

It's a nice story but it's still got a god that hides
behind a paradox that happens to make it fall into
the category of artificial story.

No benign god would allow a person to be born
in a muslim country and so culturally not accept
JC as his savior - because of the way they were
brought up.

An all powerful omnipotent all seeing all knowing
god would not play parables and tricks on a few
monkeys in a far off corner of the universe.
If there is no time - everything has already happened, if
there is no point to his existence but to play a missing
caretaker, that is just megalomaniacal human storytelling
par excellence.

It's a game only a mortal could conceive of - life as
a test for an eternity of salvation.

... and this heaven you all wish to for, is just a
bodiless slave - nothing happens except eternally
praising your master - you are a slave in life as you
would want to be a slave in death.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Stupidest conspiracy theory ever.

Conspiracy? Did you even read it? They have documented proof.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by sixz:
That's my point entirely - do as I say or you
will be punished is the logic of a frightened child.

No, not frightened. I didn't do what my dad said because I was afraid of him. I did so out of respect. You are proving again, you really don't get it.

Forever will you walk the backwards dog
for that bad poetry will keep you in the fog.
with your head down the bog.

The only bad poetry I read is the crap you post in here. It's like a broken record.

You are bound by your own dog, and don't see it.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by sixz:
brknvsl, I apologize but I feel that everything is open
and nothing sacred in the land of the thinking man.
My thoughts are just that and not a physical attack.

BTW, FIXED.



(Don't link images off my server thx)

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

No, not frightened. I didn't do what my dad said because I was afraid of him. I did so out of respect. You are proving again, you really don't get it.


The only bad poetry I read is the crap you post in here. It's like a broken record.

You are bound by your own dog, and don't see it. [/B]

Let's just go back to ignoring his asinine quatrains. The kid's definitely got issues and needs to sort these things out on his own. Life willl be his teacher, not us.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Let's just go back to ignoring his asinine quatrains. The kid's definitely got issues and needs to sort these things out on his own. Life willl be his teacher, not us.

I just found that post of his humorous.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I just found that post of his humorous.

Yeah, many of them are, but the conversaions go nowhere and his logic is painful. Every time I get into a "talk" with him I feel like I'm devolving.

[sixz]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Let's just go back to ignoring his asinine quatrains. The kid's definitely got issues and needs to sort these things out on his own. Life willl be his teacher, not us.

I have lived more 'life' than you.

As an artist I have created and known
the joy of children, love and to care
for my fellow man.

As a soldier I have killed and know
the meaning of sacrifice.

I have lived everyday a full day.
I know no fear and am not a child.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by sixz:
As an artist I have created and known
the joy of children

sixz = Michael Jackson?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by sixz:
I have lived more 'life' than you.

As an artist I have created and known
the joy of children, love and to care
for my fellow man.

As a soldier I have killed and know
the meaning of sacrifice.

I have lived everyday a full day.
I know no fear and am not a child.

Sorry, I don't believe you. You sound too much like a 13 year-old pseudo-intellectual pimple-popper.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yeah, many of them are, but the conversaions go nowhere and his logic is painful. Every time I get into a "talk" with him I feel like I'm devolving.

He is just a rainbow in the dark.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
sixz = Michael Jackson?

No, Michael has talent, twisted though he may be.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Sorry, I don't believe you. You sound too much like a 13 year-old pseudo-intellectual pimple-popper.

Do you ever wonder what people think you sound like?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Do you ever wonder what people think you sound like?

I really don't care. What they wonder is their problem.

and I don't post in some screwed up type of meter either.

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
If you study Protestant Theology and the original texts of the Bible, you'd know that what you just stated is incorrect. Jesus WAS God's "get out fo jail free card" (if I may sound so disrespectful to Him).

sorry, that's not what i meant. though this might sound related, it's actually not.

i was talking about people, who commit "crimes" and "sins", if you will, knowing that if they accept true faith before the die everything will be a-okay in the afterlife department.

things they otherwise wouldn't do.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Do you ever wonder what people think you sound like?

Do you care what Bozo the Clown thinks of you?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
sorry, that's not what i meant. though this might sound related, it's actually not.

i was talking about people, who commit "crimes" and "sins", if you will, knowing that if they accept true faith before the die everything will be a-okay in the afterlife department.

things they otherwise wouldn't do.

Then I would say they're probably not very sincere when they do repent, thus making thier attempt rather pointless, from a Christian perspective.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Do you care what Bozo the Clown thinks of you?

DAMN IT ZIMPH!! You made spit/spray tea on my KB and monitor!

[voodoo]

Religious, Christian.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Religious, Christian.

But you're liberal! You can't be Christian!

j/k

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
sorry, that's not what i meant. though this might sound related, it's actually not.

i was talking about people, who commit "crimes" and "sins", if you will, knowing that if they accept true faith before the die everything will be a-okay in the afterlife department.

things they otherwise wouldn't do.

Ah, gotcha.



Maury

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I really don't care. What they wonder is their problem.

Do you think they care about what you say then? Think about it. You go around with your chin up acting like some spiritual Pope wannabe authority and then you attack people who don't agree with you on any matter. How spiritually inclined does that make you?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Do you think they care about what you say then? Think about it. You go around with your chin up acting like some spiritual Pope wannabe authority and then you attack people who don't agree with you on any matter. How spiritually inclined does that make you?

Yes, I am a bit arrogant, but I am an authority in these matters. It goes with having a couple PhDs on the subject. And FWIW, I only attack or "smackdown on" one person... and even that is fairly uncommon, only when they get to be a bit too abusive or annoying. I consider it a public service.

[sixz]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yes, I am a bit arrogant, but I am an authority in these matters. It goes with having a couple PhDs on the subject...

'Theology' - that's like having a couple of PhDs
on fantasy literature and advanced D&D studies.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by sixz:
'Theology' - that's like having a couple of PhDs
on fantasy literature and advanced D&D studies.

Oh how wish I could be like you, so vapid and vacant. Then I wouldn't have to worry about such things. My life would be complete.

Hey kid, your mom's calling, it's time for dinner.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh how wish I could be like you, so vapid and vacant. Then I wouldn't have to worry about such things. My life would be complete.

Hey kid, your mom's calling, it's time for dinner.

obviously a phd type of retort or a childish attempt at at an insult by referring to the other person as a child...eh?

[sixz]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh how wish I could be like you, ...

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yes, I am a bit arrogant, but I am an authority in these matters. It goes with having a couple PhDs on the subject.

Genius

Imagine, all those years earning PhDs in order to post crap on an internet forum under an alias.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by sixz:
'Theology' - that's like having a couple of PhDs
on fantasy literature and advanced D&D studies.

Logical and rational answer. They should give PhDs in RPG gaming too.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by quandarry:
obviously a phd type of retort or a childish attempt at at an insult by referring to the other person as a child...eh?

A childish comment deserved a childish reply. He seldom acts like anything more than a teenage kid who's pissed at his parents for making him go to sunday school. I've simply reached my saturation point in regards to his idiocy and snipes.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Genius

Imagine, all those years earning PhDs in order to post crap on an internet forum under an alias.

Hey, everyone needs a hobby.

[deomacius]

For all the enlightened agnostics, humanists and other non religious people in this forum. Is compassion or humility any part of the belief system you hold? If so, why do you feel it's necessary to be so callous and rude to people who choose to believe differently than you? Does it further you're point in the eyes of the person or people you are trying to convince? I'm aware that there are rude comments tossed around on both sides of the debate, but neither side shows itself as being the "Better" or "Enlightened" side when it comes down to this. Just a thought.

[ringo68]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
If you study Protestant Theology and the original texts of the Bible, you'd know that what you just stated is incorrect. Jesus WAS God's "get out fo jail free card" (if I may sound so disrespectful to Him). THAT was the WHOLE point. Man couldn't gain his salvation to restore his relationship with God, so God did the work by sending Jesus.

The Bible is full of this "thinking," and if you read it and study it, it's hard *not* to see this.

Maury

AhahhahAha. I was going to talk about you being a mindless right winged bible thumping freak who should go kill a minority or something, but I don't want to get banned.

- Rob

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by ringo68:
AhahhahAha. I was going to talk about you being a mindless right winged bible thumping freak who should go kill a minority or something, but I don't want to get banned.

- Rob

Hm. That makes no sense at all insofar as the post you quoted.

And as I've said in other religious" threads, it's funny how some people can't even post without resorting to name calling, bastardizing, etc. when people discuss their faith. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I'm...

1) Mindless
2) Right-winged
3) A Bible Thumper
4) A Freak
5) A murderer
6) A racist

You do such an excellent job of intelligently discussing your views and opinions, Rob.

Maury

[ringo68]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Hm. That makes no sense at all insofar as the post you quoted.

And as I've said in other religious" threads, it's funny how some people can't even post without resorting to name calling, bastardizing, etc. when people discuss their faith. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I'm...

1) Mindless
2) Right-winged
3) A Bible Thumper
4) A Freak
5) A murderer
6) A racist

You do such an excellent job of intelligently discussing your views and opinions, Rob.

Maury

Thanks. Did you know that newborn babies are sinners?

- Rob

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ringo68:
Thanks. Did you know that newborn babies are sinners?

- Rob

Rob, you do know of course that there is such a thing as an age of accountability? This is when a young person reaches the age where they understand that they're doing something wrong. It varies from person to person, their emotional and intellectual maturity plays a great part of it, and most people reach it between the ages of 6 and 10. When you reach that level you should probably start watching what you say and do.

Just a friendly "heads up" for ya.

[ringo68]

Doesn't matter. Newborn baby= human= man= sinner.

According to jesus the newborn is a sinner.

- Rob