[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

1. Macupdate wasn't a joke. It was the expression of the owners religious beliefs. Do I disagree with the way he presented these? Yes, I do. Does he have every right to present them the way he did and not give a damn about my opinions? Of course he does.

2. Nick, in my opinion, made an exasperated joke. I am sure he'll come along soon and give you a heads up one way or the other.

3. There is no free speech on macnn. It's private property, free speech rights do not apply.

Sorry, I guess you missed it...

Isn't that what we do (just going by your example)? We get threatened by things we don't like and then start making disparaging comments about them?

"Free speech is only free if we like it."

Right?

that's how many of you around here feel? Right?

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Sorry, I guess you missed it...

that's how many of you around here feel? Right?

I have honestly no idea what you're talking about - maybe I'm still slow after yesterday's festivities.

Are you asking whether I feel threatened by Christianity? No I don't.
Do I appreciate religious content where I am not expecting it? No, I don't either.
The same way I would not appreciate finding Buddhist propaganda or gay porn for that matter.

Sorry if I am missing your point.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Looking at that page, I would actually be surprised if the author is a christian (as it would be more detrimental to his or her cause than beneficial).

Only one with a chip on his or her shoulder beforehand would think that. And given that, no matter what was up there, it would be bashed by certain people.

It's so damn cheesy and badly done, that I'm actually ashamed I didn't get the joke in the first place.

Subjective, and what joke was that?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Do I appreciate religious content where I am not expecting it? No, I don't either.

What about anti-religious comments? Would that be the same? Sure it would.

People don't come in here expecting anti-religious hatefulness. But it happens.
(Tons of hateful anti-Christians threads in here in all time, in a computer forum. WTH?)

Funny though, I don't think I've heard anyone in here complaining about MacUpdate, complain when the opposite happens in here. The difference? One isn't hateful. The other is.

I think that is what his point was.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What about anti-religious comments? Would that be the same?

If there had been a page up denouncing Christianity as a crock full of nonsense with an email address along the lines of [email protected] then yes, the same would apply.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Only one with a chip on his or her shoulder beforehand would think that.

You're making a judgement.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

I have honestly no idea what you're talking about - maybe I'm still slow after yesterday's festivities.

Are you asking whether I feel threatened by Christianity? No I don't.
Do I appreciate religious content where I am not expecting it? No, I don't either.
The same way I would not appreciate finding Buddhist propaganda or gay porn for that matter.

Sorry if I am missing your point.

So, it's not ok for them to post what they want, and now you're equating Christianity to gay porn?

In essence, you don't like the message they were conveying, and you want them censored? Right?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

If there had been a page up denouncing Christianity as a crock full of nonsense with an email address along the lines of [email protected] then yes, the same would apply.

No, I am talking about going to a place expecting something, and getting the opposite as you stated.

You said "Do I appreciate religious content where I am not expecting it? No"
That is why you didn't like it.

It would be the same thing as coming in here expecting Mac related things and such, and getting a ton of anti-Christian posts and threads.

But I don't think I've ever recalled you complaining about that.

Why? It doesn't effect you because you agree with it do you not?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

You're making a judgement.

Yes, I do it often in my life.


judg·ment also judge·ment P Pronunciation Key (jjmnt)
n.
The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation.
The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships;
The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating
The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense


Thanks for noticing.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Only one with a chip on his or her shoulder beforehand would think that. And given that, no matter what was up there, it would be bashed by certain people.

Maybe. BUT! there are quite a few ways of presenting things "subtely", in good taste and at an adequate level of professionalism. All of that was seriously lacking on the "macupdate" page.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Subjective, and what joke was that?

The method used here (I believe) was "sarcasm" or irony. You can look up the word in any dictionary.

quote: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

So, it's not ok for them to post what they want, and now you're equating Christianity to gay porn?

In essence, you don't like the message they were conveying, and you want them censored? Right?

Have you read anything I've said in this thread? Anything?

I have said, repeatedly, that macupdate have every right to post whatever the hell they want.
I have the right not to like it.

1. Why don't I like it?
Because I go to macupdate to find out about software updates. My bookmark is set to the main page, meaning I had to read a page proselytizing beliefs that I do not share. Not sharing their beliefs with a simple 'Merry Christmas', proselytizing, as expressed in [email protected] etc.

The same would be true had somebody posted gay porn on a page where I wasn't expecting gay porn. I am not comparing Christianity to gay porn, and I have no idea how you made that connection in the first place, I am comparing content that I find inappropriate for the domain in question to other content that I might find inappropriate.

2. Do I think they should be censored?
No, they have every right to post whatever they like. I have every right to avoid them from now on so I am not subjected to more of the same.

Is that clear enough now?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Maybe. BUT! there are quite a few ways of presenting things "subtely", in good taste and at an adequate level of professionalism. All of that was seriously lacking on the "macupdate" page.

Why be subtle? What is there to hide?
Should he or she be ashamed?

The method used here (I believe) was "sarcasm" or irony.

N, I am asking what you part of it you believed was a joke.

You can look up the word in any dictionary.

Now you are just being silly.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes, I do it often in my life.

Sigh. You have no way of knowing whether he has a chip on his shoulder or not. Maybe I should have said, you're making a judgement based on an assumption that has no empirical backup. Which makes the judgement worthless.

I have to cook now. Talk amongst yourself.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Sigh. You have no way of knowing whether he has a chip on his shoulder or not. Maybe I should have said, you're making a judgement based on an assumption that has no empirical backup. Which makes the judgement worthless.

Well of course I am offering an opinion Mastrap. It's obvious I have no way of proving such a thing, therefore it is an opinion.

But thanks for pointing it out anyhow.

Same with people who would see, say something homosexual tinged, and grimace.

They probably had a chip on their shoulder about homosexuality BEFORE said instance.

Does that not make sense at all?

And I think what MacNStein is trying to say is, people are only complaining because it's of something they don't agree with.

If it was something that they agreed with, little problem would have been made of it.

I tried to give you an example in this very forum.

[Busemann]

*sigh*

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Why be subtle? What is there to hide?
Should he or she be ashamed?

Not at all. I believe that somebody's religious affiliation is something very personal and really nobody's business.

Being subtle isn't a matter of "hiding", but a matter of presenting things in an adequate, unobtrusive matter.

Originally Posted by Kevin

N, I am asking what you part of it you believed was a joke.

What part of that page? The whole damn thing if you ask me. Nothing else would really make sense.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Not at all. I believe that somebody's religious affiliation is something very personal and really nobody's business.

Well that is your belief. Why should they share it?

Being subtle isn't a matter of "hiding", but a matter of presenting things in an adequate, unobtrusive matter.

Certain things I believe need to be. For example, douche ads.
But celebrating someone's birthday shouldn't be subtle IMHO.

What part of that page? The whole damn thing if you ask me. Nothing else would really make sense.

So you are claiming you think the whole thing was a big sarcastic joke? Even when you have been told otherwise?

Ok.

BTW, for those of you that didn't "get it" it has been explained earlier in this thread.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well that is your belief. Why should they share it?

We'll for one, if the author really is a Christian trying to convey a message, he would be more successful by presenting it in a "tasteful" and respecting manner, rather than REPLACING THE FREKIN HOMEPAGE of a software download site. LOL

Secondly, I am pretty sure macupdate needs to get paid somewhere along the line, and I will bet you that a religious statement presented in such a way has lost them quite a bit of business. (Not only from atheists and muslims etc.) Some people will chose sites like Versiontracker in the future.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Certain things I believe need to be. For example, douche ads.
But celebrating someone's birthday shouldn't be subtle IMHO.

Even if the person whose birthday is being celebrated is a douche?

/joking

Originally Posted by Kevin

So you are claiming you think the whole thing was a big sarcastic joke? Even when you have been told otherwise?

Told, yes. Proven, no.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

We'll for one, if the author really is a Christian trying to convey a message, he would be more successful by presenting it in a "tasteful" and respecting manner, rather than REPLACING THE FREKIN HOMEPAGE of a software download site. LOL

Again, taste is subjective. And what if it was a she?

Secondly, I am pretty sure macupdate needs to get paid somewhere along the line, and I will bet you that a religious statement presented in such a way has lost them quite a bit of business.

I am betting most people will forget about it in a week or so (They did something similar last year, people forgot about it )

(Not only from atheists and muslims etc.) Some people will chose sites like Versiontracker in the future.

Actually other religious people aren't getting upset so much as the jesusphobes.
The other religions know how it is. I suggest you go to the link vmarks posted earlier in this thread. (He is Jewish BTW)

Even if the person whose birthday is being celebrated is a douche?

/joking

That wasn't a joke. That was a stab, and you knew you'd get flamed for it, so you added "joke" to make it seem less hateful. But hey, to each his own.

Told, yes. Proven, no.

Believe what you want.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

2. Do I think they should be censored?
No, they have every right to post whatever they like. I have every right to avoid them from now on so I am not subjected to more of the same.

Fine, do so and quit whining. You don't like their freedom of speech, go elsewhere.

Damn, it's one page and you act like the sky is falling. Find one of the causes that you hold so dear and focus your energies into that, instead of griping about this guy's legally protected right. Cut the drama, and accept that others have views that you may not care for. That's life, just deal.

Personally, I wouldn't care if he did put gay porn up on his site, it just doesn't matter to me. Satanism? No problem. Left-wing nutjob with Socialist agenda? Who cares? If it bothered me enough, I'd just find a different place to get software. Sheesh.

[Kevin]

Tolerance isn't accepting other people views.

Tolerance is how you treat the very people who hold views that go against yours.

Saying that you wont visit someone's site anymore because you don't happen to agree with their beliefs or they way they choose to portray them is being "intolerant"

This of course is IMHO.

And lets be honest with ourselves fellahs. You aren't upset about the way it was done so much, and the content that was in it.

If it was a pro-pot, or anti-Bush page, I have a feeling people's answers in here would be different.

Probably mine as well. I am not perfect.

Honestly, I'd have probably reacted the same way you guys are reacting now. (well about the political stuff anyhow)

Just trying to keep it honest..

It's not about his VIEWS. It's about him being a DUMBASS and replacing his homepage with something that has nothing to do with mac software. If he has posted that page under a new domain somewhere else NO ONE WOULD CARE.

The point is it makes no sense to replace a mac site with a political, religous, or philosophical advertisement. It doesn't matter if it supports Christianity, Islam, Black rights, Gay rights, abortion, gun control, whatever...

And people think it's weird because it used a bunch of bs meaningless rhetorical questions and a creepy looking picture of "Jesus" standing in some kind of UFO spotlight. When did you ever see a picture like that in the Bible or at a church? This should not even require an explanation.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Nick

And people think it's weird because it used a bunch of bs meaningless rhetorical questions and a creepy looking picture of "Jesus" standing in some kind of UFO spotlight. When did you ever see a picture like that in the Bible or at a church?

Ezekiel 1:4-28?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Tolerance isn't accepting other people views.

Tolerance is how you treat the very people who hold views that go against yours.

This just needs to be repeated.

You should put it in your sig Kevin.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Nick

It's not about his VIEWS. It's about him being a DUMBASS and replacing his homepage with something that has nothing to do with mac software. If he has posted that page under a new domain somewhere else NO ONE WOULD CARE.

Uh but it had everything to do with the season, and alot of webpages have changed their webpage to reflect as much.

Obviously his or her belief is dear to them, and means alot to them.

The point is it makes no sense to replace a mac site with a political, religous, or philosophical advertisement. It doesn't matter if it supports Christianity, Islam, Black rights, Gay rights, abortion, gun control, whatever...

He didn't REPLACE IT. It was STILL THERE. The site and the ability to get updates still existed.

And people think it's weird because it used a bunch of bs meaningless rhetorical questions and a creepy looking picture of "Jesus" standing in some kind of UFO spotlight. When did you ever see a picture like that in the Bible or at a church? This should not even require an explanation.

You are still seeing UFOs?

I think I see the problem here. You just simply aren't paying attention.

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Ezekiel 1:4-28?

[Kevin]

BTW just got back an email.

Here is what was said.

Hi Kevin. Joel forwarded on your email to me (i think you also wrote one to this address).

I read your comments on MacNN forums and appreciated them. I have gotten TONS of interesting emails- positive and negative. Most interesting to me at this point is how people interpreted the site-- many came across in their emails very defensive. so strange how we bring our own opinions to everything we read- reflects so much on who we are and what we've been through. are we ever really objective? how can we be?

it's sad to read some of them- i didn't want to offend anyone-- i steered FAR away from the normal 'you should love Jesus or go to hell' route because of that. i seriously prayed and labored over this for several weeks. i am looking forward to writing people back.

joel was very bold to let this happen. it does show his character and that his trust is not in himself or his website.

thank you for your "support". much appreciated!!!

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Kevin

BTW just got back an email.

Here is what was said.

[/b]

I like them even more, now.

[tooki]

What I sent them:

Subject: I want Mac software updates, not religious proselytizing...

Umm, yeah, that intro page was kind of obnoxious. Not everyone's a
Christian, and not everyone wants (or feels that they need to be) saved.

I mean, was that for real, or did your server get hacked by bible
thumpers?!?

antonio

The response:

Antonio-

the site WAS for real. can you believe that? but the page was not done out of disrespect to you, or others that go to the site.

our intention was to share with you words to let you know that Jesus is real, and he cares about your life. Maybe you've heard otherwise- maybe you dont like christians- maybe you are firm in your beliefs. But he cares about you, and His character no one can fathom.

if you are interested in Jesus (not religion or christianity or right-wing beliefs or hate), then seek Him.

i do not represent MacUpdate, but i know that they care about serving you. There will be some changes to the website soon that will benefit you as a MacUpdate user.

thank you for writing, Antonio. feel free to write back. i'd love to hear more from you.

out to love,
allie

p.s. i dont consider myself a "bible thumper"

tooki

[Athens]

Originally Posted by tooki

What I sent them:
The response:

tooki

thats pretty brutal considering you and I belong to a group that gets the same kind of similar crap, change that religious page to 2 guys kissing on TV, how would you feel about the outrage of straights bitching about how they don’t watch TV to see to guys kissing. I thought you where more open minded and partial then this Tooki, im VERY disappointed.

[tooki]

Choosing a religion and being gay are entirely different things. I would never push people to become gay, and I don't go around pushing for gay rights, blah blah blah. (Even if I agreed with the current gay rights movement, which I don't, I wouldn't do that.)

Anyhow, I would never consider mixing my business with any kind of personal interest, especially something controversial like religion. I mean, it's a rule in business, never bring into conversation politics, religion, morality, or anything else that can alienate customers. It's not professional, and it can cost you money.

If it were some guy's personal home page, I would not have considered sending a message. But it's a commercial site, and they should have better judgement.

tooki

[TETENAL]

http://macnews.de/

macnews.de changed their appearance for Christmas as well. Is this controversial?

[RAILhead]

[Athens]

Originally Posted by tooki

Choosing a religion and being gay are entirely different things. I would never push people to become gay, and I don't go around pushing for gay rights, blah blah blah. (Even if I agreed with the current gay rights movement, which I don't, I wouldn't do that.)

Anyhow, I would never consider mixing my business with any kind of personal interest, especially something controversial like religion. I mean, it's a rule in business, never bring into conversation politics, religion, morality, or anything else that can alienate customers. It's not professional, and it can cost you money.

If it were some guy's personal home page, I would not have considered sending a message. But it's a commercial site, and they should have better judgement.

tooki

is it a business or is it a personal site? My prelude2g.com site I consider personal, yet others would consider it a business (if I ever finish it) and as Kevin has said to me Being Christian for him is the same as me being bi, and I have to accept that because I know whats it like be on the end with some idiot trying to tell me that me being bi is a choice. Since im not rleigious I can not relate. Therefore religion for some is not a choice, its what they are just like what you and I are. As I said before in this post, that picture did nothing for me, for or against, it was just a distraction to the site.

[Kr0nos]

Thank you Kevin and Tooki for posting the replies you got.

For once I am at a loss of words.

I take it "Allie" is somebody who works for macupdate and "Joel" is the owner?

[Athens]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

http://macnews.de/

macnews.de changed their appearance for Christmas as well. Is this controversial?

I hate Christmas, im offended.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Again, taste is subjective. And what if it was a she?

I would be even more shocked. Most women I know are a lot more aesthetically versed and tactful than that.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I am betting most people will forget about it in a week or so ...

Yeah. You're probably right. They will still have lost some business over it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Actually other religious people aren't getting upset so much as the jesusphobes.
The other religions know how it is.

Hmmmm, maybe somebody should set their homepage to reflect their love and support for NAMBLA. Would you support the owner if he/she got attacked by a bunch of pedophobes?

I know NAMBLA isn't a religion, but it's a suitable comparison non the less...

Originally Posted by Athens

is it a business or is it a personal site? My prelude2g.com site I consider personal, yet others would consider it a business (if I ever finish it) and as Kevin has said to me Being Christian for him is the same as me being bi, and I have to accept that because I know whats it like be on the end with some idiot trying to tell me that me being bi is a choice. Since im not rleigious I can not relate. Therefore religion for some is not a choice, its what they are just like what you and I are. As I said before in this post, that picture did nothing for me, for or against, it was just a distraction to the site.

A business is something designed to make money. MacUpdate is a business.

[Athens]

my prelude2g.com site is to make money, I still consider it my personal site.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

I take it "Allie" is somebody who works for macupdate and "Joel" is the owner?

That's logical. I don't know any more than you. :/

tooki

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by tooki

Choosing a religion and being gay are entirely different things.

Not really. You cannot deny your sexuality, I cannot deny my beliefs.

You cannot expect someone to give up their religion, just like I would never expect someone to give up their sexuality. My religion is just apart of me, as your sexuality.

Just like someone that is straight, probably couldn't understand why two same sex couples can be attracted to each other because THEY aren't.... I am sure the non-religious doesn't understand how faith and belief is just as big of a part in those that do practice such beliefs as their sexuality. Probably bigger.

If it were some guy's personal home page, I would not have considered sending a message. But it's a commercial site, and they should have better judgement.

Better judgement? You act as if he posted pics of Hitler, praising him.

He did nothing wrong.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

I would be even more shocked. Most women I know are a lot more aesthetically versed and tactful than that.

I thought it was appropriate for what she was trying to accomplish.

Yeah. You're probably right. They will still have lost some business over it.

And maybe gained some. Along with respect.

Hmmmm, maybe somebody should set their homepage to reflect their love and support for NAMBLA. Would you support the owner if he/she got attacked by a bunch of pedophobes?

Probably wouldn't because their cause promotes things that physically and emotionally hurt children.

The page in question did no such thing. So that was a bizarro comparison.

And like I said early, I probably would get upset if I didn't agree with the "message" too.

It would have nothing to do with HOW it was done either.And I would probably be acting just like you guys. I realize this.

I can admit that it would have nothing to do with "Professionalism" though.

I would never hide behind such a thing.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Nick

A business is something designed to make money. MacUpdate is a business.

I wanna know where such rules and guidelines for such things are written down at.

Business all over my town do whatever they want in their buildings regardless of them making money.

Web pages are no different.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I thought it was appropriate for what she was trying to accomplish.

If what she was trying to accomplish was getting people interested in Christianity, then definetly NO!

If she was trying to show her (and macupdates?) support for Christian fundamentalism, then - who fu<king cares?

Originally Posted by Kevin

And maybe gained some. Along with respect.

Probably lost more though. And what does Christianity have to do with providing a download/information service for mac apps?

It certainly didn't do anything in terms of credibility for them. Their service is quite good, even if their boss seems to be a complete and total retard.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I can admit that it would have nothing to do with "Professionalism" though.

I would never hide behind such a thing.

No reason to hide. My subjcetive take on it is that the message was lame, stupid and completely cheesy, and I really didn't enjoy the religious proselytizing.

My objective assessment is that it was highly unprofessional, obtrusive and generally not well done.

Two seperate things.

/Oh and that "just because" argument is fu<king lame and played as well.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

If what she was trying to accomplish was getting people interested in Christianity, then definetly NO!

Lets be honest with ourselves Kron, no one with say, an attitude like some of the responses in here have gotten are going to be interested in it at all no matter what. So that is irrelevant. She wasn't putting it up for that reason. TO try to win over those against it. That isn't how it works. You cannot make someone do something they don't want to.

If she was trying to show her (and macupdates?) support for Christian fundamentalism, then - who fu<king cares?

That's my point, who cares. No one should have cared. No one should have made a big deal about it.

It was her way of saying "Happy Birthday" to someone special to her.

You ever get say, a CD of music, and REALLY like it and get into it. Makes you want to tell others about it as well right?

Same thing here.

She isn't trying to FORCE people to listen to that CD. She is basically saying "This CD is cool, if you think you'd like it, take a listen..."

Probably lost more though.

What makes you think this? Because you want it to be true? That's a big assumption.

I know I've done it too. I used to not think there was ANY Christians in here when I first came here. Now I know the place is full of Christians.

And what does Christianity have to do with providing a download/information service for mac apps?

Nothing. But it has to do with Christmas. Which that day was indeed Christmas. I think you are AGAIN, trying to make a big deal out of something that simply isn't.

It certainly didn't do anything in terms of credibility for them.

Subjective. I have tons of respect for them. So do many people that has said so in this thread, and emails to them.

Their service is quite good, even if their boss seems to be a complete and total retard.

Now that's just hateful and petty. No need to act like that.

No reason to hide. My subjcetive take on it is that the message was lame, stupid and completely cheesy, and I really didn't enjoy the religious proselytizing.

Well it's just not that either. Because it has bothered you enough to sit here and complain about it all day long. It seems to be a bit more than that from this side.

My objective assessment is that it was highly unprofessional, obtrusive and generally not well done.

Well I am glad they don't come to you for advice.

Oh and that "just because" argument is fu<king lame and played as well.

What "Just because" argument?

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It was her way of saying "Happy Birthday" to someone special to her.

LOL. BS. That's just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Kevin

You ever get say, a CD of music, and REALLY like it and get into it. Makes you want to tell others about it as well right?

Errr, yeah. But I don't walk into somebody's living room and put on the CD while they are trying to watch the news on TV.

Originally Posted by Kevin

What makes you think this? Because you want it to be true? That's a big assumption.

Yes, it is.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Nothing. But it has to do with Christmas. Which that day was indeed Christmas.

So what? BTW, Jesus almost certainly wasn't born on the 25th of december.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Subjective.

No. It has nothing to do with what they normally provide as a service.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Now that's just hateful and petty.

No, that's just my opinion (from what I've read in the reply to your email)

quote:"joel was very bold to let this happen. it does show his character and that his trust is not in himself or his website."

...or, quite obviously, his professionalism and business practises.

Originally Posted by Kevin

It seems to be a bit more than that from this side.

Oh yeah. But it is that first and foremost.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well I am glad they don't come to you for advice.

LOL. Maybe they should. And besides, others here seem to have the same opinion about it in regards to professionalism (Tooki, Mastrap etc.)

Anybody else here who thinks it was done in poor taste and was unprofessional?

Originally Posted by Kevin

What "Just because" argument?

The "you are only critisizing it because you disagree with the content of the message" argument.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Fine, do so and quit whining. You don't like their freedom of speech, go elsewhere.

Damn, it's one page and you act like the sky is falling. Find one of the causes that you hold so dear and focus your energies into that, instead of griping about this guy's legally protected right. Cut the drama, and accept that others have views that you may not care for. That's life, just deal.

Personally, I wouldn't care if he did put gay porn up on his site, it just doesn't matter to me. Satanism? No problem. Left-wing nutjob with Socialist agenda? Who cares? If it bothered me enough, I'd just find a different place to get software. Sheesh.

Wtf? He has the right to express his opinion and I am whining?
I said from the very beginning that he has every right to say what he said. I have every right to comment and I certainly don't need your precious permission to do so.

You claim to be a teacher yet you're incapable of having an argument without making it personal? I pity your poor students.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I wanna know where such rules and guidelines for such things are written down at.

Business all over my town do whatever they want in their buildings regardless of them making money.

Web pages are no different.

A business that doesn't make money is called a hobby.

[RAILhead]

I do whatever the living crap I want to do on my site and I make plenty of money from it. Why can I?

BECAUSE IT'S MY SITE.

Don't like it? Leave.

Period.

End of story.

Get over it, people.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Wtf? He has the right to express his opinion and I am whining?
I said from the very beginning that he has every right to say what he said. I have every right to comment and I certainly don't need your precious permission to do so.

You claim to be a teacher yet you're incapable of having an argument without making it personal? I pity your poor students.

Still doesn't stop you from coming in here, waving your arms around, and screaming, "the sky is falling". I suppose you all need more drama than most. Lighten up, or go somewhere else for software.

Nice jab (looks like you're the one trying to make it personal). No, I treat my "kids" much differently, same with everyone else in RL. This place is strictly for entertainment, and I tend to take a harder edge on subjects... so does just about everyone else. I can't imagine that we all truly act like our online personas, we'd likely be murdered.

[Rolling Bones]

5 pages of baloney.