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Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:37 PM

Yeah I can't figure that out. It almost hints like they wanna make the Nano the widescreen iPod because it has the most market penetration.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

What are you basing that on? If it's flashed based memory, it's not that slow.

Flash can be slow for operating systems and apps that are bigger than the ones on other phones. Those Linux Zaurus and Pocket PCs were damn slow compared to this.

osiris · Jan 9, 2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

what do you think they will do with the iPod video now?

The only thing it got going for it is lots of storage

I hope it gets a widescreen, and gains streaming audio/video to AppleTV or any video display.

Mike Pither · Jan 9, 2007, 05:38 PM

It will be interesting to see if they change the spec before it comes to Europe, Edge was never very popular here and and only the cheapest most basic phones are not UMTS now, UMTS is a lot faster. By the time the iPhone is launched here in the 3rd quarter Edge will seem like stone age (in fact it probably already is)

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

what do you think they will do with the iPod video now?

The only thing it got going for it is lots of storage

For some people that's the deal maker. Having 30 gigs over 4 gigs for half the price, not to mention a smaller form factor is what some people want.

turtle777 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

what do you think they will do with the iPod video now?

The only thing it got going for it is lots of storage

I'm sure there will be a G6 iPod video with the similar specs and screen, just w/o the phone capability. There will be plenty of users that have to stick with a different cellphone provider but still want a new iPod video.

-t

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:39 PM

How big are iTunes Store movies?

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:40 PM

The iPods also got video out but I can't see them keeping it at 4:3 ratio. If they make it widescreen though what happens to the wheel?

Perhaps it will be much like the iPhone without the phone.

kmkkid · Jan 9, 2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

You know that Rogers owns Fido, right? Even if it does end up on Fido, it's still Rogers.

I was just aware that they were on the same network, I didn't know Rogers had bought them. Never even considered Fido in my life.

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

The iPods also got video out but I can't see them keeping it at 4:3 ratio. If they make it widescreen though what happens to the wheel?

Horizontal slider.

Edit: Virtual slider.

osiris · Jan 9, 2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

The iPods also got video out but I can't see them keeping it at 4:3 ratio. If they make it widescreen though what happens to the wheel?

Perhaps it will be much like the iPhone without the phone.

Maybe a touchscreen virtual wheel?

mduell · Jan 9, 2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

How fast is the CPU? Is it Intel GMA950 on the circuit board?

Probably ~500Mhz (+/- 100Mhz) Xscale. GMA950 consumes way too much power for a phone; it's probably a graphics chipset designed for phones (I know nVidia has a few).

Originally Posted by olePigeon

I think the reason Apple went with Cingular (GSM specifically) is so they can roll the product out in Europe and Asia with fewer problems.

Making it (GSM) unlocked would allow them to roll it out in Europe and Asia with fewer problems. And people in the states could use it with their GSM carrier of choice.

mdc · Jan 9, 2007, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

The iPods also got video out but I can't see them keeping it at 4:3 ratio. If they make it widescreen though what happens to the wheel?

Perhaps it will be much like the iPhone without the phone.

That's my guess.
All the Core Animation of the iPhone and it's touchscreen, but just for Music, Movies, and Photos and a big hard drive. It'd be nice if they keep the look the same, I like the new look.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

I was just aware that they were on the same network, I didn't know Rogers had bought them. Never even considered Fido in my life.

Ya rogers bought Fido over a year ago.

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

How big are iTunes Store movies?

Disney's 'The Wild' is 956MB and it's about 81 minutes long.

voodoo · Jan 9, 2007, 05:46 PM

Here is a clip from the introduction of the iPhone.

http://atvs.vg.no/player/player.php?id=7032

Steve is looking good.

V

Kerrigan · Jan 9, 2007, 05:46 PM

Listen to all this bitching. This is essentially the Newton resurrected and all people do is whine...

icruise · Jan 9, 2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

I was thinking that while the keynote was on. Microsoft can't be too happy right now. They said how good the Zune was with it's WiFi and widescreen.

The Zune is NOT widescreen.

olePigeon · Jan 9, 2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Nexus5

There is no cingular in europe.

nexus5.

Hence the "GSM specifically."

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Disney's 'The Wild' is 956MB and it's about 81 minutes long.

So you could theoretically hold 7 movies on the iPhone.

Edit: This is what confuses me. The 'iPod' made for watching movies can't hold many.

Chuckit · Jan 9, 2007, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

The Zune is NOT widescreen.

Uh…what? The screen looks pretty wide to me.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

The Zune is NOT widescreen.

Damn, I better get my eyes checked.

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

So you could theoretically hold 7 movies on the iPhone.

Edit: This is what confuses me. The 'iPod' made for watching movies can't hold many.

Yeah, hopefully they'll revise it with some new models in the future.

wolfen · Jan 9, 2007, 05:52 PM

I think it's awesome. The price is a bit daunting, but it'll come down in the next year or so.

I'm skeptical on the battery life since most products I know don't live up to the projected battery life. It's the multi-tasking that makes the phone unique, functionally speaking. Multi-tasking = more power usage than the "5 hours of talking time" stat would imply.

And really, does anyone want a Rev 1 OSX phone? I mean, OSX is great but really...let's think about it. Rev 1? I'll wait.

As long as it has a great Restore CD, I don't care about the "ZOMG I gotta phon virusss!" inevitability.

But I'm also sure that all our concerns will be addressed and resolved eventually. Seems like a nice 2008 Birthday present to myself.

The only real question at this point is: can you hear the fans spinning or are they whisper quiet?

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Yeah, hopefully they'll revise it with some new models in the future.

No they have already said they are sticking to those 2 models for the next 30 years.

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:52 PM

I don't care either way, but so many people have been clamoring for it I'm a little surprised.

icruise · Jan 9, 2007, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Uh…what? The screen looks pretty wide to me.

The Zune screen is exactly the same ratio as the old iPod, just turned vertically. Seriously, look it up.

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No they have already said they are sticking to those 2 models for the next 30 years.

I meant sooner rather than later...

Would a hard drive based phone reduce battery life noticeably?

voodoo · Jan 9, 2007, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Uh…what? The screen looks pretty wide to me.

It may well look it, but unless 320x240 is widescreen.. it is just your average 4:3.

V

JustinHoMi · Jan 9, 2007, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

The Google Maps application looks like something I would use all the time. I txt google all the time. Now I can just look things up by location and auto-dial them. That's hot.

Actually Google Maps is available for most phones already. It's nothing new: http://www.google.com/gmm

Originally Posted by Super Mario

It is unlocked. Jobs said those prices were with the contract.

That has nothing to do with whether it is unlocked or not. Remember, Cingular charges existing customers an extra couple hundred dollars if you buy a phone while you're still in contract. Existing customers would only get the phone at this price if they were outside of their contract and paying month-to-month.

Originally Posted by Ratspittle

Cingular, in my neck of the woods, has atrocious coverage, it's not just opinion of carriers, it is how well they work in your market.

Cingular sucks here too. Over the last 9 years I've had Cingular three times, and I've always gotten poor coverage. Cingular is also very expensive, as they charge you an arm and a leg for anything additional (Internet, SMS, etc). They really skimp on their offerings too. For instance, the normal voice mail plan only allows people to record 30s messages, and you can only store a few of them. With Sprint I have 4m long messages and I know I can store at least 20-30 of them. I used to work selling cell phone services, and Cingular is the LAST one I would recommend here.

Originally Posted by Ratspittle

I think they would also do well by offering one without iPod functionality, they have sold millions of iPods, why would everyone want to replace their iPods that work perfectly well? Sure, one less gadget to carry around, but if I could pick up one of those phones for $200 less, I'd be perfectly happy to carry around my iPod for another year or two (til it died). And as an additional bonus, maybe it would get better battery life

That would be pretty cool, actually. I've always wished that cell phone providers would sell trimmed down versions of their top-end PDAs (Treo, etc). Some people just don't need all that extra functionality. The iPhone is WAY too expensive to be a common household item, in my opinion.

I wonder if Cingular would allow you to activate the phone on a data-only plan. I'm sure a VOIP application will come out soon, reducing the need to have a standard voice plan.

Kerrigan · Jan 9, 2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Everything aside... how does the Zune look now. Dumb as **** that is how

Ya, this thing has gone so far ahead of every iPod competitor that it isn't even funny.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Ya, this thing has gone so far ahead of every iPod competitor that it isn't even funny.

Actually I find it rather funny.

MS must be like um... now what?

Jerome · Jan 9, 2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Ya, this thing has gone so far ahead of every iPod competitor that it isn't even funny.

I think it's pretty funny. As soon as Zune comes out, it's already so outdated that we will see them included free in cereal boxes!

xi_hyperon · Jan 9, 2007, 06:01 PM

Hehe... this is getting way more press than anything about CES yesterday. It's splashed all over the front pages of U.S. news websites.

icruise · Jan 9, 2007, 06:01 PM

Of course, it is twice the price of the Zune and necessitates a cell phone contract. I want to see what features from the iPhone make it into the main iPod line.

lpkmckenna · Jan 9, 2007, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

what do you think they will do with the iPod video now?

I still hope they update it with widescreen, for those who don't want to merge their phone and iPod.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jerome

I think it's pretty funny. As soon as Zune comes out, it's already so outdated that we will see them included free in cereal boxes!

That is what I am hoping 10.5 will do to vista also.

mdc · Jan 9, 2007, 06:06 PM

What's the back of the iPhone look like?
I assume chrome with an engraved Apple logo. Anyone seen photos of the back?

shifuimam · Jan 9, 2007, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Of course, it is twice the price of the Zune and necessitates a cell phone contract. I want to see what features from the iPhone make it into the main iPod line.

Or if they released a slimmed-down version with no phone. Some people do prefer a separate PDA/phone device. The interface is great as a PDA, and if they took out the phone part and made it $200, I know I'd consider getting one.

Kerrigan · Jan 9, 2007, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

What's the back of the iPhone look like?
I assume chrome with an engraved Apple logo. Anyone seen photos of the back?

I haven't seen it, but judging by the side shots, it is anodized aluminum on the back

brokenjago · Jan 9, 2007, 06:11 PM

Looks like anodized aluminum with a chromed Apple logo on the back.

Pix

kmkkid · Jan 9, 2007, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

What's the back of the iPhone look like?
I assume chrome with an engraved Apple logo. Anyone seen photos of the back?

It appears to be a white plastic from engadget shots I've seen.

davesimondotcom · Jan 9, 2007, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

What's the back of the iPhone look like?
I assume chrome with an engraved Apple logo. Anyone seen photos of the back?

It actually looked like the brushed aluminum with the Apple logo.

And the camera.

Jerome · Jan 9, 2007, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I haven't seen it, but judging by the side shots, it is anodized aluminum on the back

The camera is on the back.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 06:14 PM

I find the back the weakest part. Too round and the black bottom is sorta weird.

wolfen · Jan 9, 2007, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by JustinHoMi

The iPhone is WAY too expensive to be a common household item, in my opinion.

Right now I agree with you. But imagine the same level of evolution that has taken place in the iPod applied to this iPhone.

A few years from now this may be a laptop replacement for many people. When I imagine purchases over the next 5 years I see an iMac and a 3rd gen iPhone, not an iMac and a MacBook.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 06:19 PM

Just to put it in perspective smart phones by Sony that are even close to this are $1000-$1200.

And they aren't even close.

Goldfinger · Jan 9, 2007, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

IMAP push email with attachments is better and will work over wifi and GSM/EDGE.

Nobody, and I mean, nobody. Has PUSH email on their cell over here. Except for a few hardcore business users (who don't pay for this expensive service themselves).

SMS+MMS is the standard.

IMHO Apple should've released an iPhone "light", a less advanced version. The iPhone practically requires you to have a serious data plan. Data plans are A)unavailable with pre-paid cards* B)extreeeeemely expensive C)unlimited data plans simply do not exist in most countries

*I won't be far of if I said that most people in europe these days have a pre-paid card instead of a contract.

davesimondotcom · Jan 9, 2007, 06:24 PM

I'm pretty sure that data plans will go down in price, be more widely available, and so on. Similar to the fact that there was hardly any music available (other than ripped MP3s) when the iPod came out. Now look at it.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I'm pretty sure that data plans will go down in price, be more widely available, and so on. Similar to the fact that there was hardly any music available (other than ripped MP3s) when the iPod came out. Now look at it.

Ya 6 months is a long time and there will be huge interest in this phone so carriers will come out with special plans just for it I am sure.