[brknvsl]

Yes, newborn babies are sinners. The Bible says that "none are born righteous, no not one." They, too, need a Savior. What's your point?

[ringo68]

My point is that Christianity is not 'mind boggling', it's STUPID. Any religon that allows rapists, mass murders, and people responsible for genocide into heaven, thinks newborn babies are sinners, contradicts itself left and right, has complete filth in it's good book including gangbangs and explicit sex acts, kills tons of people for no reason, and removes all personal responsiblity is a complete waste of time. Oh yeah, and there's no evidence whatsoever that god even exists.



- Ca$h

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ringo68:
Doesn't matter. Newborn baby= human= man= sinner.

According to jesus the newborn is a sinner.

- Rob

No, that's according to Augustine and Calvin (not the one of Calvin and Hobbes fame either, FYI).

What Jesus said:

Matt 18:3 "Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Seems he thinks their rather spotless.

or here...

Matt 19:13 "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Blameless and faultless as "little children", and if there's no fault, there's no sin either.

[ringo68]

Christianity makes so much sense:

God Hates Shrimp


Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord, just as gays are an abomination. Why stop at protesting gay marriage? Bring all of God's law unto the heathens and the sodomites. We call upon all Christians to join the crusade against Long John Silver's and Red Lobster. Yea, even Popeye's shall be cleansed. The name of Bubba shall be anathema. We must stop the unbelievers from destroying the sanctity of our restaurants.


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Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


WWW.GODHATESSHRIMP.COM

- Ca$h

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
Yes, newborn babies are sinners. The Bible says that "none are born righteous, no not one." They, too, need a Savior. What's your point?

And that's part of the Pauline/Calvinist doctrine that drives me nuts.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ringo68:
Christianity makes so much sense:

God Hates Shrimp


Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord, just as gays are an abomination. Why stop at protesting gay marriage? Bring all of God's law unto the heathens and the sodomites. We call upon all Christians to join the crusade against Long John Silver's and Red Lobster. Yea, even Popeye's shall be cleansed. The name of Bubba shall be anathema. We must stop the unbelievers from destroying the sanctity of our restaurants.


T-SHIRTS and REFRIGERATOR MAGNETS NOW AVAILABLE


Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


WWW.GODHATESSHRIMP.COM

- Ca$h

You're jumping from Christianity to ancient Hebrew dietary laws, that's confusing...

[ringo68]

I like all this scientific stuff in the 'good book' also.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

- Ca$h

[brknvsl]

No one will make it into heaven without being born again. No one. Not the rapist, not the liar, not the thief, not the adulterer, not the pornographer, not the homosexual, not the fornicator. Period. All must be born again of water and of spirit to see and enter the kingdom of heaven. (John 3:1ff)

God does not differentiate between types of sin. All people are sinners and need a Savior. Period.

[ringo68]

Originally posted by brknvsl:
No one will make it into heaven without being born again. No one. Not the rapist, not the liar, not the thief, not the adulterer, not the pornographer, not the homosexual, not the fornicator. Period. All must be born again of water and of spirit to see and enter the kingdom of heaven. (John 3:1ff)

God does not differentiate between types of sin. All people are sinners and need a Savior. Period.

So eating meat on the wrong day is the same as raping a woman. Nice belief system you got there. Makes a lot of sense.

Wait, no it doesn't.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm

- Ca$h

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ringo68:
So eating meat on the wrong day is the same as raping a woman. Nice belief system you got there. Makes a lot of sense.

Wait, no it doesn't.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm

- Ca$h

Again, you're mixing religions, from completely different eras, and making very little sense.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:


What Jesus said:

Matt 19:13 "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Michael Jackson thinks he's a messiah and said the same thing. So?

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're jumping from Christianity to ancient Hebrew dietary laws, that's confusing...

Ancient Hebrew? Nobody knows what their dietary laws were. You meant Israelite and then Jewish, right Mr. PhD?

Signed,

A Jew.

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Hey, everyone needs a hobby.

Posting on this site isn't your hobby. It's your sad life.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Ancient Hebrew? Nobody knows what their dietary laws were. You meant Israelite and then Jewish, right Mr. PhD?

No Rooney, I didn't.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Posting on this site isn't your hobby. It's your sad life.

Oh, ouch, ouch... You're such a bad man and I'm so wounded now.



(Just thought I'd let you feel good about yourself for a second there. Just for "old times sake" Rooney-boy.)

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by ringo68:
AhahhahAha. I was going to talk about you being a mindless right winged bible thumping freak who should go kill a minority or something, but I don't want to get banned.

- Rob

Originally posted by ringo68:
Thanks. Did you know that newborn babies are sinners?

- Rob

Originally posted by ringo68:
Doesn't matter. Newborn baby= human= man= sinner.

According to jesus the newborn is a sinner.

- Rob

Originally posted by ringo68:
My point is that Christianity is not 'mind boggling', it's STUPID. Any religon that allows rapists, mass murders, and people responsible for genocide into heaven, thinks newborn babies are sinners, contradicts itself left and right, has complete filth in it's good book including gangbangs and explicit sex acts, kills tons of people for no reason, and removes all personal responsiblity is a complete waste of time. Oh yeah, and there's no evidence whatsoever that god even exists.



- Ca$h

Dude, what is up with you? All these posts are filled with hostility and aggression and they
were all posted within a span of less than two hours.

You don't like religion and we ALL know that by now. So, what's the point of coming in here
and posting all these inflammatory comments? Huh? I don't get it. Can't you just agree to
disagree with those who hold views in opposition to yours? Seriously? How hard can that be?

<insert shaking head smilie here>

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by dcmacdaddy:
Dude, what is up with you? All these posts are filled with hostility and aggression and they
were all posted within a span of less than two hours.

You don't like religion and we ALL know that by now. So, what's the point of coming in here
and posting all these inflammatory comments? Huh? I don't get it. Can't you just agree to
disagree with those who hold views in opposition to yours? Seriously? How hard can that be?

<insert shaking head smilie here>

He's drunk. Again.

[mitchell_pgh]

I pray for the day that we start a religion forum like the political forum.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I pray for the day that we start a religion forum like the political forum.

"God" knows we've asked for it for quite a while now.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I pray for the day that we start a religion forum like the political forum.

Huzzah! I am an atheist and I would pray with you for that solution.

::begins building shrine to Demonhood::
<I hope he likes incense.>

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh, ouch, ouch... You're such a bad man and I'm so wounded now.

Crucified heh?

[Will McGoonigle]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
"God" knows we've asked for it for quite a while now.

You could be master(bater) of it.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Crucified heh?

Crushed to the core, no less.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
You could be master(bater) of it.

Alas, my grip isn't what it used to be.


The fact is, I don't have the time to be a mod, despite what you may think. Presently I'm on a very much needed break/vacation, doing absolutely nothing resembling work. Before long I'll be back to my 70+ hr a week routine.

[ringo68]

Originally posted by dcmacdaddy:
Dude, what is up with you? All these posts are filled with hostility and aggression and they
were all posted within a span of less than two hours.

You don't like religion and we ALL know that by now. So, what's the point of coming in here
and posting all these inflammatory comments? Huh? I don't get it. Can't you just agree to
disagree with those who hold views in opposition to yours? Seriously? How hard can that be?

<insert shaking head smilie here>

I guess I'm just a little miffed that Mr Bush here proclaimed that I just didn't understand Christianity, and I just find it 'mind boggling'. It couldn't possibly be that I disagree with tons of its main beliefs and whatnot... it's just because I'm too stupid (according to mr bush here) and it's just boggling my mind. He's part right. The hypocrisy, violence, and lunacy of christian beliefs DOES boggle my mind as to why anyone believes in all that horse poo.

- Rob

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're jumping from Christianity to ancient Hebrew dietary laws, that's confusing...

He is just throwing things out he thinks are "bad" without really any thought about where they come from, or what they mean. Just ignore it.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ringo68:
I guess I'm just a little miffed that Mr Bush here proclaimed that I just didn't understand Christianity, and I just find it 'mind boggling'. It couldn't possibly be that I disagree with tons of its main beliefs and whatnot... it's just because I'm too stupid (according to mr bush here) and it's just boggling my mind. He's part right. The hypocrisy, violence, and lunacy of christian beliefs DOES boggle my mind as to why anyone believes in all that horse poo.

- Rob

Most of what you were citing ISN'T EVEN CHRISTIAN. No Rob, you don't understand Christianity, none of it.

[ringo68]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Most of what you were citing ISN'T EVEN CHRISTIAN. No Rob, you don't understand Christianity, none of it.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co...a/by_name.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by ringo68:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co...a/by_name.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

And they don't understand it either.

The Blind leading the Blind.

10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false..."

[ringo68]

http://chicane.myftp.org/mp3s/infide...s_Violence.mp3

The bible is great.

- Rob

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by ringo68:
[url]http://chicane.myftp.org/mp3s/infidelguy.com_Bible_Sex_Drugs_Violence.mp3[url]

The bible is great.

- Rob

You ignorance of the Bible is great.

[ringo68]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You ignorance of the Bible is great.

Listen to it. Refute it. Help me learn and see the 'ways of jesus'!



- Rob

[ringo68]

This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well-groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first, saying,

John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come VOTE FOR HANK with us."

Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to vote for him anyway? It's not even an election day."

John: "If you vote for Hank, he'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll beat you up."

Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

John: "Hank is a multi-billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you vote for him."

Me: "That doesn't make any sense. If Hank built and owns the whole town and can do whatever he wants, why does he even need to be elected to something? Why..."

Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth voting for him just once?"

Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

John: "Then come vote for Hank with us."

Me: "Have you already voted for Hank?"

Mary: "Oh, yes, we sure did! And ..."

Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?"

John: "Well, no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town."

Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and he beats you up."

Me: "Do you know anyone who voted for Hank, left town, and got the million dollars?"

John: "My mother voted for Hank for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty dollar bill on the street."

Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?"

John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"

Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't vote for Hank he'll beat you up."

Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from him..."

Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

Me: "Then how do you even vote for him?"

John: "Sometimes we just close our eyes and vote, thinking of Hank. Other times we vote for Karl, and he lets Hank know for us."

Me: "Who's Karl?"

Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about voting for Hank. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to vote for him, and that Hank would reward you?"

John: "Oh no! Karl's got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on "From the desk of Karl" letterhead. There were eleven items listed:

1. Vote for Hank and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
2. Use alcohol in moderation.
3. Beat up people who aren't like you.
4. Eat right.
5. Hank dictated this list himself.
6. The moon is made of green cheese.
7. Everything Hank says is right.
8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
9. Don't drink.
10. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
11. Vote for Hank or he'll beat you up.
Me: "This would appear to be written on Karl's letterhead."

Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people."

Me: "I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist beats people up just because they're different?"

Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

Me: "How do you figure that?"

Mary: "Item 7 says, 'Everything Hanks says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

John: "No way! Item 5 says, 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says, 'Use alcohol in moderation,' item 4 says, 'Eat right,' and item 8 says, 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

Me: "But 9 says, 'Don't Drink,' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says, 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock...."

Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the idea is that two or more massive bodies may have collided early on during the formation of the solar system to create the Earth-Moon system. But not knowing exactly how the moon was formed doesn't have anything to do with whether it's made of cheese."

John: "Aha! You just admitted that scientists can never be sure, but we know Hank is always right!"

Me: "We do?"

Mary: "Of course we do, Item 5 says so."

Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying, 'Hank's right because he says he's right.'"

John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

Me: "But.... Oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

John [As Mary blushes]: "That's a clarification of Item 4. Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

Me: "Well, then, it's OK to eat hamburgers without buns? How about bratwurst?"

John: "Well, now, hold on. Let' s not make things more complicated than they have to be. Those kind of details are best left to the professional experts on Hank and his rules."

Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"

John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"

John [Shouting, as Mary looks stricken]: "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

Mary: [sticks her fingers in her ears] "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that...."

Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

John [catching Mary as she faints]: "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank beats you up I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll vote for Hank for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.